UPick: Mafiascum Fantasy Camp - All over!

[Candle Jack]

Well, I meant SDC, but its mainly SpyreX right now, so I got them mixed up. (It even happened to you in that same post :p.)

(Or are you asking why I consider him town?)

[Vi]

Well, I meant SDC, but its mainly SpyreX right now, so I got them mixed up. (It even happened to you in that same post :p.)

(Or are you asking why I consider him town?)

The latter.

[AlmasterGM]

Oh, the contract shenanigans. That no-one has ever been able to provide me with any sort of scum motivation for other than LLDs “It doesn’t make sense” followed by pointlessly posting in colors.

Why don’t you elaborate on what exactly about my play was scummy. In your own Pika-Pika words.

Because in CYS you complained about how pointless you thought unlynchability was, so the fact that you a) answered the riddle, which demonstrates you wanted the power and b) didn't complain about how crappy it was seemed scummy. Your handing of the post-situation was flaily.

Unvote, Vote: Vi

You cannot commit to a 1v1 and then just walk away when you lose. That's not how 1v1's work. If I were doing the same, you'd be screaming for my lynch.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 1 Votecount #22

ANKLE HURTS MORE.

DemonHybrid (1) - Candle Jack
Screaming Death Clan (2) - Hinduragi, Yami-Swan

Amrun (6) - ToastyToast, Mastermind of Sin, Meransiel, Vi, GreyICE, Irony

Vi (3) - Screaming Death Clan, MagnaofIllusion, AlmasterGM
Candle Jack (2) - Lady Lambdadelta, Amrun

Not voting (3)

Nikanor, inHimshallibe, DemonHybrid

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 is (expired on 2011-08-27 17:07:25) or the 27th of August at 22:10 GMT, or 17:10 EST.

Please point out any mistakes you see in the votecount.

[Screaming Death Clan]

1) Complaining about flipping when there isn't even a wagon on you
2) Suggesting I would apologize for your lynch afterward

Yes I'm complaining. Thats it exactly on the head. I can't count or wagons or gosh I don't know /emo.

ORRR, like I said, I want this stupid business to end. If getting YOU lynched is an impossibility maybe ME being dead will actually galvanize things and get them moving in an actual direction. Like you becoming dead shortly after. Like giving SOMETHING to point this game like a sword and not a dead fish.

And I never said apologize for lynching me. I don't care (more than normal) about being lynched. Its the snark. That attitude about it all that I sincerely hope is from scum because *gasp meta* if this is town Vi then you've gazed into the eyes of the abyss way too long. You'll notice that is directed at you specifically and that is for a reason. Honestly, I expect better. If you're scum at least I can understand it SOME but even then.

I think both of you guys are the most town out of all the players here and contributing today. But, I think you're both squirreling away your votes on a player who also has a high chance of flipping town. I'm telling you this because I don't want to see all the (1v1) threats and potential tunneling on town when we have people who are much more likely to flip scum here. Would you both be able to swing onto a DH lynch?

I'm going to answer this with a story.

When I saw I was hydraing with Reck I said I was going to take a more backseat role and be an opinion from the shadows. However, that MoS wagon

was so bad

AND we were on it I chimed in and opened the floodgates. Now this game only makes me angry and that's retarded and totally my doing.

So, I'm stepping back some and letting Reck take the helm for a while. I can tell I'm well past that point of no return where terrible ideas like fakeclaiming cop results to get these lynches sounds like a good idea and that's just plain stupid.

Me? I'd want one of the two of us lynched so this ends. Period. I am bulldog on this and if there's not at least 2 scum in the trifecta of Vi, GI and Hindu I would be shocked. Thats why I'm not moving it.

But, new blood and new opinions etc, etc.

[Screaming Death Clan]

On that note, Reck here. I'm fairly behind on this thread and have been sharing my vague thoughts with SpySpy, but I need a full-on reread. I'm about to call it a night, then tomorrow I have class/concert, Friday I have work then the debut of my radio show (which inevitably involves me getting drunk), so it'll be this weekend before I'm able to get my ducks in a row and get a coherent post up.

