Toy Story Mafia (Day 9)

[Umbrage]

Maybe if I sheep enough, people will forget how scummy kendall was!

No.

[inHimshallibe]

Maybe if I sheep enough, people will forget how scummy kendall was!

No.

teehee.


I won't say I'm not sheeping.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, I am disinclined to acquiesce with your request to let FA in our bloc.

Faith.

Or at least once the fires have purged things some if there's still contention we can revisit this in our drinking meetings.

[Ray Montano]

@ Ray ... I feel similar to you with going back and forth with where I stand on Glowball. Although I feel that she's making a good point, I guess I'm just hesitant to agree with her. How do you feel about her wanting to flake out of the game because she can't get her way?

I think its really obnoxious and makes me feel less confident in her and her abilities but I don't really think its a tell.

2. Lots of information. More, I would definitely argue, than from Umbrage's, and we'd get a ton of information regardless of his flip. Whether town or scum, it will give us a way to look at who got on his wagon, when, how, what reason they gave, etc, to try and parse who is scum and who isn't. Because make no mistake - I honestly think DJ is scum, but I also honestly think that there are scum on this wagon. And any information regarding his alignment helps us determine who's who.

Do you not think player relations is a better way to find scum off a flip?

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count 1-15

Beefster

(1)- Bogre,

bobsnox

(0)-

Bogre

(0)-

chkflip

(0)-

diddin

(0)-

DonJosh

(10)- NanookTheWolf, SodaSpirit17, mikehart, Rainbowdash, SpyreX, jmurph3, diddin, FourseenCirumstance, chkflip, inHimshallibe,

Flavour Analysis

(1)- Beefster,

FourseenCircumstance

(0)-

glowball

(1)- Umbrage,

hiraki

(0)-

inHimshallibe

(0)-

jmurph3

(0)-

mb53

(0)-

mikehart

(0)-

NanookTheWolf

(0)-

OpposedForce

(0)-

PeregrineV

(1)- Flavour Analysis,

Rainbowdash

(0)-

Ray Montano

(2)- bobsnox, hiraki,

Silver1337

(0)-

SnakeSide

(0)-

SodaSpirit17

(0)-

SpyreX

(0)-

Umbrage (4)- Ray Montano, PeregrineV, glowball, SnakeSide,

Not Voting (4)- Silver1337, mb53, Opposed Force, DonJosh,


With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch. Deadline is August 18th at 1pm EST

PRODDED OPPOSEDFORCE AND DONJOSH

PRODDING PEREGRINE MIKEHART SILVER

[Flavour Analysis]

Beefy

:

#815
Those aren’t my current suspects. That was an example of me directing pressure towards my suspects when I had them. Current suspects are MB53, Glowball, Mikehard, and DJ. Spy is town. Rest are slight suspicions. I have. I have said that is my play. You said you admitted I do that. I have said that I believe the best questioning, is asking for reads. Yep. So please, back up your points. Yes, I am serious. That has nothing to do with activity. You know full and well that I would want you to reply when you have the time.

These points:

Post 152 - Here is why you failing to read everything is bad. I was analyzing an RVS wagon, and gave some reads. Most of the RVS wagon were nulls because they had little to no content. I explained this to you but you never replied. I then gave more reads and thoughts when voting DonJosh. I also asked you your thoughts on null reads in early d1, and you never responded. I have already explained why I voted Umbrage. If you don’t understand why, then you are ignoring my explanations and not really trying to understand why.

Post 245 – Why don’t you understand? His reasoning for voting Kendall was bad and scummy. No, my best case was on DonJosh. How is that buddying? I can’t vote everyone. I only have one vote. No, I will not stop asking. I didn’t only say “Why is this scummy” I also gave thoughts and explained my thoughts. I want to know your thought process on why you think I’m scum, and your points didn’t seem legitimate. Don’t tell me not to so your case can 'seem' better.

Yes it does matter. Again, back up your points. That’s all I want to see.

Sorry. I will consider you not being able to explain things well, but this would only mean that I would be willing to listen closely so you can demonstrate your points in a clear manner. Instead you have not been doing this. You have been ignoring my rebuttals totally, and just repeating what you originally said.

Fair enough on PeregineV.

Beefy

:

#870
Case on DJ isn’t lurking. It was his vote and reasoning for which you have disagreed with earlier on. And YES, I would lynch MB53 TODAY. Please do. Not for lurking though, although his current lack of content is worrying. I hope he has the time to post. Jmurph I’m not sold on for ToDay.

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Snakeside

:

#820
That post also had scum reads. Things such as I didn’t like, disgusting, etc, refer to scumreads or a person's scumminess. Most of that post wasn’t just reads, but it was opinions on events that have occurred in thread. I have given more reads than that.

