Execution Mafia: Days of the Cold War GAMEOVER

[SleepyKrew]

Day 2 literally started two days ago. You could call plenty of people "lurkers".

[MagnaofIllusion]

Mod – I’ll be V/LA for my usual weekend family duties from today at 5pm EST until Monday morning.

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Ok, Scumhunter has yet to check in but I think we can proceed without him for the moment.

Night 1 Vote Claims

–

MoI

– Vezok, JasonT, Zang, Quilford, Sleepy, Ice, Implosion, Tragedy, Captain

Vezok

– MoI

Unknown

– Scumhunter, having (died N1)

What does this tell us? Given my explicitly stated reads (as discussed below) the fact that I got control of the Nightkill means the likelihood that multiple scum were in that read group is pretty much nil. If Sleepy and Captain were scum together I think there would have been a much more powerful push against me being made Night Executioner in the later part of the day. As it was there was token resistance but little actual argument that could sway people.

Sleepy and Captain can’t be scum together and quite possible are both Town.

I did in fact get control of the Nightkill and did kill Having. As I posted during Day 1 my Top 4 suspects were Captain, Sleepy, Cod and Having. Cod was executed so the remains of my list were Captain, Sleeoy and Having.

I reviewed their ISOs again after receiving the PM from Mallo that I was the Night Executioner.

I chose not to kill both Captain and Sleepy for the similar reasons … both were explicit PR claims (with Captain’s being explicitly able to be proven). Additionally they both had publicly claimed ‘Paper’. What I said still stands …I don’t believe in killing claimed Power-roles N1 without an explicit counter-claim, especially if they are provable.

In reviewing Having’s ISO I saw the following –

1. Early attempts to undermine me and my play ability (see his first few posts).
2. Once it became apparent that I was likely to be voted Night Executioner his tone suddenly changes and he says he “respects my scum-hunting” – a direct contrast to the tone of his early posts attacking me.
3. Minimal scum-hunting. When he finally did provide reads late in the day there were mostly Null / Neutral (as I questioned him on).

Seeing Having’s Day 1 play I believed he stood a good chance to flip scum with his undermining, appeasement, and lack of scum-hunting.

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In regards to Captain’s claim – since the Mod’s vote count only lists his vote at one he will have to be the hammer on whatever Day Executioner.

Captain

– Please idle your vote so you can be ready to hammer at L-2 as necessary.

Everyone else

– Please do NOT vote for a Day Executioner if your vote would be the 5th vote. We need to be able to confirm Captain’s claim with a successful L-2 hammer. Use a FOS (Finger of Support, in this case) to support a player if they already have 4 votes.

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Then him flipping town and being executed at night which wasn't something I wasn't truly expecting (Especially when SK's on most people's SCUM LIST).

Aside from the mangled wording here ( I think you were trying to say that his death wasn’t something you WERE expecting) I have a question.

You attack me for executing Having without a claim while Sleepy (who had already claimed a Power Role) was on everyone’s list.

Do you think I should have executed Sleepy, who actually did claim a power role when listed on my Scum-reads list, instead?

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Junpei’s entrance has been whelming so far –

The whole “Why are you Voting your number 2 scum-read” back and forth with Sleepy is odd in that when he finally realized the mistake he was making he wanted to “retreat into the Hydra cave”. The next logical thought in the chain if he was honestly scum-hunting would be to say “Ok, why are you trying to give a scum-read of yours the Execution power”.

As Zang did with his post.

- MoI. Has lurked too much on day 2 for our tastes.

Oh, so when the thread hasn’t been open yet a full 48 hours Day 2 (not possible to even prod never-posting Scumhunter) and you say I’ve been lurking? Interesting assertion.

Compare his activity on D1 with his activity on D2 and you'll see what we mean.

Oh, have you looked at my site-wide activity to compare it to that? Just curious.

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Second biggest and it's a secret.

I think I see what you are alluding to here. Is it important in your mind to make sure Implosion is elected today?

