Mini 1217 - Campaign Mafia (Game Over!)

[Twistedspoon]

ok i understand

do you want to be nominated johog?

personally, I like to gamble, but now is not the time I realise.

I feel if you were nominated we'd be even but then in the same sticky situation for the following rounds. who to nominate after you?

[Johhog]

Yeah, I'm feeling that it would be good to nominate me, but if we find any guy who is more town, choose him.

You forget one thing Twisted. Tomorrow you will have one more day to look back at, interactions, reactions etc. Maybe there will be a new obvtown by then?

I would want to nominate Twisted btw, but I'm not sure everyone would agree with that.

[Twistedspoon]

still not sure why we'd cash you in now johog

what do we think of forcing SD to nominate himself?

do we trust hiplop's vote on timeater wasn't a bus?

[Johhog]

1) Not this early of course. We wait a few days before we nominate whoever we are nominating.
2) Nope. He is scummy, but not obvscum.
3) No, I'm far from sure.

[Lurconis]

On phone so foegive errors

I can see that being a good choice. I would prefer you over tova or hiplop as he has posted enough to give a good solid town read, How many should we wait to abree before going ahead?

[Twistedspoon]

I can see that being a good choice. I would prefer you over tova or hiplop as he has posted enough to give a good solid town read, How many should we wait to abree before going ahead?

are you talking me or johog?

[Lurconis]

I can see that being a good choice. I would prefer you over tova or hiplop as he has posted enough to give a good solid town read, How many should we wait to abree before going ahead?

are you talking me or johog?

Johog would be good choice, sorry for confusion. Your actions since hammer have been more town so I would be ok witn you as well, but feel johog is more deftown at this point.

[Twistedspoon]

agreed

I just don't want to play our best card so early, but thems the ways

[Johhog]

Hopefully we'll get a new obvtown though.

Or we nominate another person. Your choice.

[Pomegranate]

pom?
have you seen her maru-pushing Iso

even criticising hiplop's vote, the only one who voted correctly ¦[

Yeah. Maru was town. But he played in a way that was anti-town, acted scummy, use a horrendous amount of AtE, and contradicted himself. He did everything scum should do then. So I think what I did made sense. (Also, I

did

say that I did not want a hammer until everyone had a chance to post, or something to that effect.)

(And hiplop voted Maru because he was

too

scummy, IIRC.)

[Quilford]

Based on Maruchan's flip, I'm leaning town on hiplop, Johhog, Lurconis and Pom and scum on Shadow Dancer and Twistedspoon.

I should be close to confirmed town for my post asking Maruchan for the timing of his Role PM, which at the time was something only a townie would know.

[Twistedspoon]

@pom: maru was scummy, that's all true, even I thought that, but other than maru pushing you didn't talk much about anyone else. (I suppose this is less of a factor in these types of games though where only 2 players can be chosen, 1 who hadn't posted)

I think hiplop's maru vote seemed a town one. Even I at first voted maru for the same reason he did. It was the 'now to check my alignment' that was the killer though

[Twistedspoon]

Based on Maruchan's flip, I'm leaning town on hiplop, Johhog, Lurconis and Pom and scum on Shadow Dancer and Twistedspoon.

this makes sense how when pom was on the maru wagon? In fact, you were too

not liking you saying that you're confirmed town either. That's for us to decide, not you

but if you think you're so swish I have no objections to your nomination myself

[Packbat]

The thing is, I don't really want to nominate a scummy player today, if a scum gets elected this evening we need to elect right three times in a row. Nah, I want us to nominate a town player. Preferably hiplop or Twistedspoon. Hm, hell I'm not sure of hiplop. Wouldn't Twistedspoon be a good nomination?

If a scummy player is nominated, and that scummy player is scum, scum must choose a

townie

to run against him. The benefits are the same: one player with known alignment and an opponent with alignment logically implied.

[Johhog]

Yeah, I suppose you're right. Still it's harder to get a good scumread this early I suppose.

