Execution Mafia: Days of the Cold War GAMEOVER

[jasonT1981]

zang if you have time to write quote walls you have time to make a reads list and put a few bullet points in there

Funny, I have yet to see you give full reads either, only who has reads on who, and a 2man list for scum. What are your reasonings for them as scum, what are your reasonings for thinking others are town? GO!

[SleepyKrew]

*yawn* Zang, didn't I ask you some questions you never answered?

[havingfitz]

I want to believe CC's claim as it would be stupid to claim a doublevote ability for day votes that would be easily confirmed. However, the additional power role that can be met under certain circumstances seems a bit sketchy. Also, the town leader in the last game doesn't appear to have multiple PRs and CC's last post was a bit defeatist. If I had to bet i would say CC is what he says he is but the rest of his posts sure put enough doubt on his claim.

It's good that you gave your opinion on his claim, but do you plan on giving your opinion on anything else that happened previously in the game.

I was a bit behind in my post-v/LA catch up from last week so I've been focusing more on what is currently taking place. Iirc several people don't have enough posting yet to really have an opinion on them. Cod did seem scummy to me, Quil not so much though I need to read him again, CC would be scummy to me if not for his claim, and I have my doubts about SK. Everyone else is a null ATT.

I have an "item" in my possession. I'm allowed to give it to someone if I want each night. If someone gets all the items, something will happen. I don't know what that something is, but I think it will be good.

I would love for everyone to give me theirs, but seeing as I will possibly die tonight, I'm not sure if that's such a good idea.
Maybe all who have these items should be claiming and we should plan someone to pass on these items to, and see what happens

Didn't you just say that you wouldn't claim this? Also, why are you trying to get others to claim? That would make them a big target for the mafia.

Misquote

...the quote above is not from me Zang.

We can confirm him as a DV. How does that confirm him as town?

I've never played in a game where scum had a double vote during the day (or night prior for that matter prior to this game), have you?

There's a first time for everything besides isn't this a bastard game?

I understand and am open to that being a possibility despite the fact that would be pretty crappy for mafia to have a DV during the day as well. My point was it seemed like SK was contradicting himself.

Because you didn't seem to think so here.

I don't see what that has to do with him thinking that scum have two votes in the day.

It looked to me like at one point SK was inferring scum could have a DV during the day and then was saying scum "Don't have two dayvotes." IMO that is a contradiction and I was pointing it out. If someone is able to prove they have a day DV and you think they could still be scum...that means you think scum could have a day DV. Then to follow that up and say scum don't have two dayvotes shows inconsistency.

how does SK know what scum does/does not have? Am i missing something?

The mod said that scum hav a double night vote.

Yes...but the mod doesn't say anything about scum (or town) having DV's during the day.

but if CC can show he has DV ability doesn't that prove his claim and suggest he is town since mafia would surely not have DV during the day AND night

But what if on scum is given a day doublevote as their role? Then he could just claim town doublevoter who has two votes in the day and night because

although his role

only gives him two day votes

because he is mafia, he also gets two night votes.

The bolded part seems to not fit in with the rest of the italicized part. Could you clarify? Also, I guess whether or not we are going to let CC continue to live in this game based on his DV claim is going to depend on whether or not we think the possibility exists of scum having a day DV. I'm inclined to think they (scum) don't based on the games I have played in. This game could be different but I'm not sure how we will ever know other than by executing/nightkilling CC.

SK says "But scum don't have two Dayvotes."
HF thinks---WTF? So if scum don't have two DVs then that should mean if CC proves his day DV he is thereby confirmed town. Yes?

I think what he meant was that scum as a whole don't have two dayvotes but an individual scum could still have a doublevoter role.

Huh? Scum as a whole should have at a minimum one vote per scum during the day which "as a whole" should equal 2 or 3 votes (assuming 2 or 3 scum in the game). So the "as a whole scum don't have two [or 3] dayvotes" does not make sense.

[SleepyKrew]

Seriously having, stfu, you're arguing semantics.

[havingfitz]

Seriously having, stfu, you're arguing semantics.

This from the guy who thought "last night" was a scumslip. Stop ignoring my points/questions towards you and I'll stop arguing

semantics

your inconsistencies.

