Execution Mafia: Days of the Cold War GAMEOVER

[Scumhunter]

If Quilford flips scum, I'm fine with night executioner votes going to Zang.

Zang, assuming you are telling the truth, please please consider not executing me tonight assuming Quilford flips scum. I'm fine with being checked, in fact I encourage you to do so, and if you still don't believe me tomorrow when you get an innocent we can deal with it then.

Please, please consider that I will have another report tomorrow. Note the support I'm giving you today Zang please. Things will be a lot clearer tomorrow. A doctor/1-shot doctor any sort of protective role needs to be on Zang tonight assuming Quilford is scum, which I'm pretty sure he is. I can't emphasize this enough.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Zang, assuming you are telling the truth, please please consider not executing me tonight assuming Quilford flips scum.

I'm fine with being checked, in fact I encourage you to do so, and if you still don't believe me tomorrow when you get an innocent we can deal with it then.

The bolded - hey look I'm an Investigation Immune role!!!!

[SleepyKrew]

Hey MoI, want a Voting Bloc?
Cosca's latest post is just so much bullshit.

[Zang]

I like this Idea better. Cdosca, if scumhunter is scum then magna is much more likely to be town rather then scum doing an elaborate gambit.

Executioner kills Quilford.

1. Quilford is scum thdn the execuriner kills scumhunter and I investigate Magna.

In this situation I would prefer to be the night executionner.

2. Quilford is miller then executioner kills scumhunter and I investigate Magna.

Town can elct who they want for executioner.

3.Quilford is town but not miller. Executioner can kill me. I am prwtty sure this wont happen though.



Also acumhunter, youve done very little to support me today. I was one of your biggest scum reads before i claimed cop.

[Cosca]

Scumhunter flips scum and what does Cosca want to happen? Not the death of the person the now more or less confirmed Cop has a guilty on (Quilford) but the person that scum faked a Guilty on.

The person that was bussed all along and is therefore scum with Scumhunter. We actually had some arguments for that but you decided to clip them and go OMG SCUM instead.

1. First he needs more input.
2. Then he calls him Town.
3. When pressure builds on Scumhunter suddenly he backtracks and finds Scumhunter scummy.
4. Now he's building an elaborately absurd scenario about bussing between Scumhunter and I.

1. Scumhunter hadn't posted by that time when we posted our first "need more input" read.
2. Which was based on his posting behavior.
3. We didn't backtrack, we called him scummy because he committed a scum-tell. And we did that BEFORE most of the town considered him scummy.
4. You say it's absurd, we say it's real. And we have arguments to show for that.

Also it's interesting that you don't actually answer our points: you don't say why you backtracked regarding the executioner, or why you suddenly support Quilford's execution instead of Scumhunter's. You just take one quote out of our post, post a summary that's somewhere in between "heavily tilted to your side" and "lying" and go OMG SCUM again.

@Cosca

- Same question to you as I put to Scumhunter - please explain my motivation to NOT kill either claimed PowerRoles N1.

WIFOM. You wanted to gain town cred, and both SK and CC are excellent targets for mis-executions.

If Quilford flips scum, I'm fine with night executioner votes going to Zang.

Zang, assuming you are telling the truth, please please consider not executing me tonight assuming Quilford flips scum. I'm fine with being checked, in fact I encourage you to do so, and if you still don't believe me tomorrow when you get an innocent we can deal with it then.

Please, please consider that I will have another report tomorrow. Note the support I'm giving you today Zang please. Things will be a lot clearer tomorrow. A doctor/1-shot doctor any sort of protective role needs to be on Zang tonight assuming Quilford is scum, which I'm pretty sure he is. I can't emphasize this enough.

Why do you want Quilford executed when you have a guilty on MoI?

Hey MoI, want a Voting Bloc?
Cosca's latest post is just so much bullshit.

Strong points, excellent job SK, any reason why you are so confident in MoI being town that you are willing to form a voting block with him?

[Scumhunter]

Zang, I believe you are town. Please don't execute me tonight. Please!

[SleepyKrew]

So this shit is going down.
Zang is killing Quil today (claim!).
If scum or miller, Zang kills Scumhunter tonight (protect Zang!).
If Quil is town, we elect (Scumhunter?) at night to kill Zang/MoI, kill the other the next day.
Is this correct?

Fun fact: This is the game I've made the most empty promises in.

