Execution Mafia: Days of the Cold War GAMEOVER

[Scumhunter]

Implosion, you really think I'm this suicidal as scum? You were going to be the executioner and as far as I could tell you were listening to me and generally agreeing with my scum reads or at least listening to me (which really is a huge step up to 75% of the game here). I was in no fear of being killed today with you as executioner as far as I could tell. What scum motivation would I have for outing a guilty on the hardest player to lynch in the game when I previously wasn't too worried about dying but now am likely to be killed. None. Zilch.

The town motivation is obvious. This is the only way I can get MoI lynched, very likely with the cost of my own life.

My fear here is MoI's influence and that this essentially becomes GG, if MoI secures another ML today as I had no confidence I could get people to believe me in a lylo situation. (I think tomorrow would be lylo if we lynch wrong today) I know I was feigning a bit of insecurity today, but I am a cautious player and even with a guilty I had to be sure that my guilty did in fact = scum in my mind before outting my report and pushing it to essentially a showdown. Obvious worst case scenario is MoI being framed/miller and my report causing instant town loss. After outting my report, even if I had a suspicion MoI was framed/miller I'd have no way to stop the town from leading him to the gallows and ending the game. I'm quite sure he's scum and I've been so for some time, but I really had to be sure and was just covering my bases. That cautiousness is a town tell.

Cool, if you think this is a bus, help me bus. After I'm done bussing MoI, I'll go ahead and bus the other 2-3 scum in the game as well.

[Scumhunter]

implosion I was eventually outting my report 100% today anyways. If I was suddenly killed during day-phase by a day-vig that was just a risk I had to be willing to take.

[Scumhunter]

MoI, no, I'm not insinuating that you had any idea that I was the cop before I claimed. I was merely pointing out that you were in fact fosing me, the cop, and a couple of my top town reads (Quilford/Tragedy).

I know how framers worked. I also know they are incredibly unlikely. If someone were to be "framed" in this setup, who do you think scum would choose though?

Why of course, hypothetically, if you were town, can't you at least see that "town MoI" who has the executioner power, is high profile, and likely will be killing a town-sided role night 1 would make the perfect frame night 1. AT EVERYONE, PLEASE DON'T READ THIS AS IF IM TRYING TO IMPLY THAT THERE IS ANY CHANCE IN HELL THAT MOI IS FRAMED AT THIS POINT, he is 100% scum.

What I am saying is that town MoI would at least admit that he would be a likely frame and that he would at least consider it as a possibility. The fact he is immediatley "scumhunter is confirmed scum, me or him" is EXACTLY the type of scum thought process. He's not willing to consider alternatives or at least concede to where my thought process could possibly make sense.

He's scum. He's using everything I say against me. I'd expect no less from an experienced player like himself. Please don't let him get away with it.

Moi, Your responses and reactions really just seal the deal. What separates you and me this game (and what town really really need to pick up on) is that I'm willing to consider all possibilities. You see I mention the possibility of a framer, and you immediately point out how I'm devolving into some sort of defeatist attitude. You are using every weapon in your power to try to destroy my claim.

What I'm saying and why I even brought up the framer idea in the first place was to try and give the town-sided players a glimpse into my thought process behind my thought arc on your alignment from before I even checked you. That thought process, that cautiousness, that openness to considering all possibilities is what makes a town-sided player. My strength in this game has always been convincing people I'm town when I am and being really terribly shitty mafia when I'm not. I'd hate to see myself lynched for the first time as town on here, but hell I guess it was going to happen eventually so whatever.

Town, what you need to look at is the intent behind MoI's posts.

I think implosion is on to something about MoI's immediate reaction to turn this into a 1v1 deal him vs me is his fear that any town exectioner would play it cautious and err with the side of a cop's guilty on d2 even if they thought I was lying. By putting himself out there right now at this very instant, he is leveraging all this town credit he has built all game for the opportunity to kill the cop. DON'T LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT.

For the record, I am okay with supporting someone else for executioner as long as they agree to execute MoI. No other execution except MoI or me is acceptable at this point.

MoI, the more I talk, the more you will squirm. I promise <3. I'm not defeatist. A little frustrated yes. I want to see you hang today and you will. If not, it sure as hell won't be from me giving up.

[Scumhunter]

At everyone, if you think I'm scum, please explain the scum motivation for me faking this report at this point and time of the game? If my goal is to "secure" a ML, why the FUCK would I choose MoI?

^If you can come up with a legitimate answer to that question that makes me scum, I'll eat my hat. If you can't come up with a legitimate answer to that question, there is only one option remaining: I'm town. I'll be here waiting.

/Signing off for the night.

[Zang]

i cant tell if i already posted this but I mean to.

I`m a cop with a guilty on quilford.

[Tragedy]

i cant tell if i already posted this but I mean to.

I`m a cop with a guilty on quilford.

Did you just Counterclaimed Scumhunter?