[Quilford]

Based on Maruchan's flip, I'm leaning town on hiplop, Johhog, Lurconis and Pom and scum on Shadow Dancer and Twistedspoon.

this makes sense how when pom was on the maru wagon? In fact, you were too

Twisted you're smart enough to know that town can be on a mislynch

not liking you saying that you're confirmed town either. That's for us to decide, not you

See for yourself.

but if you think you're so swish I have no objections to your nomination myself

Glad to hear it.

[Quilford]

Really not thinking twisted is town.

Compare his play in Open 318, please.

[Twistedspoon]

Based on Maruchan's flip, I'm leaning town on hiplop, Johhog, Lurconis and Pom and scum on Shadow Dancer and Twistedspoon.

this makes sense how when pom was on the maru wagon? In fact, you were too

Twisted you're smart enough to know that town can be on a mislynch

I know, but I'm asking you what the difference is between these candidates

[Twistedspoon]

why don't you make a case rather than get everyone to make their own conclusions

you haven't even said why you find me scummy in this game, let alone compare it to another

those 2 game cannot be compared anyways. Whilst my playstyle is just as direct as ever the nature of this game and that one makes it like trying to compare riding a bicycle on a road and the same bike under the sea.
the vessel's the same but the conditions and technique are wildly different

[Pomegranate]

Based on Maruchan's flip, I'm leaning town on hiplop, Johhog, Lurconis and Pom and scum on Shadow Dancer and Twistedspoon.

this makes sense how when pom was on the maru wagon? In fact, you were too

Uh, being on the Maru wagon does not mean that one was scum. There mathematically had to have been town on the wagon; how do you think mislynches happen in regular games (which have a lower percentage of mafia)? Townies do make mistakes and vote (in this case against) other scummy townies, especially when said townies played like Maru. Which is to say, really really badly.

Twisted, you seem too fixated on the idea that (almost) anyone who voted Maru is scum. I'm sure there's scum there, but there are definitely townies too.

[Twistedspoon]

let me be blunt

Quilford how do you say my play in that game is different to this one? And don't say you were more transparent because that means nothing and is exactly the sort of flimsy meta accusation I would expect scum to use.

all I'm asking you to do is explain you read on me

and the reason I found you "Welp I guess I'm conftown now. lol" post so scummy is because it's exactly the sort of self-preservation that i'd expect scum to use. Town modesty is a virtue. If you hadn't come along and said yu were confirmed town then that ironcally would have made you more town. It's only scum who have to flount their townieness. You weren't even in danger of the lynch/ext at this point so I saw no reason for it, and your baseless conjecture doesn't stand well with me either

[Twistedspoon]

Twisted, you seem too fixated on the idea that (almost) anyone who voted Maru is scum. I'm sure there's scum there, but there are definitely townies too.

I'm not

I don't think Luc is scum and I know I'm not

I've given my reads beyond the wagon. It's pushing the wagon to drastic proprtions that irks me

[Pomegranate]

@Twisted--

Based on Maruchan's flip, I'm leaning town on hiplop, Johhog, Lurconis and Pom and scum on Shadow Dancer and Twistedspoon.

this makes sense how when pom was on the maru wagon?

You imply that there's no way I can possibly be town given that I was on the Maru wagon. Wut?

[Twistedspoon]

@Twisted--

Based on Maruchan's flip, I'm leaning town on hiplop, Johhog, Lurconis and Pom and scum on Shadow Dancer and Twistedspoon.

this makes sense how when pom was on the maru wagon?

You imply that there's no way I can possibly be town given that I was on the Maru wagon. Wut?

no, it's just quilford didn't explain his reads. I.e. how did he distinguish between me, SD and you

maybe I worded it badly

I believe there is at least 1 scum on the maru wagon because scum push myslynches
I also feel that maru was scummy enough to attract 3 or 4 townies to his wagon, like myself

therefore my reads formed. I have explained my reads

[Pomegranate]

I believe there is at least 1 scum on the maru wagon because scum push myslynches
I also feel that maru was scummy enough to attract 3 or 4 townies to his wagon,

like myself

Agreed. Except I dislike the bit that I bolded; it seems that it's likening yourself to Maru in a way that might garner pity.

(Maybe that's just me, but it was my initial reaction.)