Let it be known that I've tried to get SpyreX off of his GI IS SCUMMM kick by pointing back to how wrong he was during Team Mafia's PYP. I've also made it known I prefer an Irony wagon to a Vi wagon, and that I haven't seen much on Hindu. SpyreX's summary of the game to me is as follows:

This is a bad game, people flail, MoI is a double secret cop, DH is a flaking tracker claim, Merisaniel is on drugs and some kind of doctor or bodyguard or something, Vi backed out of a 1v1 with me to take one up with AGM who claimed treestump/dies next day then tried to back out of that.

Hindu is literally doing nothing and called US OUT FOR LURKING.
Vi is being a snarky fuck and its pissing him off if its legitimate.
GI is [mean things said here about being bad and scummy].

CJ was getting run up and no one could explain why. He's town. Nik he doesn't get. MoI is probably town. inHim is town but needs to play more.

I told him Nik was town here, too. I'll get back to this this weekend.

[Candle Jack]

Vi, it is intent, what they attempt to do with their vote and pushes, which looks legitimate and very likely to come from town. Add in the fact that I agree with most of their reads, despite the Vi vote, and you have a solid town read. If people basically are thinking the same thing I am, it make me think they are also town.

I know its pretty hard to see that when you're being voted and attacked by a player slot (in fact, reading a player as town when they vote you if you're town is probably the hardest thing to do in mafia) but thats where I see it from an outside perspective.

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Anyways, I'm getting upset here that all my town reads are on Vi AND the DH wagon has gone poof.

[Candle Jack]

The Descent

That attitude about it all that I sincerely hope is from scum because *gasp meta* if this is town Vi then you've gazed into the eyes of the abyss way too long.

Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you

.

[Mastermind of Sin]

More votes on Amrun, please. I could be convinced to vote SDC, but I'd rather do Amrun today.

[DemonHybrid]

To MoI. I know this is old, but I havent had the liberty to post over the last couple of days:

1. Explain the scum motivation in rejecting it. I’m still waiting for one that makes any logical sense.
2. Point out the dissonance. You allude to it but seem unable to articulate it in your own words.
3. Ignoring that I provide several scummy plays by you, not responding to them, and then jumping on my failwagon when the heat starts to come your way? Scumtastic!
4. So I’m not able to investigate multiple scum at a time in DemonHybrid’s vision of Mafia?

1. It just showed a shitload of fear from you. I would have taken that deal in an instant, if only for the information of the "bad" that comes at the end of the two days that could help the rest of town.
2. LLD has already pointed this out, I was just restating her argument.
3. Actually, it was the timing of your jump that I didn't like.
4. ^

Like I said, all of this is moot at this point, so I'm not going indepth.

Vote: Candle Jack

I honestly don't understand the Amrun wagon at all.

Did everyone forget the fact that CJ completely went away for a couple of pages after LLD posted her reaction rest, posted specifically on Amrun and LLD's attack on him, went away for a while, defended himself some more and then came back to post in his usual way after the heat was shifted to Amrun? He's taking potshots and avoiding heat, and it's something that I don't like.

I sense that it's exactly like "Oh shit...let me hide for a little while and then come back when I feel most comfortable". Now that he's most comfortable, he takes random potshots. He didn't scumhunt AT ALL in the middle of that debacle.

My second suspect is Vi. Vi's been on

EVERY

major wagon since the game started.

I'm not going to post that much because I'm getting sick and I'm exhausted, but I need to post something, so this is what you get for the moment. I can go more indepth tomorrow night after my meetings and give you specific examples, but I'm going to bed right now. Please vote Candle Jack, because I could just sense the fear in him like a fucking dog.

[GreyICE]

On that note, Reck here. I'm fairly behind on this thread and have been sharing my vague thoughts with SpySpy, but I need a full-on reread. I'm about to call it a night, then tomorrow I have class/concert, Friday I have work then the debut of my radio show (which inevitably involves me getting drunk), so it'll be this weekend before I'm able to get my ducks in a row and get a coherent post up.

Let it be known that I've tried to get SpyreX off of his GI IS SCUMMM kick by pointing back to how wrong he was during Team Mafia's PYP. I've also made it known I prefer an Irony wagon to a Vi wagon, and that I haven't seen much on Hindu. SpyreX's summary of the game to me is as follows:

Let it be known that you're OBVIOUS SCUM AND YOUR HYDRA DING DONGERY IS TERRIBLE.

