Mini 1206: Death at a Funeral Mafia(Killed)

[drmyshottyizsik]

Grrrrrr you guys need a vote count. It shall be done in a hour or so.

[kiwieagle]

Timeater is scum. Every post he makes convinces me more and more.
"I'm going to interact with everyone that doesn't think I'm scum to keep them on my good sid

e, but ignore all the people calling out my scum-fail-astic plays!"

Kiwi, you obviously aren't reading what I said at all. It's scummy that Timeater trusted you so much. It would seem senseless for you to be lying, personally. But there's always a chance that you had mis interpreted your role. Or maybe you could have been planning to call it a mistake like that leaving day one empty handed except a dead innocent. The fact is, it was both a stupid and a scummy move to jeopardize our day one based on testing a fact that could have just as easily been tested at the end of the day, when a real lynch candidate exists.

Throwing himself under the wheel just made him look even more suspicious, because that means he obviously already figured nothing was going to go wrong. It seems to me, like someone with more information. And if you had read at all, you'd see that I gave both the possibility that Time is scum with you, or without you. It wasn't even attempting to attack you, just to point out that regardless of what you are, Timeater is scum. I said right after that, that it seems much more likely that he is scum without you, not with you.

why do you deflect those that call you scum?

Alright Nacho, I will take your post to mean that you are

likely dumbtown.

I have phrased it multiple ways, but peregrine just did a really good job of making it simple.

Waiting til the end of the day does not mean until the deadline is just about there, it means waiting until we have a candidate that seems worth testing it out on. GB also already made the argument that it is just town cred that didn't really involve any work, because it could have been tested later, at a safer time. That argument is regardless of who the lynch candidate actually was.. whether time or toon... because time as scum, knowing that kiwi is lying is much more likely than time as scum taking a risk that could lynch an innocent player, which is at the very least anti-town in itself.

Meanwhile, this talk on the rule set is certainly very interesting... Why try arguing with the mod to kill off players? I have mixed feelings about whether scum would do that so blatently, but I'm leaning towards no.

This post was written with things coming in: Welcome new players! I'm also excited to hear from some new sources... though I must say, I'm rather enjoying this town ^^

Why do you discredit other players?

I intend to read through the game one more time before placing a vote. I haven't had the time today.. Either today or tomorrow this will happen. Bit of a busy week getting ready to leave on vacation.. I will still be able to post when I leave on the 7th, but just a bit of heads up that I won't always be available, from the 7th.

Anyways, I'm mixed on what to think about the GB/Tazaro situation. GB was absolutely top of my list for town/protown roles yesterday, because we shared the same logic in why Timeater must have been scum. I'm very inclined to believe that he is telling the truth there, because it shows all the more reason why he was sure in that direction.. it all fits together.

As for Tazaro, nothing in his play particularly stood out as scummy, that I can remember.. thus why I want to read again before deciding anything. What does stick in my head at the moment, is given the crazy flavor of roles this game seems to have, it just seems so bloody unlikely that there would be only one killing team. Would everyone have honestly attacked specifically Tazaro? Personally that seems really unlikely to me. I guess there is the possibility of roleblockers/doctors interfering as well... but considering what the jailkeeper role does, it does stick in my head that it's a bit more likely that Tazaro may have a killing type role.

As for Kiwi... what? Care to explain your vote?

So those that agree with your reads (even though they are wrong [when you called timeater scum]) are obvtown, and those that even have the slightest notion of you being scum are "ignored and dumbtown"?

[Medicated Lain]

Kiwi:

why do you deflect those that call you scum?

What do you mean by this question? I really thought that Time was scum, and he would not respond to anything I was saying, nor any of the other accusations against him. Personally, I find not defending yourself to be one of the scummiest things a player can do. When something is thrown in your face, I think as town, we inherently know what we were thinking, and have no trouble saying or defending that. Where as a player who is scum, is more likely to feel backed into a corner and not know how to respond. That's one of the reasons my vote isn't changing on you right now.

Why do you discredit other players?

