Mini 1217 - Campaign Mafia (Game Over!)

[Twistedspoon]

No, I don't want Shadow Dancer nominated. Barring townflips from at least one of you (and probably more), Shadow Dancer is on my

town

list,

just because

y'all are so eager to nom him.

K, well should SD flip scum you shoot up my suspicions list.


an SD nomination is still very cool from me. very likely to be scum and much info can be gleamed from his flip

[Johhog]

But can't we get even more info from a town flip on me?

[Twistedspoon]

Is there any opposition to me nominating myself tomorrow, considering I should be basically confirmed town?

PEdit: Doesn't mean you were refreshing the wiki every 40 minutes?

If he flips scum no problem if he flips town, all of us who quick voted him, myself included, are scum sus and we should discuss it I feel. That is just my gut reaction anyway.

This is the first point where I began to feel oddly about Lurconis - in part because this feels like laying the groundwork for the unfavorable flip.

what's not to read it as him considering all eventualities?

[Twistedspoon]

But can't we get even more info from a town flip on me?

probably, but packbat and quil don't exactly see you as town right now, sadly :/

[Johhog]

Nah, but they're just two.

And in worst case I get lynched, but then it should hopefully be pretty clear who the scum is.

[Twistedspoon]

Packbat should agree to an SD nomination just to prove his theory

Spoiler: theory rant

the reason this game is flawed is that with only 1 townie above scum, you need all townies to trust your judgements to get a majority for any decision. If any one townie doesn't have a town read on any 1 other townie then they're powerless as they need 100% of townie followings, unlike in conventional mafia where scum have a much smaller % of control. the advantage of 1 extra townie is nothing to scum's advantage of choosing nominations and knowiing who's on their side, as well as always having a near majority

it's also suicide to hazard a guess at a scumteam in a game like this since scum are nearly 50% of the players and can easily oppose you

[Twistedspoon]

packbat, I would very much like you to nominate yourself

[Johhog]

Packbat should agree to an SD nomination

packbat, I would very much like you to nominate yourself

Whaaaaaat?

I'd still want to nominate myself.

[Twistedspoon]

I'd still want to nominate myself.

we have at least 2 players who would vote you scum

until a flip from ether one, I don't think that's particularly sensible

[Shadow Dancer]

Hard to realize that there are more than 3 to 5 players i this game... Whatever.

Quicklyncing Maru was the only correct play for town, don't try to second guess that based on his flip.

If you really want to nominate players I hope you are wise enough to realize that nominating town reads is the way to go. I won't support any other course and I will certainly refuse to nominate myself at this point in time. If you are clever you wait for scum to nominate me. End of discussion.

And don't expect me to give you any reads on players other than actual candidates. You will see where my vote goes soon enough.

[Twistedspoon]

^I don't see why you're refusing to give townreads

we need townreads to know who we should nominate,as you yourself say

[Johhog]

I'd still want to nominate myself.

we have at least 2 players who would vote you scum

until a flip from ether one, I don't think that's particularly sensible

Let it be so then, this may be the last Day before LyLo.

[Shadow Dancer]

No, all we will do is tell scum whom

they

should nominate. They are overhelming in numbers, thaey have the second pick and they can beat any town strategy.

So I won't discuss non-nominated players. And I won't nominate players to volunteer because that would require me to give my reads.

I trust no one. It's the only winning strategy. The sooner you realize this the better.

[Johhog]

^makes sense. I suppose he isn't obvscum any more, but he is still a scumread of mine.

I change my nomination vote to myself.

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh, I forgot to mention that I caught up by now.

[hiplop]

damn son, this game moves really fast while I sleep.

I want quilford to nominate himself, but I don' think hes scum! Just slightly irritating me

TS is town

I'm town

Packbat is town

Johhog is Null-prob town

and the rest is scum.

I would nominate one of the lurkers probably. (Ill be posting more now

[Johhog]

Erg, I can see my own wishy-washyness here (and when you can do that you know it's bad) but I'm not sure what the best strategy is here.

I mean, we can do four things, and none of them are very bad:

1) Nominate an obvtown. The problem: we need to find one first. The majority don't seem to agree on one.

2) Nominate an obvscum. The problem: we need to find one first. The majority don't seem to agree on one.

3) Nominate a person which would give us very much info after his flip. I'm talking about guys like me, TS, Packbat and perhaps Quilford here, in order from most to least info.

4) Nominate a lurker. We nominate someone like Tovarish. Interesting stuff may happen, but it feels pretty risky.

[Twistedspoon]

my reads

{TS} me
{Quilford, Johog} very strong town
{Hiplop} strong town
{luc} most likely town
{SD} wildcard. His justification of the manchu lynch is... interesting

No, all we will do is tell scum whom

they

should nominate. They are overhelming in numbers, thaey have the second pick and they can beat any town strategy.

So I won't discuss non-nominated players. And I won't nominate players to volunteer because that would require me to give my reads.

I trust no one. It's the only winning strategy. The sooner you realize this the better.

If we don't give reads then the town's strongest weapon - discussion - is pointless and wasted

I don't see what you are going to contribute right now if you won't give us any info

[Shadow Dancer]

@Jo: Nominate for info is by far the best way you can go, because info is the best you can hope to get out of a strategy, just saying.
@Twisted: I don't know why you require any justification for the machu lynch. He justified that lynch himself with his very first post.

[Twistedspoon]

@Twisted: I don't know why you require any justification for the machu lynch. He justified that lynch himself with his very first post.

this is all true but why bring it up now? we're very much past the manchu saga

anyways, if you won't give reads what will you be doing for us?

[Shadowmod]

I have certain plans with this game... which pretty much involve folowing my game plan and win this. Not giving any prospect into what I'm goning to do at any point in the future is key element of it, though. Watch and learn.

[Shadow Dancer]

I have certain plans with this game... which pretty much involve folowing my game plan and win this. Not giving any prospect into what I'm goning to do at any point in the future is key element of it, though. Watch and learn.

[Packbat]

I have certain plans with this game... which pretty much involve folowing my game plan and win this. Not giving any prospect into what I'm goning to do at any point in the future is key element of it, though. Watch and learn.

...huh. Okay, I'll give you a shot.

[Twistedspoon]

I have certain plans with this game... which pretty much involve folowing my game plan and win this. Not giving any prospect into what I'm goning to do at any point in the future is key element of it, though. Watch and learn.

why do you have to be such an enigma?

If quilford thinks I'm not transparent then I dread to wonder what he thinks of you

[Pomegranate]

I don't want TS, Johhog, SD nominated. Or, for that matter, Quil, mainly because he keeps volunteering/saying how townie he is. I don't find him scummy otherwise, but that's enough to not elect him, at least for now.