My god, a two man hydra and you have yet to post even one post that makes me happy.

[Meransiel]

Merisaniel is on drugs and some kind of doctor or bodyguard or something.

You. Ruined. EVERYTHING!!!!!!!

Vote: SDC

I don't even care if he is mafia or town. I had this perfect plan that would tell me MoI's alignment with 100% certainty, and now, thanks to that, it will all go to waste. Thanks a lot, dude!

[Mastermind of Sin]

*sigh* Meransiel, you have problems.

[Yami-Swan]

*sigh* Meransiel, you have problems.

True, except that his vote is in the right place.

[Meransiel]

Shut up.

[GreyICE]

*sigh* Meransiel, you have problems.

But he's voting for scum, and thus we like him.

[Vi]

Unvote, Vote: Vi

You cannot commit to a 1v1 and then just walk away when you lose. That's not how 1v1's work.

Oh well.

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Its the snark. That attitude about it all that I sincerely hope is from scum because *gasp meta* if this is town Vi then you've gazed into the eyes of the abyss way too long. You'll notice that is directed at you specifically and that is for a reason. Honestly, I expect better. If you're scum at least I can understand it SOME but even then.

Have I been terribly impolite in this game? Yes absolutely. The wagon on me is made from scum and people who should know better given that they know me, and to be honest I'm tired of being nice to people who have severely inflated mental pictures of themselves and their aptitudes.
Is this Town Vi? Yes it is, vintage 2008. Wagons become major

because

I'm on them, when in trouble I start pinballing around and scum (or Porkens) take the opportunity to call it scummy but can't get a lynch, and I don't mince words along the way.

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Vi, it is intent, what they

[SDC]

attempt to do with their vote and pushes, which looks legitimate and very likely to come from town.

Pretend I'm in the Missouri Mob and show me. Words aren't going to cut it at this point.

Add in the fact that I agree with most of their reads, despite the Vi vote, and you have a solid town read.

I'm not up to going for Hinduragi, although I can see how his lack of activity would cause concern.
GreyICE is entirely dependent on when he stops expecting me to blindly follow him.

I could probably swing for an Amrun lynch. I would like her to answer my question for her first though

What happened to this?

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My second suspect is Vi. Vi's been on

EVERY

major wagon since the game started.

Notwithstanding that I'm

usually

on every major wagon, and that I was within starting distance on at least two of them,

I honestly don't understand the Amrun wagon at all.

...this is why I can't take your posts seriously.

[Candle Jack]

What happened to this?

Well, I want to see how amrun is going to answer the question, first.

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Anyways, DH recent post is all the more reason to remove him from the town.

Vote: Candle Jack

I honestly don't understand the Amrun wagon at all.

First we have a vote on the player who's been attacking him game and professed ignorance of half of the going on's in this game, which is anti-town as town are trying their best to figure out what is going on and scum simply don't care because they know who the scum are already.

Did everyone forget the fact that CJ completely went away for a couple of pages after LLD posted her reaction rest, posted specifically on Amrun and LLD's attack on him, went away for a while, defended himself some more and then came back to post in his usual way after the heat was shifted to Amrun?

I went out for five hours in the middle of the day, so not sure what you're talking about here. Can you actually back up this first nonsense accusation?

There is nothing scummy about defending yourself from attacks from other players, in fact, it is quite pro-town. IF I allow any single point to stand against me when I know I am town, people may believe it has validity, so I have to refute each one.

And as for you final accusation, back it up please.

Now that he's most comfortable, he takes random potshots. He didn't scumhunt AT ALL in the middle of that debacle.

What potshots am I taking? Which debacle are you talking about? How have I not scumhunted? I have a clear picture of who is town and scum right now.

My second suspect is Vi. Vi's been on EVERY major wagon since the game started.

What the f sort of accusation is this for your second suspect.

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So you come in from being away, completely try and shuffle the amrun wagon under the rug, and then attack two players you think have a little support for being scum, and you think you're going to get away with that?

No.

[GreyICE]

Blindly following me is not necessary, or pro-town.

When me and LLD are both town and both agreeing though, following us is pro-town. Blindly or not, up to you Vi.

Also me and LLD always have the same alignment, therefore we're both town.

