Toy Story Mafia (Day 9)

[glowball]

This isn't follow the leader- I am not following anyone I am not almost certain is town so Rainbow and SpyreX can take themselves some where else. I am going off to bed soon because you guys are frustrating me seriously

Farside- everyone starts out neutral in my eyes. mike doesn't read town, but a lot of people don't read town like YOU. But that doesn't mean he reads scum either, you and him both have yet to make substantial advances in either direction. the scum are super obvious right now if you bother to make the connections

OMG NINJA
Hey Rainbow...check the vote count, I am not voting FA so yeah....get with the program

[Beefster]

I'm not reading 8 pages. Sorry. There are better things I can be doing with my time.

Scotty Bro: Replace me

[Flavour Analysis]

Glow: What about Mike reads town and why not associate him with Umbrage?

*talks to self about reality of 24 player game and no doctor.
Good talk.
Insanity level goes up a notch*

Damn you Ray I think I just noticed that the majority of the so called shots that FA intended (I think accept Mb53) attacked FA.

*mutters more about lack of sleep and promise of vengeance later*

Our shots were intended for people that were laying low or were being useless, and being scummy. I find Rainbow to be midly interesting, but she has DONE STUFF and GOT SHIT DONE so I would never touch her.

Haha funny mudslinging there. Beefster was hard attacking me but after seeing his #962, he was confirmed town to me.

[FourseenCircumstance]

Guys there is a 50/50 chance that FA is Scum though, Those are good odds. I think we should take them.

[farside22]

Yes. I did want to shoot you. Why? Because YeSterday you repeated a question that Kendall has already asked us. It seemed like you were trying to bring attention to something that could make me seem scummy, even though I have explained it well enough. I just thought it was fake concern. That was it though.

And yet you answered the question I asked

Snakeside: Spreading pressure as in, pressuring more than one person. I have pressured Bob a bit, but voted Umbrage because there was none on him. Why unsure about Mike? Why do you disagree on Ninty?

And said nothing about the issue there? Why wait to bring up the problem now? Why is it scummy to repeat a question that was asked when I was clearly in catch up?

[Ray Montano]

Damn you Ray I think I just noticed that the majority of the so called shots that FA intended (I think accept Mb53) attacked FA.

Which pretty much confirmed Flavour acted in self-interest and not in the best interest for the town.

We aren't lynching FA since that kill was really really really likely to come from town.

I think that's crap and I don't think you're reading the game.

Ray

: I don't think you really have room to talk because I had no other suggestions (Who do you think is scum again?). Sure Spy said DJ but I have not seen that uttered after PJ replaced in.

Because I thought Soda was scum. I moved on, and am pressuring Nanook. Not ONLY am I suggesting Nanook is scum, but I also am doling out possibilities of Glow/Peregine being scum.

I also didn't like Soda not being able to explain his town read on MB53. Usually when I see someone 'making a connection' I go for the person making the connection first.

Let's be real here, that case on soda was shaky at best while that case on Nanook was pretty dead on. I think its really really strange that you would pick soda over Nanook unless you were acting solely in personal interest.

[farside22]

Glow: What about Mike reads town and why not associate him with Umbrage?

*talks to self about reality of 24 player game and no doctor.
Good talk.
Insanity level goes up a notch*

Damn you Ray I think I just noticed that the majority of the so called shots that FA intended (I think accept Mb53) attacked FA.

*mutters more about lack of sleep and promise of vengeance later*

Our shots were intended for people that were laying low or were being useless, and being scummy. I find Rainbow to be midly interesting, but she has DONE STUFF and GOT SHIT DONE so I would never touch her.

Haha funny mudslinging there. Beefster was hard attacking me but after seeing his #962, he was confirmed town to me.

Riding low:
Like mike who you asked about multiple times yet he's not on the list. I think I lost track of the number of players laying low, I think Bob is on that list as of today but I can't remember day 1 this late at night in my head.

[Flavour Analysis]

Farside

: Yes, I answered it. I wanted to see the rest of your play, which I didn't like either. It was a slight suspicion. Again, it was scummy to me because you were bringing attention to something I have already explained. If you were in catch up you would have SEEN my explanation.

[Rainbowdash]

We aren't lynching FA since that kill was really really really likely to come from town.

I think that's crap and I don't think you're reading the game.

Unless a second full vig claims, I am 100% sure FA is not mafia, and that transcendes mod meta of making extreme core characters town. This is not an exaggeration at all.

[Ray Montano]

Flavour. Let's be real here, that case on soda was shaky at best while that case on Nanook was pretty dead on. I think its really really strange that you would pick soda over Nanook unless you were acting solely in personal interest. And it pretty much confirms for me that you acted in self-interest and not in the best interest for the town. Right?

Unless a second full vig claims, I am 100% sure FA is not mafia, and that transcendes mod meta of making extreme core characters town. This is not an exaggeration at all.

Like a lot of what you say I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here.

[Flavour Analysis]

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Ray

: As a Vig, I'd take suggestions, or use my own reads. Either is in the best interest for town. I'm confident in my reads, and Soda was not a shaky read. I don't second guess my reads. I used my own read, and I was wrong.

[Rainbowdash]

Unless a second full vig claims, I am 100% sure FA is not mafia, and that transcendes mod meta of making extreme core characters town. This is not an exaggeration at all.