[SleepyKrew]

Did you notice the ridiculous all caps and punctuation? = not really serious just a buzzword to mess with MoI

[MagnaofIllusion]

zang if you have time to write quote walls you have time to make a reads list and put a few bullet points in there

Zang writing in Wall form that you don’t like doesn’t mean he has to change.

Top three suspects (one of which I assume is Cod) – GO!

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No. I don't think it's anti-town, either.

You don’t think Appeals to Fear are Anti-Town? Really?

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I was a bit behind in my post-v/LA catch up from last week so I've been focusing more on what is currently taking place. Iirc several people don't have enough posting yet to really have an opinion on them. Cod did seem scummy to me, Quil not so much though I need to read him again, CC would be scummy to me if not for his claim, and I have my doubts about SK. Everyone else is a null ATT.

So the summary of your reads is –

Cod not scummy (not sure if this is Town or Null)
Quil is something, not sure what
CC would be scummy expect for his claim
SK is scummy (assuming that's what HAVE MY DOUBTS means)?
Everyone else is a Null

So 0-1 Town reads (maybe Cod maybe not)
1 scum read in SK
Pretty much Null on everyone else?

I understand and am open to that being a possibility despite the fact that would be pretty crappy for mafia to have a DV during the day as well. My point was it seemed like SK was contradicting himself.

While a double-vote for scum during the day does suck (see Secret Invasion Mafia) the set-up and day requirements mean it is far less damaging outside of LYLO. Because scum can’t ‘quickhammer’ and kill a Town … they’d have to elect one of their own who still be assessed for their choices.

[havingfitz]

Did you notice the ridiculous all caps and punctuation? = not really serious just a buzzword to mess with MoI

If it was "not really serious" and just a "buzzword" to mess with MoI...WTF did you ask in a subsequent post what I meant when I said "

last

night?"

You are full of shit. I don't feel like I've gotten one straight response from you yet. It's not that difficult. Zang tried to answer for you on a few points and for the most part made perfect sense. Also...are we not to believe anything you say in all caps? FFS.

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I was a bit behind in my post-v/LA catch up from last week so I've been focusing more on what is currently taking place. Iirc several people don't have enough posting yet to really have an opinion on them. Cod did seem scummy to me, Quil not so much though I need to read him again, CC would be scummy to me if not for his claim, and I have my doubts about SK. Everyone else is a null ATT.

So the summary of your reads is –

Cod not scummy (not sure if this is Town or Null)
Quil is something, not sure what
CC would be scummy expect for his claim
SK is scummy (assuming that's what HAVE MY DOUBTS means)?
Everyone else is a Null

So 0-1 Town reads (maybe Cod maybe not)
1 scum read in SK
Pretty much Null on everyone else?

No...I found Cod to be scummy as I read through the game. IE I'm fine with him being vezok's day execution. Quil I was leaning town towards but need to look back over based on all the negative attention some are placing on him....to see if I agree or not. Correcct...CC I would find suspicious and support for a NK if not for his claim. Yes...I am suspicious of SK. I've found him to be overly aggressive and trying to drum up cases on people when it was not warranted (ex. my "SCUMSLIP"). No one else is standing out to me at the moment. I have one or two people I think are town but I don't make a habit of giving my town reads so I just lumped everyone not mentioned as null (this includes people I actually do find null and the one or two town reads I might have ATM).

I understand and am open to that being a possibility despite the fact that would be pretty crappy for mafia to have a DV during the day as well. My point was it seemed like SK was contradicting himself.

While a double-vote for scum during the day does suck (see Secret Invasion Mafia) the set-up and day requirements mean it is far less damaging outside of LYLO. Because scum can’t ‘quickhammer’ and kill a Town … they’d have to elect one of their own who still be assessed for their choices.

Agreed and copy. But in regards to CC's claim...we have to decide in our own minds whether we are inclined to think scum has a DV during the day or not. If we think it is more likely they don't...then CC can be confirmed as town. If we think there is a chance scum have a day DV, then CC's claim is worthless as it can't be proved. Unless there is some way of determining whether scum does in fact have a DV during the day I am inclined to believe they don't. Though I do agree that if there was going to be a set up allowing a scum DV during the day, this set up would be the least detrimental to town. So I would say my lean towards it being able to confirm town is very slight.