[Candle Jack]

Vi, it is intent, what they

[SDC]

attempt to do with their vote and pushes, which looks legitimate and very likely to come from town.

Pretend I'm in the Missouri Mob and show me. Words aren't going to cut it at this point.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p3345943

Establishes a ton of his reads, and then comments firmly about the MoS wagon.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 9#p3348609

Honestly believes you are scum here an other places. Doesn't looks like he is scum trying to get a mislynch.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 8#p3348878

Willing to sacrifice himself in a 1v1, while still firmly holding onto his town read from earlier in the game (us) when it would have been easy to abandon it.

Add in the fact that I agree with most of their reads, despite the Vi vote, and you have a solid town read.

I'm not up to going for Hinduragi, although I can see how his lack of activity would cause concern.
GreyICE is entirely dependent on when he stops expecting me to blindly follow him.

Ok, I do agree with a lot of their reads, especially last few posts.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Candlejack

We totally have this

(oh and Reck: ~)

[MagnaofIllusion]

Nik’s habit of using pointed statements and questions and then ignoring when they are proven wrong in thread is annoying and needs to stop ASAP.

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MoI insists SDC is town

To be factually correct I don’t insist they are Town. I simply don’t have scum-read on them.

Also me and LLD always have the same alignment, therefore we're both town.

And Vi and I never have the same alignment, therefore she’s scum.

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Picking a fight with TownVi seems rife for danger for scums. Agreed.

Hey drop me some knowledge about why you see TownVi.

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Waiting for it to hit everyone that I'm seriously not going to be able to vig SDC so they'll switch over.

You will be waiting for awhile is my guess.

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Because in CYS you complained about how pointless you thought unlynchability was, so the fact that you a) answered the riddle, which demonstrates you wanted the power and b) didn't complain about how crappy it was seemed scummy. Your handing of the post-situation was flaily.

I complained in CYS that Unlynchability AS A SOLE POWER was useless. Here I obviously have other powers so it’s not apples to apples.

A. No, if I wanted the power I would have taken it. You, like LLD and the other derps, keep repeating this as if you know what is inside my head.

B is covered by my first sentence above.

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1. It just showed a shitload of fear from you. I would have taken that deal in an instant, if only for the information of the "bad" that comes at the end of the two days that could help the rest of town.
2. LLD has already pointed this out, I was just restating her argument.
3. Actually, it was the timing of your jump that I didn't like.
4. ^

1. No, it doesn’t. Continue to derp it up claiming that.
2. So you hang your hat on LLD’s horrible argument? Noted.
3. Oh, so you are accusing me of scummily jumping on your wagon for TIMING?

Yeah, your answers don’t make any more sense at this late a date.

Vote: Candle Jack

I honestly don't understand the Amrun wagon at all.

After looking through Amrun’s ISO this post is enough for me to move my vote (reluctantly) from obv-scum Vi to Amrun since too many people have "DGB sydrome" in regards to Vi.

UNVOTE: Vi
VOTE: Amrun

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Have I been terribly impolite in this game? Yes absolutely. The wagon on me is made from scum and people who should know better given that they know me, and to be honest I'm tired of being nice to people who have severely inflated mental pictures of themselves and their aptitudes.

Look, scumplaining!

Notwithstanding that I'm usually on every major wagon, and that I was within starting distance on at least two of them,

Oh, so just your presence and said timing of you being on bad wagons means it isn’t suspect even if your reasons for being on them sucked?

Ok … I buy that.

[Hinduragi]

SDC is basically confirmed scum. CandleJack is next in line. Amrun is after that.

Vi is town. LLD is town. Mer is town. Yami is town. inHim is town because it turns out I can read him but not the other way around. MoS is town.

I can guarantee a SDC scumflip at this point. I'm not as sure about the other two and my role is keeping me from even being able to scumhunt how I want so let's lynch SDC and tomorrow we can go back to those two. I can only vote three people per day. I must tunnel on one of the three I voted. That's why I'm being very picky about who I vote.

[Hinduragi]

Oh, AGM claimed. He's town too. The 1v1 is very much excellent bait for getting scum to vote Vi. It isn't going to work since they were already voting him.

[Nikanor]

Just as we get a wagon on Amrun-scum it dissolves for absolutely no reason. What are you people doing?