Like a lot of what you say I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here.

Will elaborate or not within 24 hours.
For mod meta though, last large theme he ran, four of the five core characters were town (one fakeclaim) and the one is a borderline core character. See Simpsons, all main but Maggie were town, and non-VT. Yes I do mod meta for large games, it was part of my thought process behind two scum teams.

[Flavour Analysis]

Btw: I want Fourseen to clarify on his CHARACTER. Sup with that?

[glowball]

We aren't lynching FA since that kill was really really really likely to come from town.

I think that's crap and I don't think you're reading the game.

Unless a second full vig claims, I am 100% sure FA is not mafia, and that transcendes mod meta of making extreme core characters town. This is not an exaggeration at all.

A full vig should never claim- only shoot to kill scum.

[Flavour Analysis]

Can I just put it out there that if there is a trivia question today, then I will be competing for it. Kay?

Also, The Reason why I Skipped DJ is because at this point I would like to hear from his replacement.

No. How about ToMmorow? Also, I'd trust others way before trusting you to handle a power.

My list: Spy, me, Diddin, Ray Montano, and InHim. Those are the only people I'd trust with the trivia. Beefy's slot is REALLY TOWN to us, so keep that in mind too.

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Farside

: I didn't get the connection until Chk explained it.

I have a scum read on Glow. You take her AtE as a town tell and I feel you are wrong on that. I can understand you relating to her stating she is sad that no one is listening to her. I even felt that way with my MB53 wagon. But I don't think you are really judging her WHOLE play and I want to be a bit more open to that. If there is ANYTHING else you feel is a town tell, then I am open to considering it.

I find nothing wrong with one of Glow/Peregine being copped ToNight.

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Nanook

: Of course, you as his bud would support his fake claim by saying it seemed like a town claim. Your post was fence sitty as in fishing for opinions while unvoting.

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Glowball

: Ok. Yes or no to the copping? Also, why do you support a lynch of Jmurph and Beefster? I don't remember your reasons for those.

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Petroleum Jelly

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• At that point in time, he didn't exactly COUNTER, he just soft countered. Meaning we didn't really KNOW if he CC'd. It could have been a gambit. (Which obv isn't now)
  
  
• I don't think so. I don't think she can openly REALLY be Bo Peep while claiming to be Buster, ANdy's dog without fear of a CC of that role. Agreed that lying about character names is stupid. I honestly don't see the problem of people lying as town. (Game wise, not alignment wise). I'd like for you to expand on why you have a mild town tell on Glowball, because I have a scum read.
  
  
• No. It was there because I thought it was ridiculous she would claim to be Bo Peep while claiming Buster later on. I just thought you missed that fact.
  
  
• On your defense of Nanook. I just don't really remember Nanook much at all. Just his early posts. I'm not basing my entire read on him because of lurking though.
  
  
• I direct the cop to her and Peregine because I find their play to be scummy. Peregine most likely due to connections, and his eager jump to the prize.

[Ray Montano]

Alright well unless something else exciting happens tonight I'll be back tomorrow night. I'd like to see EVERYONE who hasn't commented tonight to run down all their thoughts on pretty much every player who has interacted tonight (myself, Flavour, Rainbow, farside, Spyrex, glowball, Fourseen, Nanook, diddin).

Unvote

[FourseenCircumstance]

Oh want my Character's name? - Lenny the Binoculars

[glowball]

K- Flavour I answered, you read it and take it as you will. As for your questions, you already think I am scum and truly I don't care- I expected more from you tbh. Oh I forgot, my AtE is so scummy, well I guess I'm just a scummy bastard. I'll be ignoring you from now on and short of an anti-town flip at endgame you will be on my blacklist.

[Flavour Analysis]

Thank you. Ok. So, that must mean Bo Peep might have been Umbrage's safe claim.

Glowball: Ok. What is your read on Peregine then? Gee this coming from you? I never knew you would be one to blacklist. Go ahead. I think you know my read on you is not solely based on your AtE. Your AtE is a null tell, as I have said many times.

[Flavour Analysis]

Oh and why do you support a Jmurph and Beefster Wagon, Glowball?

[glowball]

K- Flavour I answered, you read it and take it as you will. As for your questions, you already think I am scum and truly I don't care- I expected more from you tbh. Oh I forgot, my AtE is so scummy, well I guess I'm just a scummy bastard.

I'll be ignoring you from now on and short of an anti-town flip at endgame you will be on my blacklist.

** I used to be against blacklisting, you can check my wiki but the more experience I get the more I see exceptions to the rule.

So, to be painfully clear all of your questions will go unanswered Flavour, if you think I am scum- it doesn't matter what I say, and I am not here to prove anything to you I want to find scum and you want to believe I am scum- so we are done here.

[Flavour Analysis]

No. Answer my questions. You are BEING ANTI TOWN by not answering me. WHAT IS YOUR READ ON PEREGINE, AND WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE JMURPH AND BEEFY WAGONS????

You can scumhunt and answer my questions. Don't be silly.

[Flavour Analysis]

What you say does matter. You can't just *hand wave* it.

[glowball]

can't be anymore scum than you already think I am, so I think I'll stay with the statement that your questions will go unanswered. We can chat all you want though....

[Ray Montano]

glowball I'd like to know what your read on Peregrine is and why you support a jmurph or beefster wagon.