[implosion]

You don’t think Appeals to Fear are Anti-Town? Really?

No. I wouldn't consider really anything like that as antitown based on how I define antitown (something that harms the town). Appeals to fear are a logical fallacy; in some circumstances (I don't think this is one of them) they would be scummy; but I don't think that they inherently harm the town.

[Tragedy]

Hey guys, I'm going to be reading.

Reads are going to be up before Sunday.

[Tragedy]

Captain Corporal

ISO #8 : You telling us that you're a Town PR, but how do WE know you're actually a Doublevoter, Can you prove it to us with your double-shitton-voting-powers? You hadn't even voted yet, but you're claiming that. I find you pretty suspicious for claiming as the Leader yet you're not using your powers (Wisely).
ISO #20 : Then again, if you're confirmed town, why didn't you use your voting powers?
ISO #26 : Don't try to speculate the setups when there's obviously Heretic Witches and Vanilla Townies around. Stop trying it, you're just making yourself look like an idiot doing so. How would we know if there's a Roleblocker (Unless there's one)... Arrrgghh.
ISO #33 : I don't freaking care about your Breadcrumbs (It was complicated anyways), but you should have at least tested it for everyone to see (On someone who ain't going to be voted to be the Executioner), so we can actually prove something from your powers.

This guy's scummy for not really contributing anything in the game...
And I'd like some explanation on why Vezok and Cod are scum while SK and Quilford are potentionally town.

[Tragedy]

CODFISH

ISO #2 : What makes you think Vezok is a VI Townie? VIs can be Town or scum...
ISO #4 : What makes you believe that Vezok shouldn't be elected? Why do you think he's scummy? Why do you think Quilford is scummy?
ISO #13 : How is it even possible that Vezok + Codfish Scum = Quil Scum?

...You're more focused on Quilford/Vezok (As scum) and yet, you provide no explanations on why Vezok is scum (Quilly is a Buddy Buddy Guy, I sorta understand).
This guy's More null, weakly town. I just don't like the fact that Codfish didn't argue/talk much against/about anyone else other than SK.

[Tragedy]

FITZ

(Hey man! Wassup?)

ISO #1 : What makes you believe that Quilford is town, but shouldn't be elected as Executioner? I'm confused.
ISO #3 : Just voting for vezok because he would let the town (maybe scum) guide him towards executing people.

(We should ALL remember that Being the one whose executioner has to follow what the town got to say is something basic and should always be done, apparently.)

I don't like why you voted Vezok for this, Fitz. Is this like showing Vezok is town for doing this? Well, it's a very bad reason to do so.
ISO #5 : You're following along with everyone to vote on who should be the executioner during the Night. Isn't this just like following the leader of some sort? You haven't brought out any reads yet.
ISO #8 : What makes YOU think MOI should be elected as Night Executioner, other than Meta and previous games with him?
ISO #14 : Sort of like this post from Fitz.
ISO #21 : What made you believe Codfish was scum?

Fitz is mostly questioning people, and keeps saying "X is town/scum" while providing no infos or reasons for believing so. And when it came to the Night Executioning, it feels like he'll just go with the flow for every single vote.

Is Vezok town or scum to you, Fitz, and WHY?

...Fitz is scummy for me.

[Zang]

zang if you have time to write quote walls you have time to make a reads list and put a few bullet points in there

I barely have the time to write the quote walls. You should also have enough time to read my posts.

As for my reads, they are pretty much the same as the first post except implosion is most likely town, Having is null leaning town and you're less scummy.

To which question are you referring to?

I'm not sure if you've answred it since the post I quoted but these were the questions:

Why didn't you ask me to explain it earlier? Why did I have to call you out?

I don't really care about the answer but I find it scummy that you refused to answer it.

I didn't say that, you got your quotes mixed up

Sorry, I think Sleepy is the one who said that.

*yawn* Zang, didn't I ask you some questions you never answered

I'm not sure but if you point out were you asked me then I'll answer them.

I think I asked you a few questions also though.

Misquote...the quote above is not from me Zang.