#827
My other head didn’t just attack him FOR THAT. Nice straw manning there. There were other points to her attack, such as him not mentioning Mike the whole time he was voting him, and instead was pushing for Ray. She also pointed out that he made a list of scumpects, and hasn't even MENTIONED You or Soda. (Or Bob and Chk for that matter) She also pointed out that he said "DJ is cool" and has been asked why, and hasn't given a reason.

That was not a town tell at all, please. I have already pressured ray on voting when he wasn’t voting. She brought up him unvoting saying “But you believe she is scum, so why unvote her?” Dispite him voting Umbrage. So, he wasn’t voteless when she asked this question. I felt it was scummy from her because she was trying to push for him for ‘not believing in his read on kendall’ when he has said it was a placeholder vote, and has said that he would wait to see how the replacement would act. Glow didn’t see that, because she wasn’t worried about how Kendall’s replacement would have acted. Town would have thought of that, she didn’t.

I have explained that already. >_> Umbrage stated that Glow has forgot to mention that Hiraki also defended someone, and she also did deflect from that. Her reaction was scummy to me. I felt that she would have used that against him as scum without really thinking about what he actually said. I will explain:

@ Umbrage, why are you defending DonJosh so much? Can you give me examples of how he "reeks of town"?

Hm. You're not asking why Hiraki is defending bob? Our posts are quite close to each other. Interesting.

Classic deflection, and exactly what I thought you'd do as scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Umbrage

Here, she could have said “Well you are right, Hiraki defended Bob here but it seemed ______ and ____ [explanation to how it wasn’t a bad way of defending Bob] but you didn’t ______”
Instead, she just said AHA I KNEW YOU WOULD SAY THAT AS SCUM to vote him. That isn’t good reasoning. Instead, she could have also said “Why did you dodge my question? Also, [explanation about Hiraki defending bob]” could have been ok too. But she didn't, and only reacted that way to deflect the point Umby brought up on her. From my POV, it was a good point without reading his post and Hiraki's at that moment. Glow seeing that she forgot to mention Hiraki, would want to attack Umbrage for deflecting so that negative attention wouldn't be drawn to her. She has never mentioned Umbrage's actions of ignoring pressure or ignoring questions until that point in time. She hasn't mentioned Umbrage as a scumpick UNTIL I ASKED HER ABOUT HIM. Same with her Beck and CHkflip stances. I don't know when her DJ stance came in essentially.

I did state that I didn’t like that Umbrage initially avoided the question, and he has been ignoring pressure all game. But why would I ignore glow’s actions because of him?

What do you mean pot kettle? Please expand on that.

My reasons for my reads are not full a crap, get out of here. If you feel that way, please discuss my reads then. I do not think that is a good reason for you to vote me. Also, I have done much with my questioning. I have gotten scumreads.

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Unvote Vote: Mb53

I want MB53 lynched because he has tried to start a push for PeregineV and Spy, but hasn't ACTED on it, nor has he even kept the push up long enough for everyone to give thoughts. This seems like fake concern, and like fishing for thoughts on a person to find out if he can mispaint that person as scum. He also has asked Beefster his reasoning for finding me scummy, yet he has not followed up on his request. Again, fake concern. He specified he was wary of Spy for 'taking control of town' but hasn't really explained why he felt that was scummy from his POV. I sure hope he does explain in his catch up. It's been two days since he last posted, saying he would catch up. I said I would catch up yesterday, and I'm almost done. I hope he is.

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Rainbow

: I’m harping on MB53 because I think he is scum. It’s null scummy because he hasn’t even posted afterwards. :s In fact I want him lynched NAO. I see your push for DJ, and I approve of it. I will push for Mb now tho.

Hiraki

: Please reply to #784

FourScene

: People have asked you questions in thread, and you haven't really given much content. Please keep up.

Chkflip

: I hope to see a catch up from you man.

Jmurph

: Give me reads on MB53, Glowball, and Rainbow plz.

Soda

: Hey, you said you needed to look deeper into MB53 and Beefy. Have you done that? What is your read on them now? Thoughts on recent events?

InHim

: My posts are not dumb. So explain the wagons tell thingy.

Anyways, I always have a use for my questions. Usually a thought comes up to my head, and I ask away. Examples: I asked Beefy his reads on 5 people because he has focused on only a few people, and I found that scummy. I asked everyone about Snake, Glowball, Hiraki, and Mikehard because of either Laying low and/or being suspicious. Then, I asked a ton of people questions after the Kendall affairs because it would distract from the chaos to better discussion. (Also because I was tired of the kendall discussion, it was distracting me too)

Everyone

: Keep in mind that if Glowball seems to get REALLY frustrated, it may be staged. She

WILL

AtE to the benefit of her wincon. Do not be afraid of pushing her while she is AtE’ing.