[jasonT1981]

V/LA for weekend as per usual.

[SleepyKrew]

You could at least comment on stuff before you go.

[Cosca]

MoI you said in your final comment to Sleepy why it is that I ceased talking to him.

"If I was going to answer, I would have answered by now" ringed to me just what Sleepy's post in your post (I suspect) rang to you. So, I backed off, and said "retreating to the hydra cave" because I felt I was going solo too much and should be including IceGuy more.

Also I believe it is what we call active lurking where you make posts that are of much less substance than your previous posts which is what we saw from you. You were around the thread and posted to prove as such, however what you posted was not what we would expect from you.

- Junpei

[Zang]

Second biggest and it's a secret.

That's scummy.

Leaning scum:

-vezok. Got elected and coasted his way to the misexecution

It was the town's choice to kill codfish, the misexecution was not vezok's fault.

Neutral:

-MoI. Has lurked too much on day 2 for our tastes

How has he lurked day 2? And you should judge his read based on everything he has did so far in the game, not just what he did day 2.

Leaning town:

-CC. After rereading we can agree that he might be stupid and anti-townish, BUT he seems earnest. It's WIFOM. Is scum really going to be THAT stupid and do obvious anti-town things like "I'm keeping my paper"?

To me, it seems a lot more stupid for town to do it than scum.

- Skipping the first two paragraphs that have nothing to do with scumhunting (But I understand why you wrote them, pure appeal to emotion)

How is that appeal to emotion?

-Did you miss the part where Cod buddies SK and attacks Quilford? COD IS TOWN

Are you calling cod town because of his actions or because of his flip? Because townies don't buddy anybody, only scum buddy.

Capsrage means Quilford never executioner?

No, Jason didn't say it was because of his capsrage. I think it was because he said that if he was elected executioner, he wouldn't listen to the town on who to execute.

Yah yes. He only posted the vote tally and one question to Tragedy.

There's been less then one page between when you accused him of lurking and the beginning of day 2. Nobody can lurk in that time.

Also I believe it is what we call active lurking where you make posts that are of much less substance than your previous posts which is what we saw from you. You were around the thread and posted to prove as such, however what you posted was not what we would expect from you.

That doesn't change the fact that it was within the first 48 hours after day began. You can't judge a person's lack of content in only a few posts within 48 hours.

Do you still think he is active lurking?

[SleepyKrew]

Second biggest and it's a secret.

That's scummy.

Shut up.

[Cosca]

Leaning scum:

-vezok. Got elected and coasted his way to the misexecution

It was the town's choice to kill codfish, the misexecution was not vezok's fault.

Yes it was, but codfish was going to die for a while, if that wasn't obvious enough. Especially once SK claimed PR. Yes it was towns' choice, but Vezok knew that it was going to be codfish and if he was scum he'd known that it was a mislynch. So he coasted.

Neutral:

-MoI. Has lurked too much on day 2 for our tastes

How has he lurked day 2? And you should judge his read based on everything he has did so far in the game, not just what he did day 2.

Just compare his D1 posting behavior with his D2 posting behavior. He was a very active player D1 and posted much less content (not less

posts

, but less

content

) D2. He used to be leaning town, but due this difference in activity he's lost town points and is now neutral.

Leaning town:

-CC. After rereading we can agree that he might be stupid and anti-townish, BUT he seems earnest. It's WIFOM. Is scum really going to be THAT stupid and do obvious anti-town things like "I'm keeping my paper"?

To me, it seems a lot more stupid for town to do it than scum.

Cool, we think it is stupid regardless, it is a "your mileage may vary" read as you could see it as a bad scum or bad town gambit. We view it as a bad town move.

- Skipping the first two paragraphs that have nothing to do with scumhunting (But I understand why you wrote them, pure appeal to emotion)

How is that appeal to emotion?

"Oh, Quilford, my heart doth ache when thou speak in the tounge of caps. I am /upset/ ( emotions!) when thou do". Obviously that's not an exact quote, but you are saying you are upset greatly by this horrid act by Quilford.