PEDIT: Unlike most people in this game, he's actually competent. I can only hope he's competentown.
PEDIT 2: whoa whoa whoa

New suggestion (someone mightve already said it): If Quil is scum or miller, we shoot MoI tonight to confirm Scumhunter.

[Cosca]

So this shit is going down.
Zang is killing Quil today (claim!).
If scum or miller, Zang kills Scumhunter tonight (protect Zang!).
If Quil is town, we elect (Scumhunter?) at night to kill Zang/MoI, kill the other the next day.
Is this correct?

Fun fact: This is the game I've made the most empty promises in.

PEDIT: Unlike most people in this game, he's actually competent. I can only hope he's competentown.
PEDIT 2: whoa whoa whoa

New suggestion (someone mightve already said it): If Quil is scum or miller, we shoot MoI tonight to confirm Scumhunter.

Bad idea. Not executing either Scumhunter or MoI today means both are alive during the night and can try to get night executioner for scum. We're down two town so it could very well be that scum controls the night executioner if we don't day execute scum today.

[Zang]

Scumhunter, didnt yo say tha you were willing to sacrifice yourself to kill magna.

Sk, id rather investigat Magna and shoot scumhunter

[implosion]

This is turning into a mindfuck.

I believe quilford's miller claim. I also believe Zang's cop claim. I want scumhunter dead now. I like cosca's plan, actually.

Implosion, you really think I'm this suicidal as scum? You were going to be the executioner and as far as I could tell you were listening to me and generally agreeing with my scum reads or at least listening to me (which really is a huge step up to 75% of the game here). I was in no fear of being killed today with you as executioner as far as I could tell. What scum motivation would I have for outing a guilty on the hardest player to lynch in the game when I previously wasn't too worried about dying but now am likely to be killed. None. Zilch.

The town motivation is obvious. This is the only way I can get MoI lynched, very likely with the cost of my own life.

I said that I had mixed reads on you, and there was a lot of anti-you sentiment floating around. I would likely listen to the consensus if elected unless it wanted me to lynch a townread. As for scum motivation; if magna is town, well, you could be trying TO lynch that hardest person in the game to lynch, or again it could be a bus. Cosca also explained how a bus could make sense.

I'm quite sure he's scum and I've been so for some time, but I really had to be sure and was just covering my bases. That cautiousness is a town tell.

But this directly contradicts what you've been saying about magna up until now... you never called him a scumread, if you had reason to believe he was scum, why would you not have put him in a scum category. It doesn't make sense.

I think implosion is on to something about MoI's immediate reaction to turn this into a 1v1 deal him vs me is his fear that any town exectioner would play it cautious and err with the side of a cop's guilty on d2 even if they thought I was lying. By putting himself out there right now at this very instant, he is leveraging all this town credit he has built all game for the opportunity to kill the cop. DON'T LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT.

But you agreed with him...

I’m willing to support execution of Quilford or Scumhunter. I have a solid Town read on Zang and Quilford’s late Miller claim is bunk. Scumhunter needs to die since he’s clearly fake-claiming scum who accomplished what he wanted to – getting the Cop to out himself.

So magna might be scum. :\. And quilford is town. Implying a 1v1 with quilford and zang after quilford has claimed miller is either stupid or a scum move - and supporting zang for executioner when he's indicated intent to lynch not-confscum-from-your-point-of-view quilford over confscum-from-your-point-of-view scumhunter, ESPECIALLY after your capslock notice me spiel about how we must only lynch you or scumhunter.

But I still think the way to go would be scumhunter... and here's why.

Zang is town. Zang is the most town person in this game because:
1) the person that he inspected claimed miller
2) he was a counter-claimant in a situation where counterclaiming would just complicate things for scum
3) I have a town read on him irrespective of his claim.

Based on 1) there are a few possibilities:
a) Zang town, quilford town. This is what i believe.
b) zang town, quilford scum, obviously also very possible, but i have a townread on quilford and he looks like he has sufficient reason to withhold a miller claim.
c) zang scum, quilford town. This would imply either a mafia role cop who got very lucky inspecting a miller, or a very lucky guess, both of which i somewhat doubt (see 3)
d) both scum. Just not willing to believe this since they're both strong townreads.

Zang scum makes almost no sense at this point, hence, scumhunter needs to die. Two cops is unlikely, i think. I doubt there are sanity mechanics in play, just because they're rare.