[glowball]

Wow Flavor...really? Calling my newbie game meta? Ok.

I am frustrated right now because I am so sure but you guys want to sheep another way and it makes me want to quit or pull my hair out. I wont but I know a whole lot of you will not hear the end of it when I am proven right and I flip.

AND FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME
I
DID
NOT
SAY
THERE
ARE
TWO
TEAMS
RAINBOW
SAID
THAT
GOD PEOPLE READ!!!! I AM FIGHTING AGAINST ANY RIDICULOUS FACTION THEORIES! ITS DAY ONE THE FACTIONS ARE NOT A FACTOR. IT WASNT MY IDEA SO......MOVE PAST IT
ragerageragerageragerage

[FourseenCircumstance]

@ Beck Post #94 I would regret not joining a wagon, not joining a wagon, I don't like to be linked to bad mislynches.
Same reply goes to Nanook.
@ flavour post #450 my scum picks currently are ray montano and donjosh (lurking).
@ spyrex post 461 where do I fit into your charts?
@ soda so glad you wanted me to come back
Keep the mystery power a secret!
I'm back now let's start a rebellion!
Donjosh needs to go first, thene flavour anaysis, followed by ray, then umbage.

[Umbrage]

DONJOSH WAGON IS BAD WAGON.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE REASON THAT MAKES ME WANT TO VOTE DONJOSH.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYONE STATE A GOOD REASON TO VOTE DONJOSH.

STUPID FUCKING SHEEP.

[Flavour Analysis]

@

Glowball

: Yes, really. Sometimes you seem to exaggerate and I don't like it. For example, when you type "rageragerage" and when you type in capitals with many breaks per line... You know you don't have to be aggressive to convince others. Thus I have pointed out your behavior to seem staged. IF it isn't, then please take a chill pill, and try not to yell if not needed.

@

Fourseen

: Can you expand a bit more with your scumpicks? You have only given one word of reasoning for Donjosh, and

none

for the others.

@

PeregineV

: Read on Fourseen?

[chkflip]

On second thought, you can grill me D2 all you want. I think a different flip will heed much greater results.

Unvote;
Vote: mb53

meta reasons - his current play totally matches mbscum.

Flavour, I'm working on a catch-up post.

[Flavour Analysis]

Ok thanks, I'm glad to hear that. And I like your Mb53 vote.

[FourseenCircumstance]

Well Ray..... is scum. and DonJosh is DonJosh.

[Flavour Analysis]

What makes you think that?

And what is this "Then Flavour, then Umbrage" stuff.

[FourseenCircumstance]

you and umbrage must die. Before we can win this game.

[Flavour Analysis]

Again, what makes you think Ray and Donjosh are scum? What is your reasoning for me and Umbrage?

Also, what is your thoughts on MB53 and Glowball?

[Ray Montano]

Ummm...I would like a reason please as to why you're calling me scum Four.

[PeregrineV]

Lost the DonJosh feel for a lynch when he was at 9 votes and gave what could be his "final" reads (and did turn into what looks like final posts). As flaking scum, don't feel that he would have bothered, but maybe the last residuals of guilt made him post as flaking town. My thoughts anyway.

@FA- I'll do that one when I do my RainbowDash list.

@Glowball- you know, the mere fact that you so strongly believe it means your probably wrong. Just saying.

@Umbrage- Crap like this isn't something town would say.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3318117

Esp. as you got 2-5 votes on you. So instead of crap like that, whose scum and why? Not good lynches for the day (I really hate that statement), but who is scum and who should everyone vote for?

[FourseenCircumstance]

You Ray are scum and you know it just look at he argument that umbrage put up obvious distancing, you flavour are controlling and trying to monitor damage control and pushing the town in certain directions.

[Ray Montano]

You realize that Umbrage would have to flip scum first for your argument to be any good.

[Flavour Analysis]

Fourscene, what is wrong with pushing the town? Do you think the direction I'm pushing in is wrong?

What is your thoughts on MB53 and Glowball?

[FourseenCircumstance]

I don't believe MB53 is scum, he is playing like he is newbtown. Glowball however; I find him to be more of a third party role.

[Ray Montano]

Again, Fourseen, you realize that Umbrage would have to flip scum first for your argument to be any good. And if Umbrage and I are scum together why are you voting DJ and not either of us?

[FourseenCircumstance]

It is all in the plans.

[chkflip]

You're telling me someone who joined MafiaScum.net over a year and a half ago is newbtown?

Fourseen/mb53 connection noted.