I won't deny that maybe it was a mean thing to say, and I'm sorry Nacho, I had no intention of really being mean, maybe I was just in a bad mood or something. What I meant by saying that, is that there's no way I could see any scum person defending Time at that point, when Time was so close to death. Because if Time had been scum, and Nacho scum with him, then there's no way that Nacho would have been pushing away from the Time vote that late, since all suspicion would move to Nacho (them, ne?) the next day. And likewise, if Nacho were scum, but Time weren't then I suspect Nacho would have been thrilled to at least push the wagon further. So basically, I felt that while I couldn't really understand Nacho's logic, I felt like it definitely wasn't scum based.

So those that agree with your reads (even though they are wrong [when you called timeater scum]) are obvtown, and those that even have the slightest notion of you being scum are "ignored and dumbtown"?

I don't know what you mean by this either. I asked you why you were voting me, as in if you had anything more than gut to go on. Which you completely ignored, until my next post, which was completely calling you on scummy plays, which you have done very little to respond to. What I'm seeing more and more with you, is a lack of motive to look elsewhere. This is another reason why my vote on you isn't changing. If you're not scum Kiwi, then tell me who is? After two incredibly eventful days, all you are giving the town is a gut feeling.

[jasonT1981]

Is taz being voted entirely for the fact that he was roleblocked last night?

unvote
vote: Taz

I am voting him because he has been a scum suspect since yesterday for me.

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE

I wonder which person on my bandwagon would make the most sense as a vote target of me.

[jasonT1981]

the one you feel is scum would be your best option, Taz

[Tazaro]

I am going to go with

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Tazaro]

Is taz being voted entirely for the fact that he was roleblocked last night?

unvote
vote: Taz

I am voting him because he has been a scum suspect since yesterday for me.

Why did you quote this post of Gandalf in connection with writing was you wrote here.

[Tazaro]

^^What's up with me sometimes putting a period at the end of a question?

[Tazaro]

If you guys want to grill me, I may be back around 3:30 or 3:45 my time.

[kiwieagle]

Kiwi:

why do you deflect those that call you scum?

What do you mean by this question? I really thought that Time was scum, and he would not respond to anything I was saying, nor any of the other accusations against him. Personally, I find not defending yourself to be one of the scummiest things a player can do. When something is thrown in your face, I think as town, we inherently know what we were thinking, and have no trouble saying or defending that. Where as a player who is scum, is more likely to feel backed into a corner and not know how to respond. That's one of the reasons my vote isn't changing on you right now.

Why do you discredit other players?

I won't deny that maybe it was a mean thing to say, and I'm sorry Nacho, I had no intention of really being mean, maybe I was just in a bad mood or something. What I meant by saying that, is that there's no way I could see any scum person defending Time at that point, when Time was so close to death. Because if Time had been scum, and Nacho scum with him, then there's no way that Nacho would have been pushing away from the Time vote that late, since all suspicion would move to Nacho (them, ne?) the next day. And likewise, if Nacho were scum, but Time weren't then I suspect Nacho would have been thrilled to at least push the wagon further. So basically, I felt that while I couldn't really understand Nacho's logic, I felt like it definitely wasn't scum based.

So those that agree with your reads (even though they are wrong [when you called timeater scum]) are obvtown, and those that even have the slightest notion of you being scum are "ignored and dumbtown"?

I don't know what you mean by this either. I asked you why you were voting me, as in if you had anything more than gut to go on. Which you completely ignored, until my next post, which was completely calling you on scummy plays, which you have done very little to respond to. What I'm seeing more and more with you, is a lack of motive to look elsewhere. This is another reason why my vote on you isn't changing. If you're not scum Kiwi, then tell me who is? After two incredibly eventful days, all you are giving the town is a gut feeling.

I bolded the parts.

[kiwieagle]

(the parts which I refered to with my questions)

[kiwieagle]

Timeater is scum. Every post he makes convinces me more and more.
"I'm going to interact with everyone that doesn't think I'm scum to keep them on my good sid

e, but ignore all the people calling out my scum-fail-astic plays!"

Kiwi, you obviously aren't reading what I said at all. It's scummy that Timeater trusted you so much. It would seem senseless for you to be lying, personally. But there's always a chance that you had mis interpreted your role. Or maybe you could have been planning to call it a mistake like that leaving day one empty handed except a dead innocent. The fact is, it was both a stupid and a scummy move to jeopardize our day one based on testing a fact that could have just as easily been tested at the end of the day, when a real lynch candidate exists.

