ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

[SpyreX]

Because I think he's scum via PoE.

You're not scum. It can't be Locke or Thor. Its not me.

So either its you or esp via strange cult mechanics.

[Thor665]

Wouldn't esp be confirmed not cult via lack of any kills other than scum and lack of kill on you?

I agree Nexus is prob. scum.

[Magua]

What do you think Espeonage's role is, Thor?

What do you think about Locke Lamora as scum?

[Thor665]

Espeonage = obv. SK
I thought Locke was scum yesterday and said as much when you asked then. I still hold the read.

[Magua]

Assume that Espeonage is really an SK.

How do you win?

[Thor665]

By having cult cult me tonight and winning with them.

[Thor665]

So let's see.

Nexus and Locke are prob scum.
Spy is cult or town.
Espeo is SK
Magua is cult.

So I'm down for lynching either the SK or one of the scum bags.
If cult open declares themselves we can lynch from the non claimed.
Then please cult me tonight.
Scum, please don't kill me tonight - you still need to get the CR first, killing me will just put you into kingmaker with SK or Spy, or lose it for you if Spy is CR.

That sounds like a good plan.

[Thor665]

I want someone to declare cult - then I'll probably happily sheep them.

[Magua]

By having cult cult me tonight and winning with them.

No.

Assume Locke is scum. We lynch him. He dies and is mafia! Yay!

Mafia shoot someone who's not you (either SpyreX or myself).

SpyreX-cult-recruiter recruits you (assume this doesn't go through if he gets shot).

You're in one of two situations:
Mafia shoots SpyreX: It's now you + me (town) vs Espeonage (SK) vs Nexus (mafia)
Mafia shoots me: It's now you + SpyreX (cult) vs Espeonage (SK) vs Nexus (mafia).

How do you win?

[Thor665]

You're cult.

[Magua]

I'm not. Not that I expect you to believe me, but unless you think that I can be the cult recruiter, it would actually change nothing in the analysis I gave above. If you think Espeonage is an SK, then only mafia or SK can win.

[SpyreX]

If I was cult recruiter AND not pants on head with my recruits I'd love to claim right now.

But no.

I'm already thinking of what series of songs and haikus I'm going to make whichever set of jerks perform tomorrow to win the game.

Since, no matter how you cut it there's at LEAST 4 non-town left (Esp-CR, Thor-Cult, Locke-scum, Nexus-scum) OR (Esp-SK, Locke-scum, Nexus-scum, Magua-CR).

The former means I'm really interested in how this setup played out.
The latter requires this Magua/Thor business to be Thor-town or serious unnecessary acting which means Magua I'm really curious on how you managed one recruit all game.

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I'm pretty sure there's no scenario where I and my hypothetical town friend can win now short of Esp-CR killing Nexus AND Nexus killing Esp-CR.

[Magua]

I really liked the Espeonage-CR idea. It made everything nice and easy.

But it's really hard to reconcile with the daykill. Cult recruiter who can kill or recruit is fine. I can see that. Cult recruiter who can kill or recruit and daykill? Not so much. Again, the only way I see that working is if AlmasterGM was the Embodiment of the Warrior, and got culted N2 or N3, and that's pretty damn unlikely.

Espeonage is culted Warrior.
SpyreX is cult recruiter.

Locke is scum.
One of (Thor, Nexus) is scum. The other is town. If the other was cult, pretty sure there'd just be a claim and a roll at this point.

[Thor665]

You're in one of two situations:
Mafia shoots SpyreX: It's now you + me (town) vs Espeonage (SK) vs Nexus (mafia)
Mafia shoots me: It's now you + SpyreX (cult) vs Espeonage (SK) vs Nexus (mafia).

How do you win?

By being in the second setup and lynching Nexus.
Espeo has no kills left so then we lynch him and CUlt wins and I win - derpy doo.
Does that excite you for my answer?

By being in the first setup - it will actually be Thor (town) Magua (cult) Espeo (SK) and Nexus (mafia)
At that point we lynch Nexus and then no matter who we lynch I lose.

So, as I said, I win by becoming cult.

[Thor665]

Vote: Locke Lamora

Six of one, half a dozen of another.

I'm just going to presume Magus is going (pssst, cult, *wink*) and go with that.

[Magua]

You seriously think Espeonage is a Serial Killer who was given only three shots and then used them all?

Seriously.

The mind boggles.

[Thor665]

Do you have some cult related info I should know?

His kill makes no sense as cult.
His "bus" from Emp makes no sense as scum.
His claim of SK makes no sense as town.
He does make sense as an SK with limited kills, as silly as that sounds.

[Magua]

Thor, now you're just being a prat. Let's go down this path. Assume I am cult. I'm arguing that Espeonage is culted. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN YOUR WORLD?

[Thor665]

That he's an SK, as I believe.

[Magua]

And why would I, as cult, be doing this?

What does Magua-cult gain?

[Thor665]

Misleading the scum shot onto SK and away from actual Cult Leader...though I'll admit I'm not sure which is actually the better shot for scum right now. Guess it depends on whether you have one or two buddies currently. Either way, for you, it's better to get SK dead than CR dead - no brainer.

[Magua]

So.

ANd I want to make sure I'm getting this straight.

You think there's an SK in a 24 player game who gets three shots.

Furthermore, you don't think he's NK immune.

Finally, you say that I'm "misleading the scum shot onto SK" when I've said that Espeonage is the culted Warrior, ie, not cult recruiter, ie, not the person who should be shot tonight.

Do I have all that correct?

[Thor665]

Other than the sarcasm, sure.

Though I'll add I never said whether or not I thought he was NK immune - I do think he does have some sort of limited kill situation though, otherwise he'd have been killing. That's not hard to figure out.

So if you don't want Espeo to be shot, but think he's cult, why should that tell me anything about you? That works just fine with you being cult and him as well, and at that point all you're doing is debating what flavor of scum he is which is meaningless to my situation if I want to win with cult - frankly it would help me if he was cult because I doubt scum are going to pop a shot at him regardless of if he is cult or SK.

[Magua]

If you're town (or even if you're cult), and you think Espeonage is a serial killer, then it's game over for you. You simply cannot win.

You think Espeonage is SK.

So I was curious as to why you were still playing.

Everything after that was because the things that you were typing did not make logical sense with the things you were professing to believe. So I poked at them, because that's what I do.

[Magua]

UNVOTE: Locke Lamora

HEY ESPEONAGE!

Do a full claim -- role, powers, win condition, etc -- and I will sheep your vote today. Whoever you pick.

Unless you're mafia, which I'm doubting, you don't win unless mafia is lynched today. So go ahead and give me the claim and tell me who you want to lynch.