Zang: would you be willing to kill SH over quilford?

[vezokpiraka]

We killed the one confirmed scum Quilford.

Then at night someone kills the other semi confirmed scum Scumhunter.

Please tell me why this sin;t the best plan?

[Cosca]

We killed the one confirmed scum Quilford.

Then at night someone kills the other semi confirmed scum Scumhunter.

Please tell me why this sin;t the best plan?

Bad idea. Not executing either Scumhunter or MoI today means both are alive during the night and can try to get night executioner for scum. We're down two town so it could very well be that scum controls the night executioner if we don't day execute scum today.

Scumhunter is much more likely to be scum (with partners, i.e. not a traitor or an SK) than Quilford.

[Scumhunter]

Cosca, you are forgetting one critical piece here, the part where I'm town and Quilford is scum.

SK, I don't want MoI or me executed tonight tbh. I'm still considering the possibility of myself being insane/paranoid at this point in time. Particularly because MoI is fine with Quilford being executed instead of me today. Zang's claim is so believable to the point that even I believe him and I'm a cop. I know some of you find that unbelievable, but I have played literally thousands of games of mafia and I am willing to trust my read here that Zang isn't lying.

Moi, Please, please if you are town consider the possibility that I could be town here. From what I hear you are quite a competent player, so please please if you are town, reread me again just from teh perspective that I'm 100% confirmed town. Thinking "its impossible for there to be 2 cops" is just silly as all hell. It would be so unbalanced omg! No, not really, because 99% of people on here have the mindset its impossible for 2 cops to be in a setup and one will almost always be lynched. I'm real and I think Zang is real. I'm willing to think outside the box here, if you are worth the reptutation you have seem to amassed on this site, you'd consider the possibility I could be town here. I'm skeptical that I will be lucky enough that you are both town and will consider this appeal seriously, but don't say I didn't try to talk sense into you after the game if you are town.

[Scumhunter]

Yes implosion, I was willing to sacrifice to kill MoI, that was before Zang claimed though. I believe Zang. I also know I'm a cop. Yea. Please trust me on this at least for today. Quilford's claim is bs.

I will lmfao if Quilford is a miller and Zang is a role cop. Then this game will have been officially fucked.

[Tragedy]

Wait Quilford, you have

other

powers as a Miller?
Really?

[Scumhunter]

But Mr. Miller, your own claimed role suggests mechanics that would undermine the utility of cop reports.

Doesn't mean there would be two sane cops.

I think one of you is paranoid or insane.

This.

I think MoI is scum, not just based on the report though.

I don't think it would be one of those fucked up 4-cop setups. I feel there would be more flavor hints towards that if that were the case. If there are any other cop claims, I think they should claim now though.

Given this information, who do you want to lynch Quilford?

You.

There's no way this game contains more than one cop, and Zang seems pretty legit to me.

Followed by this is a slip. Quilford let it slip that I'm either paranoid/insane. That's what is going on right here in my opinion.

"One of you is either paranoid or insane" : That would mean me obviously since to him, the miller, Zang would obviously be the sane cop if he were telling the truth.

I mean Jesus, I see why people are suspicious of me but not really sure what I can do here. Please be open minded. I'm telling the truth.

Quilford's miller claim is bs. Even noobs know to claim miller d1 in a game like this. I've seen Quilford ICing newbie games. He aint no noob

Zang, et al. please for the love of god give me the benefit of severe severe doubt just for today.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hey MoI, want a Voting Bloc?
Cosca's latest post is just so much bullshit.

Sure, I guess. Given this game is a reverse style voting system it kind of takes the usefulness out.
But I'm game.

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The person that was bussed all along and is therefore scum with Scumhunter. We actually had some arguments for that but you decided to clip them and go OMG SCUM instead.

The clarity of the above sentence is not high. I’m not sure what exactly you are saying here.

Also it's interesting that you don't actually answer our points: you don't say why you backtracked regarding the executioner, or why you suddenly support Quilford's execution instead of Scumhunter's. You just take one quote out of our post, post a summary that's somewhere in between "heavily tilted to your side" and "lying" and go OMG SCUM again.

Regarding your so called back-track – it wasn’t one. I was clarifying what I wrote. Funny that everytime the accusation is levelled at you it isn’t a valid but when you fire it off it is a Black Letter scumtell.