Throwing himself under the wheel just made him look even more suspicious, because that means he obviously already figured nothing was going to go wrong. It seems to me, like someone with more information. And if you had read at all, you'd see that I gave both the possibility that Time is scum with you, or without you. It wasn't even attempting to attack you, just to point out that regardless of what you are, Timeater is scum. I said right after that, that it seems much more likely that he is scum without you, not with you.

why do you deflect those that call you scum?

If you dont understand this:
Look at the bolded part: "but ignore all the people calling out my scum-fail-astic plays"
If someone even had a slightest notion of you being scum they would be "ignored". (deflection)

Alright Nacho, I will take your post to mean that you are

likely dumbtown.

I have phrased it multiple ways, but peregrine just did a really good job of making it simple.

Waiting til the end of the day does not mean until the deadline is just about there, it means waiting until we have a candidate that seems worth testing it out on. GB also already made the argument that it is just town cred that didn't really involve any work, because it could have been tested later, at a safer time. That argument is regardless of who the lynch candidate actually was.. whether time or toon... because time as scum, knowing that kiwi is lying is much more likely than time as scum taking a risk that could lynch an innocent player, which is at the very least anti-town in itself.

Meanwhile, this talk on the rule set is certainly very interesting... Why try arguing with the mod to kill off players? I have mixed feelings about whether scum would do that so blatently, but I'm leaning towards no.

This post was written with things coming in: Welcome new players! I'm also excited to hear from some new sources... though I must say, I'm rather enjoying this town ^^

Why do you discredit other players?

I intend to read through the game one more time before placing a vote. I haven't had the time today.. Either today or tomorrow this will happen. Bit of a busy week getting ready to leave on vacation.. I will still be able to post when I leave on the 7th, but just a bit of heads up that I won't always be available, from the 7th.

Anyways, I'm mixed on what to think about the GB/Tazaro situation.

GB was absolutely top of my list for town/protown roles yesterday, because we shared the same logic in why Timeater must have been scum.

I'm very inclined to believe that he is telling the truth there, because it shows all the more reason why he was sure in that direction.. it all fits together.

As for Tazaro, nothing in his play particularly stood out as scummy, that I can remember.. thus why I want to read again before deciding anything. What does stick in my head at the moment, is given the crazy flavor of roles this game seems to have, it just seems so bloody unlikely that there would be only one killing team. Would everyone have honestly attacked specifically Tazaro? Personally that seems really unlikely to me. I guess there is the possibility of roleblockers/doctors interfering as well... but considering what the jailkeeper role does, it does stick in my head that it's a bit more likely that Tazaro may have a killing type role.

As for Kiwi... what? Care to explain your vote?

So those that agree with your reads (even though they are wrong [when you called timeater scum]) are obvtown, and those that even have the slightest notion of you being scum are "ignored and dumbtown"?

Bolded the part.

[PeregrineV]

Is taz being voted entirely for the fact that he was roleblocked last night?

Actually, I've voting him for bringing up mafia no-killing before gbevilchoas had even announced that he had roleblocked Taz.

There are many reasons why a No-kill could have occurred, and Taz pre-defending sounds to me like he was trying to formulate excuses before his jailkeeping was even announced.

[jasonT1981]

Is taz being voted entirely for the fact that he was roleblocked last night?

unvote
vote: Taz

I am voting him because he has been a scum suspect since yesterday for me.

Why did you quote this post of Gandalf in connection with writing was you wrote here.

To show I had reasons other than what he was asking.

[Tazaro]

Is taz being voted entirely for the fact that he was roleblocked last night?

Actually, I've voting him for bringing up mafia no-killing before gbevilchoas had even announced that he had roleblocked Taz.

There are many reasons why a No-kill could have occurred, and Taz pre-defending sounds to me like he was trying to formulate excuses before his jailkeeping was even announced.

I'm the guy the brought the fact that both gbevilchaos, and the roleblock target that would be assumed from a no-kill, could be town. This was an important thing to note because of mislynches, and it's not a crime that I thought of it before the possiblity actually surfaced.

[Tazaro]

Is taz being voted entirely for the fact that he was roleblocked last night?

Actually, I've voting him for bringing up mafia no-killing before gbevilchoas had even announced that he had roleblocked Taz.

There are many reasons why a No-kill could have occurred, and Taz pre-defending sounds to me like he was trying to formulate excuses before his jailkeeping was even announced.