-Did you miss the part where Cod buddies SK and attacks Quilford? COD IS TOWN

Are you calling cod town because of his actions or because of his flip? Because townies don't buddy anybody, only scum buddy.

This was my (IceGuy's) fault. We write our posts in an Etherpad, I edited "COD IS TOWN" into the draft of our post as a reminder he flipped town, and we failed to catch and remove it before posting.

Capsrage means Quilford never executioner?

No, Jason didn't say it was because of his capsrage. I think it was because he said that if he was elected executioner, he wouldn't listen to the town on who to execute.

Oh yes, I remember that. That was clear sarcasm. Seriously Read this and tell me that wasn't obviously sarcastic.

Yah yes. He only posted the vote tally and one question to Tragedy.

There's been less then one page between when you accused him of lurking and the beginning of day 2. Nobody can lurk in that time.

Pretty much a repeat of your earlier quote, since we had to reiterate ourselves. Refer to that, dunno why you decided to include this point twice.

Also I believe it is what we call active lurking where you make posts that are of much less substance than your previous posts which is what we saw from you. You were around the thread and posted to prove as such, however what you posted was not what we would expect from you.

That doesn't change the fact that it was within the first 48 hours after day began. You can't judge a person's lack of content in only a few posts within 48 hours.
Do you still think he is active lurking?

Yes we can judge his lack of content in the opening posts, you are in no place to say what is feasible and what is not. Refer to our quote that you commented on as to why it is active lurking. Oh yes, and this is the THIRD time that you have made this point in the same post. A bit overkill if you ask me.

- Junpei

[Zang]

Yes it was, but codfish was going to die for a while, if that wasn't obvious enough. Especially once SK claimed PR. Yes it was towns' choice, but Vezok knew that it was going to be codfish and if he was scum he'd known that it was a mislynch. So he coasted

So, what should town have done?

"Oh, Quilford, my heart doth ache when thou speak in the tounge of caps. I am /upset/ ( emotions!) when thou do". Obviously that's not an exact quote, but you are saying you are upset greatly by this horrid act by Quilford.

He wasn't angry at Quilford for raging. He was angry because Quilford told him to replace out. Which is much more serious and much more justified.

Oh yes, I remember that. That was clear sarcasm. Seriously Read this and tell me that wasn't obviously sarcastic.

It was clearly sarcasm but that doesn't matter. Jason was just telling Vezok not to do what Quilford joked that he would do.

Yes we can judge his lack of content in the opening posts, you are in no place to say what is feasible and what is not. Refer to our quote that you commented on as to why it is active lurking. Oh yes, and this is the THIRD time that you have made this point in the same post. A bit overkill if you ask me.

I know that I repeat myself sometime but this post was different. I am in just as much in a place to say what is feasible or not as you are. And you didn't answer my question, Magna's last post was filled with content. Do you think he is still active lurking?

[mallowgeno]

VC 2.1

Captain Corporal (1)-Captain Corporal
Implosion (1)-SleepyKrew
Quilford (1)-Quilford

Not voting (10)-
Vezokpiraka
MagnaofIllusion
jasonT1981
Zang
Scumhunter
Iceguy
implosion
Tragedy

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to elect.

Deadline is August 31st.

prodding scumhunter

[Captain Corporal]

Hey everyone, sorry for being majorly inactive, the last few days I've been really tired. I know that's no excue, but what's done is done.
Firsly, everyone, what is your read on me?
Secondly, I've been doing next to nothing in the way of scumhunting. I just realised that I have reads on basically no-one. Sorry again, I better fix that. Here's my town - scum list

Town

MoI
SK
Vezok (under review)
Iceguy
Quilford
Jason
Zang
Implosion

Scum

Everyone else needs to be ISOd

[Scumhunter]

Hi forgot I was in this game. I read the thread enough to know to vote for MoI last night. Will be posting a catchup sometime this weekend.