Sorry, I was tired last night. That quote should be from CC.

Yes...but the mod doesn't say anything about scum (or town) having DV's during the day.

That's why it would make sense for scum to have a day doublevoter.

The bolded part seems to not fit in with the rest of the italicized part. Could you clarify? Also, I guess whether or not we are going to let CC continue to live in this game based on his DV claim is going to depend on whether or not we think the possibility exists of scum having a day DV. I'm inclined to think they (scum) don't based on the games I have played in. This game could be different but I'm not sure how we will ever know other than by executing/nightkilling CC

I'm saying that a scum individual could have a day doublevoter role and because he already has a double night vote, he could claim to be a normal doublevoter. I agree that it's not likely that scum have a doublevoter but I don't think that being a doublevoter should make CC confirmed town. I also doubt this because I already had a scum read on him.

Huh? Scum as a whole should have at a minimum one vote per scum during the day which "as a whole" should equal 2 or 3 votes (assuming 2 or 3 scum in the game). So the "as a whole scum don't have two [or 3] dayvotes" does not make sense.

What I mean is that I think Sleepy was saying that each scum don't have a double day vote by default but if scum had a doublevoter role then his role would give him a double day vote.

No. I wouldn't consider really anything like that as antitown based on how I define antitown (something that harms the town). Appeals to fear are a logical fallacy; in some circumstances (I don't think this is one of them) they would be scummy; but I don't think that they inherently harm the town.

[/quote]

You're definition of anti-town makes sence but I disagree. I think this is a logic fallacy.

[SleepyKrew]

Now, a couple things for you.
Town consensus is mainly Cod. Quil also wants Cod dead. So what's wrong with electing Quil? If he kills someone other than Cod, then LaL his ass.
Also, you're fine with electing Magna at night, even though according to you he doesn't want to be elected? And you want the executioner to listen to town consensus, when Magna doesn't want to? BUZZWORD

You ever answer these?

[Zang]

I would rather elect someone I trust than Quilford. The night executioner wouldn't have to listen to town consensus. That's why I want magna to be the night executioner rather than the day executioner.

[SleepyKrew]

Town consensus is mainly Cod. Quil also wants Cod dead. So what's wrong with electing Quil? If he kills someone other than Cod, then LaL his ass.

[Zang]

Like I said, I would rather elect someone I trust before I elect him. If vezok was not elected as executioner than I would have voted for him.

[vezokpiraka]

I see a lot of nothing.

Do we need anything or can I execute cod and go through night and vote MoI?

[IceGuy]

To which question are you referring to?

I'm not sure if you've answred it since the post I quoted but these were the questions:

Why didn't you ask me to explain it earlier? Why did I have to call you out?

I don't really care about the answer but I find it scummy that you refused to answer it.

Read the dialog for yourself, I think it will explain why I didn't answer: #294 (my case), #300, #303, #304, #305, #319, #332, #333.

[havingfitz]

Do we need anything or can I execute cod and go through night and vote MoI?

Do we know who everyone is going to be placing their NV's on?

Perhaps it would be a good recap if everyone named who they will be NVing in their next post.

My NV is going to

MoI.

Also, hi Tragedy. I'll respond to your post later

[SleepyKrew]

having is sooo farrr behinnnnd.

[havingfitz]

having is sooo farrr behinnnnd.

I would dayvig you if I had the ability. You've been pretty much worthless in this game IMO. Were you ever planning on answering my last series of questions directed to you?

Since I am sooo farrr behinnnnd, why don't you list what everyone's nightvotes going to be so vezok can get on with his business.

[Tragedy]

ICEGUY

ISO #1 : Basically, his reads on people looks more like they're stripped from every other person's thoughts towards other, making it sound pretty unoriginal himself. I still don't exactly understand how Quilford is even town with his "Honesty", it makes him look like scum trying too hard with Caps to look town.

Most/Majority of his posts are mostly answering questions, which looks by far townie. I don't really think he's actually scumhunting, to be honest, because there's mostly answering questions towards SK and people...

He's more of a Null read.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I would dayvig you if I had the ability. You've been pretty much worthless in this game IMO.

So you would Dayvig someone for being 'useless' and basically annoying you?