I'm the guy who brought the fact that gbevilchaos, and the roleblock target that would be assumed from a no-kill, both could be town. This was an important thing to note because of mislynches, and it's not a crime that I thought of it before the possiblity actually surfaced.

[Tazaro]

Is taz being voted entirely for the fact that he was roleblocked last night?

Actually, I've voting him for bringing up mafia no-killing before gbevilchoas had even announced that he had roleblocked Taz.

There are many reasons why a No-kill could have occurred, and Taz pre-defending sounds to me like he was trying to formulate excuses before his jailkeeping was even announced.

I'm the guy who brought

[up]

the fact that gbevilchaos, and the roleblock target that would be assumed from a no-kill, both could be town. This was an important thing to note because of mislynches, and it's not a crime that I thought of it before the possiblity actually surfaced.

Here is the final draft. Distraction might have caused me to blunder.

[PeregrineV]

Is taz being voted entirely for the fact that he was roleblocked last night?

Actually, I've voting him for bringing up mafia no-killing before gbevilchoas had even announced that he had roleblocked Taz.

There are many reasons why a No-kill could have occurred, and Taz pre-defending sounds to me like he was trying to formulate excuses before his jailkeeping was even announced.

I'm the guy who brought

[up]

the fact that gbevilchaos, and the roleblock target that would be assumed from a no-kill, both could be town. This was an important thing to note because of mislynches, and it's not a crime that I thought of it before the possiblity actually surfaced.

Here is the final draft. Distraction might have caused me to blunder.

So, mafia huddled in thier cave, and said
Goon1: "Hey, let's not kill anyone tonight."
Goon2: "Yeah, and they'll think their pet jailkeeper blocked the NK!"
Voice of Reason: "Why would they think that? There's many things that could stop the night kill."
Goon1: "No, it's perfect, you see. Two mislynches in a row!"
Goon2: "Yeah! Go scum!"
Voice of Reason: "Well, gbevilchaos is already the lynch target because Time flipped town. And we don't know who he'll target tonight. He could target one of us anyway.
We can leave him alive for WIFOM for now, but we need to kill somebody."
Goon1: "No, no killing tonight!!"
Goon2: "Yeah, no killing tonight! Go Scum!!"

So, by your own logic Taz, you can still be scum.

And of course it could be a big bussing thing, but I'm giving gbevil the benefit of the doubt right now.

[Tazaro]

Then would it be more logical to assume that perhaps I was the target of a nightkill, but was protected?

[Tazaro]

More logical to assume that in YOUR mind, Peregrine?

[PeregrineV]

Then would it be more logical to assume that perhaps I was the target of a nightkill, but was protected?

Maybe, would it?

The schemiest thing that could have happened is if there was a no-kill to make us think that gbevil saved a person by jailkeeping ...

[PeregrineV]

More logical to assume that in YOUR mind, Peregrine?

Logically, it could have been any number of things. Doc protection, bulletproof, RB, JK. Almost the very last possible thing I would think would be a No Kill on the part of the mafia.

[Medicated Lain]

Timeater is scum. Every post he makes convinces me more and more.
"I'm going to interact with everyone that doesn't think I'm scum to keep them on my good side, but ignore all the people calling out my scum-fail-astic plays!"

There's a reason that I included " " quotes there. I'm not talking about myself, I'm paraphrasing Timeater's plays in my views.

I've already answered the next.

Lastly, if you really want more answer there... It makes sense that some one of the same alignment is thinking more along the same thoughts. But also, we have a lot more information on GB than JUST the thoughts. I know you'll be telling me about your priest ability after this, but the fact that GB claimed jailkeeper is huge. There's no way I would expect scum to do such a thing there, unless they were heavily experienced. So I have a hard time viewing a possibility of GB being scum for that... not just the content of the post.

Do you believe I'm scum for those reasons?

[gandalf5166]

Is taz being voted entirely for the fact that he was roleblocked last night?

Actually, I've voting him for bringing up mafia no-killing before gbevilchoas had even announced that he had roleblocked Taz.

There are many reasons why a No-kill could have occurred, and Taz pre-defending sounds to me like he was trying to formulate excuses before his jailkeeping was even announced.

This is a good point. Had you said that before?

Unvote
VOTE: Taz