[Tragedy]

Captain Corporal

: Based on seeing that Votecount (it only revealed 1 Vote), I assume that CC's Doublevoting powers aren't shown, unless Mod made a mod-error (Which I somewhat doubt). However, his non-contributions towards town makes it really strange enough for me to call him town, despite his role. Neutral unless we get somewhere with his role.

Cosca

: Although I like his case on Jason, I don't truly understand your reads at all. Especially for Zang, that "Scum doesn't try to exaggerate a push on somebody for a mislynch" and with Vezok's scum-read because "He just followed the town while he expected a mislynch". <- I think it was that meaning?

[SleepyKrew]

Tragedy, have you been trading along?

Closesly?[

[implosion]

Something about Tragedy's posting is reading as disingenuous. I'll figure it out more later when I have more time. I'm leaving for dinner soon.

SK is still scum. I'd support myself, Zang, maybe Magna and maybe Quilford as possible executioners.

[Cosca]

So, what should town have done?

Scumhunt, of course.

He wasn't angry at Quilford for raging. He was angry because Quilford told him to replace out. Which is much more serious and much more justified.

Disagree.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3280264
That is Jason complaining about attitude/swearing/caps

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3280756
Jason complains about the swearing

(this one's good)
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3289778
Jason says: "Quil, I still really cant get into your case on SK, sorry there is too much rage and caps involved and giving me a headache, it does seem that it was going around in circles and it became annoyign to read."

Jason says that the capslock rage made it physically impossible for him to comprehend what she wrote.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3306218
Jason complains yet again about rageposting by Quil

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3306292
"what about the rage?"

It was clearly sarcasm but that doesn't matter. Jason was just telling Vezok not to do what Quilford joked that he would do.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3280264
Jason says quilford is begging to kill one person. He's dead serious

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3280756
Read the one on one, Jason talks about Quilford begging to kill one person, serious again.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3282174
Jason says quilford wants to "kill someone outright on his own accord".

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3289246
Referring to Quilford calling himself an unstable young man, serious once more.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3289778
Read what Jason tells Implosion. Serious as always.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3289964
Talks about it AGAIN. Why so serious?

I know that I repeat myself sometime but this post was different. I am in just as much in a place to say what is feasible or not as you are. And you didn't answer my question, Magna's last post was filled with content. Do you think he is still active lurking?

He has redeemed himself somewhat with his latest posting. We will be waiting until his weekend V/LA ends to update our read, though.

Zang: You are clearly not reading Jasons' ISO when you respond to us. It is suspicious that you are blindly defending Jason when it is clear that we have reason to suspect him. Let the man come to his own aid. Having someone who is just looking at our posts and going "no" without actually reading up on it isn't helping.

Cosca

: Although I like his case on Jason, I don't truly understand your reads at all. Especially for Zang, that "Scum doesn't try to exaggerate a push on somebody for a mislynch" and with Vezok's scum-read because "He just followed the town while he expected a mislynch". <- I think it was that meaning?

Regarding Zang, we mean that we don't think scum would make wallposts and analysis like he did when they know the mislynch is practically guaranteed.

Vezok is leaning scum because he lurked and didn't post anything of value after he was elected executioner.

- IceGuy

[Quilford]

Something about Tragedy's posting is reading as disingenuous.

This is exactly what I wanted to say.

[Zang]

Disagree.

The specific post you linked he was angry about Quilford telling him to replace out. He said something similar to “How dare you suggest I replace out”.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3280264
Jason says quilford is begging to kill one person. He's dead serious

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3280756
Read the one on one, Jason talks about Quilford begging to kill one person, serious again.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3282174
Jason says quilford wants to "kill someone outright on his own accord".

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3289246
Referring to Quilford calling himself an unstable young man, serious once more.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3289778
Read what Jason tells Implosion. Serious as always.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3289964
Talks about it AGAIN. Why so serious?

Whether Jason viewed it as serious or not also does not matter.

