Mini 1217 - Campaign Mafia (Game Over!)

[Twistedspoon]

FoS: Shadow Dancer

FoS: Quilford

The ones setting of my scumdar atm.

pom?
have you seen her maru-pushing Iso

even criticising hiplop's vote, the only one who voted correctly ¦[

[Johhog]

At least Pomegranate wanted to wait until everyone posted, she also wanted Maruchan to explain himself. Not more than null to me.

[Packbat]

My top suspect is Twistedspoon. Quilford's behavior makes a lot of sense from a town perspective; he might be scum, but he might be genuine. Lurconis is terrible. Johhog might be town.

[Johhog]

I think Twisted is town.

[Johhog]

Maruchan, you're dead.

[Crazy]

I deleted Maruchan's post. He and Timeater are now out of the game and cannot post anymore.

[Tovarish]

I play the same way as scum as I do as town.

Not encouraging. It doesn't help at all that you would rush in to run before you would even know your alignment. You'd think a responsible town would get together and try to figure out how the scum would go about running people long before going into the first election.

[Twistedspoon]

My top suspect is Twistedspoon. Quilford's behavior makes a lot of sense from a town perspective; he might be scum, but he might be genuine. Lurconis is terrible. Johhog might be town.

if I'm you top suspect then you should be able to say why. As top suspect you can't just leave it at that. I've explained my reads and I expect you to as well
minor-Fos: packbat

my only previous game with you is there goes the neighbourhood isn't it packbat? How do you feel your play in that game is reflective on your play in general? Should I compare you to that game? Should you compare me to that game?
one must consider these questions

the absence of timeater means VCA is half as powerful. However hiplop is probtown since I don't remember his playstyle being a bussing one
johog is still town and Tova perhaps

Quil-pom-SD-packbat is a possible scumteam. I think this may be the one from what I've seen so far. I'm far from certain though. Quil and packbat are my weakest scumreads. Pom and SD are strong

now

how do we decide the next candidate?

[Twistedspoon]

Town

Johog
Tova
Hiplop
Quilf
{pack, pom, SD}

Suspect

Luc is a wildcard. I haven't Iso'd him properly yet

[Shadow Dancer]

Why hasn't maru been quickhammered yet? Quicklynch him, it's the best strategy. Chances to hit scum even by pure chance are never as high as today due special game mechanics. Long discussion only plays into scum's hands, they have a nasty fat voting block in this game.

[Lurconis]

Look back shadow Maru was town, he is already dead.

My top scumread right now is packbat. He jumped on the Maru bandwagon early then when it got going he got off as if to distance himself. Now that we know Maru is town this seems to me like scum trying to be able to have a I'm town, see look what I did defense.

Twisted spoon i have to FOS a bit on you just for being the hammer but your posts seem relativly pro town to me. I don't know what to make of hiplop, shadow and Tovarish as all have posted so infrequently.

Quill seemed to be coming from a protown stance to me.

I do have a question for you @TwistedSpoon why do you put Tova in town when he has one post so far do you feel that is enough to put him in a def town category or is he more of a not sure?

I'm at lunch right now so will only be around about 10 more minutes but I will check in when i can sneak it at work and then again when I get home.

[Johhog]

I think the best strategy would be to choose our biggest townread to the election. Objections?

[Twistedspoon]

I think the best strategy would be to choose our biggest townread to the election. Objections?

agreed

but I also want the ones who are the best posters to not be nominated as I don't want them to leave early

therefore I do not want johog to nominate himself

I think hiplop or tova would be good candidates. I have townreads on them despite their infrequent posting

[Packbat]

My top suspect is Twistedspoon. Quilford's behavior makes a lot of sense from a town perspective; he might be scum, but he might be genuine. Lurconis is terrible. Johhog might be town.

if I'm you top suspect then you should be able to say why. As top suspect you can't just leave it at that. I've explained my reads and I expect you to as well

This isn't based on any prior game - it's my impression that you tried to distance yourself from Timeater and then changed your mind to vote for him. As you may have noticed (he said, sarcastically) I don't have all that much to go on.

Anyway: I think we should pick our strongest read - scum

or

town - for the next candidate. That will force the scum into a more difficult situation for picking an opposite.

[Twistedspoon]

Look back shadow Maru was town, he is already dead.

My top scumread right now is packbat. He jumped on the Maru bandwagon early then when it got going he got off as if to distance himself. Now that we know Maru is town this seems to me like scum trying to be able to have a I'm town, see look what I did defense.

Twisted spoon i have to FOS a bit on you just for being the hammer but your posts seem relativly pro town to me. I don't know what to make of hiplop, shadow and Tovarish as all have posted so infrequently.

Quill seemed to be coming from a protown stance to me.

I do have a question for you @TwistedSpoon why do you put Tova in town when he has one post so far do you feel that is enough to put him in a def town category or is he more of a not sure?