[Zang]

Yes. I was going to claim anyway though when an executioner was elected.

[Zang]

I just read the last few pages and scumhunter is very scummy.

1. You say that tragedy is town through meta. Vexo can be proven town the samr way. Also I never trust meta enough to give me a town or scum read.

2. Magna is seen as town by the majority of players. Thats reeaon enough for scum to sacrifice themself. If I was scum I would easily sacrififice myself for a nearly confirmed townie.

3.You keep bringing up roles that you have no rreason to assume are in the game. It is possible for another role to be interfering but It is more likely that he is scum if you did get a guilty result.

[Quilford]

I am a miller. I have other abilities that are helpful to the town.

I don't think a full claim is necessary right now.

[Zang]

Why didnt you claim day 1?

[Quilford]

Because I saw a thread here somewhere talking about when millers should and shouldn't claim, and I'd much prefer to play as townie as possible to make it not an issue than to draw a whole heap of attention on Day 1, when I have additional abilities. I was in a semi-Open recently where the real miller claimed on Day 1 and it lead to a whole heap of negative focus.

I'll dig up the thread and the game.

[SleepyKrew]

Will post thoughts tomorrow.
This is... blargh...

[Quilford]

The thread about millers: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15940

The game: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=17365

[Zang]

Claiming miller day 1 is always the townie thing to do.

Otherwise, if a cop investigates you and you claim miller then he doesny believe you.

And I dont believe you.

Ill look at th links now

[Quilford]

Too bad.

It's not my fault you happened to be the one with both a cop ability and a guilty result on me. I'm sure that anyone with a town read on me right now who was suddenly told that I was guilty would not disbelieve me so easily.

[Scumhunter]

As fucked up as this sounds, I may believe you Zang. Going to wrap my head around this more tomorrow. Yes I realize what I just said.

[Quilford]

I rather strongly doubt that there are two cops in this game.

[Scumhunter]

But Mr. Miller, your own claimed role suggests mechanics that would undermine the utility of cop reports. Plus, I just played a game on here with 2 trackers. Its possible. Can't see why Zang would step out here as scum and do this since I was probably going to be lynched anyways.

[Quilford]

But Mr. Miller, your own claimed role suggests mechanics that would undermine the utility of cop reports.

Doesn't mean there would be two sane cops.

I think one of you is paranoid or insane.

[Scumhunter]

I think MoI is scum, not just based on the report though.

I don't think it would be one of those fucked up 4-cop setups. I feel there would be more flavor hints towards that if that were the case. If there are any other cop claims, I think they should claim now though.

Given this information, who do you want to lynch Quilford?

[Quilford]

I think MoI is scum, not just based on the report though.

I don't think it would be one of those fucked up 4-cop setups. I feel there would be more flavor hints towards that if that were the case. If there are any other cop claims, I think they should claim now though.

Given this information, who do you want to lynch Quilford?

You.

There's no way this game contains more than one cop, and Zang seems pretty legit to me.

[Scumhunter]

Well I swear on my dead grandmother's grave, her name is Dorothy and she died of pancreatic cancer last year that I'm a cop...and I don't see Zang's motivation to lie here as a scum-partner with MoI. Your miller claim Quilford, combined with MoI's lack of miller claim = I'm either officially insane or MoI is confirmed scum. I still say we execute between MoI and me today.

Zang's claim I believe. Your miller claim Quilford, while I think there are millers in the setup, I currently think you are full of shit and scum to be honest. I realize this goes against my previous read of you. But I really believe Zang now. And yes I know he claims my role. So suck on it.

I want to post this here just so I can feel epic if this is true: Zang is a sane cop with a guilty on Quilford, I'm an insane cop with a guilty on MoI the godfather. Epic soul read of mod get.

@mallow, can you confirm whether its possible for a cop's sanity to be anything but real in this game?

[Scumhunter]

Gah I don't know what to think. I still obviously want a MoI execution. Does a miller reveal as miller or as a Mafia Goon if lynched?

If I'm not executed, I think MoI/Quilford executions would be the way to go.

[Scumhunter]

Zang, I believe your claim, please trust me if you are a cop. I'm not lying as hard as that may be for you to believe. I understand there is no reason for you to fake claim here, but there would be no reason for me to either. Think about it from my pov, if I'm a cop trying to get a townie lynched, why the FUCK would I choose MoI over (SK/Jason/Tragedy/pretty much anyone freaking else in the game other than MoI). What I'm saying is there would have to be some other target I'd aim for for a ML. I know people will claim "WIFOM", but really this isn't a wifom situation. There are strategies that are optimal and there are strategies that are suboptimal. Faking a guilty on MoI and accepting it as a suicide mission from the minute I posted my report is not a scum tactic.

Question at MoI: How do you feel about the idea of a Quilford execution?

[Scumhunter]

Gah, I need sleep. Someone with a brain help. I'm contemplating the idea of a mass claim. THoughts anyone?