Zang: You are clearly not reading Jasons' ISO when you respond to us. It is suspicious that you are blindly defending Jason when it is clear that we have reason to suspect him. Let the man come to his own aid. Having someone who is just looking at our posts and going "no" without actually reading up on it isn't helping

No, I didn't read Jason's iso but I did read you're case and I did read the posts you linked to and that is what I am responding to. I am not blindly defending Jason and I only responded to a few of you're points against him. It's not like i'm responding to you're whole case and even if I was, I wouldn't think it was scummy.

[Tragedy]

[Ffff. Wasn't on for a few hours since I paused on trying to post, but my bitch laptop decided to freeze and hate me for life.]

implosion

: General town because he comments about other players with questions that helps town get a good read on other people.

Jason

: After reading Cosca's case on you, ISO #12 makes me want you dead because it sounds like you're trying to depend on a General town scumhunter to do mislynches for you instead of yourself trying to look town to scumhunt. Also, you're just focusing too much on relying MOI and Vezok that you couldn't even comment about other people for a town read (Especially Implosion). ISO #3 is trying to make Quilford look

real

bad. Scum.

MOI

: General Town Scumhunter with questions that helps town determine a good read on other people as well.

Quilford

: Seems to agree having MOI as Night Executioner without any comments towards him. Is he town, is he null? Thinks that Vezok's town for ONE comment, which sounds like he's trying to please the crowd. Null-Scum.

SK

: Pushing an execution towards a misrepresentation of a Contradiction towards Vezok sounds like a misguided town or a scum trying to push with misunderstandings. Votes for Quilford to get COD dead whose apparently buddying 'em, trying to look good from it. Scummy. (Btw, it's READING, not TRADING... Wait, what?) What was the point of claiming that you're a Power Role, I don't understand. You could either be town or scum PR.

Vezok

: ISO #1 makes me want to slap Vezok in the face. Sounds like trying to Please the town trying to think he's town like that. Barely any contributions or reasoning why X is town or scum (Ex: fatpig). Barely any discussion or arguments with anyone else during D1. Somewhat, I can understand how Vezok "slipped" through executing someone without contributing much to the town. Neutral-ish Scum, but more neutral.

Zang

: Seems to be town filled with opinions.

@MOI: It sounded more like a potential Scum PR trying to defend himself from being executed. Although he can be a town PR, I don't like SK himself. But that was your decision, so I can't disagree with your opinion on why he shouldn't have been killed then.

[jasonT1981]

Jason

: After reading Cosca's case on you, ISO #12 makes me want you dead because it sounds like you're trying to depend on a General town scumhunter to do mislynches for you instead of yourself trying to look town to scumhunt.

Also, you're just focusing too much on relying MOI and Vezok that you couldn't even comment about other people for a town read

(Especially Implosion). ISO #3 is trying to make Quilford look

real

bad. Scum.

Oh really?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3280756

[Quilford]

So this is today's plan.

Elect me. I kill Jason.

Upon scum flip elect ??? to kill ???.
Upon town flip elect ??? to kill ???.

Fill in the blanks, please.

I'm thinking elect me to kill Zang for the scum flip.

[Quilford]

We still need to hear from Scumhunter, too, though. >_<

[Tragedy]

I'm thinking elect me to kill Zang for the scum flip.

What makes you say that?

[Zang]

So this is today's plan.

Elect me. I kill Jason.

Upon scum flip elect ??? to kill ???.
Upon town flip elect ??? to kill ???.

Fill in the blanks, please.

I'm thinking elect me to kill Zang for the scum flip.

You can't kill both me and Jason. Besides I'm not electing you to kill anybody.

[Quilford]

You can't kill both me and Jason.

We can with the night execution.

I'm thinking elect me to kill Zang for the scum flip.

What makes you say that?

Zang's been a general scum read for me and his recent interactions with Cosca (interpreting events on jason's behalf) read oddly to me, especially re: the caps rage thing, what is and isn't sarcasm, what jason was and wasn't responding to, etc.


There's also something off about Tragedy's reads. I'll pick them apart sometime.