I'm at lunch right now so will only be around about 10 more minutes but I will check in when i can sneak it at work and then again when I get home.

I can't blame you for your Fos. had i realised i was hammering I probably wouldn't have done it. I'm not proud of my hammer at all

as for tova despite 1 post I have a strong townread on him
reasons
1) he is a late arriver. I was too and I'm town. I expect most of the late arrivers to be town as scum would know in their QT when they've nom'd someone. It's a weak reason but still valid
2) In his only post he is arguing with an exited player. He clearly didn't know manchu was gone at this point. If he were scum he'd have more info, such as manchu's alignment and the scum's plan to have timeater voted
3) Tova's only post is one of frustartion at the town candidate. This is entirely understandable from a town Point of view. Manchu, it could be argued, lost us the round. Less so from a scum one. What reasons do scum have to be frustrated at manchu's play? It's a blessing to them. Whilst the reaction could be faked I find it unlikely that it is, especially in the first post of his, and before his catchup which indicates he had little time to prepare

I hope to learn more about manchu's alignment in subsequent posts

[Twistedspoon]

Anyway: I think we should pick our strongest read - scum

or

town - for the next candidate. That will force the scum into a more difficult situation for picking an opposite.

I don't see why I'd want to pick my top town read. They're probably the ones I'd want with me as long as possible to help catch the scum

as soon as they're nominated, they'll leave after that round. best keep them for as long as possible, no?

[Twistedspoon]

you are a peculiar character packbat

[Twistedspoon]

My top suspect is Twistedspoon. Quilford's behavior makes a lot of sense from a town perspective; he might be scum, but he might be genuine. Lurconis is terrible. Johhog might be town.

if I'm you top suspect then you should be able to say why. As top suspect you can't just leave it at that. I've explained my reads and I expect you to as well

This isn't based on any prior game - it's my impression that you tried to distance yourself from Timeater and then changed your mind to vote for him.

you did the exact same

voted him and then unvoted him shortly after

Y'know, actually:

UNVOTE: Timeater

the "I'll stick my vote on him again later" would make a fine bus too. The promise of a vote on soon to be confirmed scum yet without the downside of the actual vote on him :p

so why don't you like Luc's posting packbat? you failed to give a reason for this too?

I would be fine if you were nominated, packbat. Your flip would reveal more about quilford and luc among others

[Packbat]

Anyway: I think we should pick our strongest read - scum

or

town - for the next candidate. That will force the scum into a more difficult situation for picking an opposite.

I don't see why I'd want to pick my top town read. They're probably the ones I'd want with me as long as possible to help catch the scum

as soon as they're nominated, they'll leave after that round. best keep them for as long as possible, no?

The goal is to maximize the probability that each election elects the correct player. If town's strongest read noms themself, scum will struggle to pick an opponent who can fool the town into reversing the read,

and

the read is more likely to be correct in the first place. There's only three real cases, bear in mind. First: we choose the towniest townie, and they nominate themselves - and (probably) get elected. Win. Second: we choose the scummiest scumbag, and they nominate themselves - and (probably) get defeated. Win. Third: we choose the scummiest scumbag, they

refuse

to nominate themselves, and the towniest townie nominates themself instead - and as soon as the scumbag is forced to stand for election, they lose. Win.

I don't see any flaw in it. Do you?

PEdit: I'll explain my reasoning on Lurconis in a bit - don't change the subject.

[Johhog]

The thing is, I don't really want to nominate a scummy player today, if a scum gets elected this evening we need to elect right three times in a row. Nah, I want us to nominate a town player. Preferably hiplop or Twistedspoon. Hm, hell I'm not sure of hiplop. Wouldn't Twistedspoon be a good nomination?

[Twistedspoon]

the flaw is that I don't want to lose the best scumhunters at the early stages of the game

I'm fine with forcing scum to nominate themselves though. That should be fun to see them squirm

[Twistedspoon]

Preferably hiplop or Twistedspoon. Hm, hell I'm not sure of hiplop. Wouldn't Twistedspoon be a good nomination?

not sure if everyone shares your town read on me johog

whilst I'm willing to take one for the team if you want me to, I'd prefer to be around to scumhunt for as long as possible. This is the only game I'm in right now so in terms of MS it has my undivided attention

[Twistedspoon]

Tovarish would be a fine nomination because of my reasons and because of his inactivity- a small loss

however the disadvantages are that he does only have 1 post, and we could be repeating the last round, having our nomination on the back of little info

[Johhog]

But who is the "best scumhunters" in this game according to you TS? Because to me nearly all the experienced players in this game seem to be scummy.

[Johhog]

I don't see how Tovarish is a good nomination. We can't argue that we should nominate someone because it would be "a small loss". We have to elect town now, or we're fucked.