Junpei wrote:Mastermind of Sin wrote:lolololololol DotA 2 looks like a crap game, you realize that right? Guinsoo and Pendragon are the only guys who ever truly innovated this genre. Everyone else is just copying off of them.
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How long have you played Mobas? You look like someone who started with LoL, otherwise there's no way you could have made a post filled with so much wrong.
Dota 2 will do better because they have experienced and far stronger developers on the job.
Eh it's a lot more complicated then that, Dota 2 is going to utterly destroy HoN I think we can all agree there as HoN is just a Dota clone and is already dying. However the LoL comparison is much harder as they are two separate games and LoL has a much different target audience then Dota did (I use did as for this discussion the Chinese scene doesn't matter as steam can't monetize them in any large way and outside of Asia the Dota scene is pretty much dead*).
Now everything I've heard from Tobi_Wan_Kenobi, Kuro, Valves tournament announcment and the leaked stuff is indicating that this is very much just Dota on a new engine with next to no changes to the game mechanics which actually think that Dota2 doesn't want to compete directly with LoL. Which is both good and bad for Dota2, the good being if it tried to go toe to toe with LoL right off the bat it would be destroyed as as LoL A) is already established, B) has a lot of name recognition (no Dota doesn't don't even try to argue it does) and C) has a very very large player base (and in this genre there is no way to recruit players if their friends don't switch, if my friends play LoL there is no way your going to get me hooked on DotA). The bad being it's going to be very hard to monetize Dota2 very much or promote it as an Esport** as much of their prespective player base has already been claimed by LoL so they are going to have to start with whoever they can get to switch over from Dota to form the nucleus of their new community and then try to build enough of a scene around them that they can recruit people away from LoL (which if they can start doing will snowball, see C) of the upside).
So I'm not sure you can throw around terms like better as it's going to be apples and oranges (at least to start with***).
*It's stone cold dead in NA, dying in europe and the russia scene is hard to judge.
**I'm not actually sure they want it to be an esport contrary to the popular rumors going around at the moment, A) Valve has an awful record at promoting their games and B) Their initial PR investment with the $1.7 tourny is set up awfully if they are actually trying to support an Esports scene (though it's a nice huge shocking number for attracting casuals, which means they might actually want to compete with LoL).
***I think that sooner or later just to expand their customer base they are going to need to make a damned solid attempt to steal a large section of LoLs playerbase and I think oddly enough Riot has shown them the way with Dominon, regular Dota won't do the job but by adding alternative game modes they can appease their base while giving new players an incentive to try out their game.