I would support Quilford being executed over Scumhunter because –

1. I had a Zang Town read and believe his claim.
2. Quilford pulled the “I’m a Miller” after the Cop claim. That’s scum play. Even if he had other powers he should have claimed just the miller portion Day 1 immediately.
3. Zang being more or less confirmed with a Quil scum flip also confirms Scumhunter as almost certainly scum to everyone not just me.

That doesn't mean I don't want Scumhunter killed. But if more players I have Town reads on want to go with Quilford I will.

I note with interest you dodge completely that your reasoning for killing me over the Cop claimed Guilty in the circumstance that Scumhunter flippd scum is so scummy it hurts.

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So magna might be scum. :\. And quilford is town. Implying a 1v1 with quilford and zang after quilford has claimed miller is either stupid or a scum move - and supporting zang for executioner when he's indicated intent to lynch not-confscum-from-your-point-of-view quilford over confscum-from-your-point-of-view scumhunter, ESPECIALLY after your capslock notice me spiel about how we must only lynch you or scumhunter.

1. There is not a single good reason for Quilford Town to have withheld a Miller claim until after a Guilty claim. None.
2. Zang’s counterclaim of known to me liar Scumhunter means that he’s Town FMPOV and thus his investigation is correct. I don’t see why you have a hard time getting that. It doesn't mean that I don't want Scumhunter dead. It simply means that Quilford is another good choice.

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Moi, Please, please if you are town consider the possibility that I could be town here.

Before I do anything I need a reasonable answer to the following question –

How am I to believe your claim that you think Zang is Town given the following posts you made today before he counter-claimed you?

Obvious Town: Quilford (close to 100%), implosion,
Other town reads from strongest to weakest: CC, Cosca, Tragedy, Vezok
Null/Suspicious of: MoI
Incredibly Anti-Town (unsure if this = scum): SK
Scum: Zang, Jason

For those of you who think Zang is town. His quote walls really say a whole lot of nothing to be honest. At first glance it looks like he is saying things but really its mostly useless chatter to me anyways.

Here you call Quilford obv-Town and Zang scum. You give reasonings why you beleive your read on Zang is correct.

Zang, your posts say a whole lot of nothing though, even those big walls that you seem to have gotten town cred for. I'll admit most of my scum read on you is gut and the tone of your posts makes me go mehhhhhhh quite a bit, but it is possible I'm just not familiar enough with your play style. I may see if I can dig up a few of your games to see how you play a bit better.

Quil, not understanding your points system at all. Don't think its all that helpful either. You'd be better served using your time questioning people more in my opinion.

These people you will not lynch under any circumstances:
Quilford
Implosion
Tragedy

Jason is probably still scum.

Zeng too.

So Quilford is still lock Town and Zang is still likely scum.

That’s everything you said before Zang’s claim. So explain to me how a scum read of yours counterclaims your role and claims a Guilty on you rock Solid Town read of yours and you pretty much instantly do a 180 and reverse your reads on both.

I don’t see that coming from Town.

Plus we have the following –

But Mr. Miller, your own claimed role suggests mechanics that would undermine the utility of cop reports.

You suddenly attack someone for suggesting role mechancis that undercut Cop investigation when you trotted out Framer immediately in your claim.

Do you not understand how that doesn’t look to come from a Town perspective?

[Scumhunter]

Tragedy, I'm town. Please believe me. I wouldn't lie to you. Maybe to these asshats, but not to you

I'm serious! I know you can't believe me now just on that but -_______-

[Tragedy]

But I think Implosion would make the best choice of the executioner.
Zang would obviously kill SH or Quilford, while SH would want to kill Zang or MoI.
But Implosion should decide among Quilford or MoI, because... I don't know. It sounds too bias if you just let Zang/SH take care of the executions of their own Guilty Reports from 'em.
Yeah, Implosion should decide.

[Scumhunter]

Tragedy, I would not kill Zang (nor MoI probably) at this time.

If I were given the execution power (which I realize I won't be), I would execute Quilford. His claim is bs.

MoI, I promise to have thorough explanations to all of your questions tomorrow. All I ask is that when Quilford flips scum, the protective role must be on Zang, and that I can explain all my actions tomorrow. If you are not satisfied by my answers tomorrow by all means go ahead and lynch me then. Please trust me on this?

[Zang]

I dont really care who is elected executioner but whoever is should listen to the town. Like yesterday, we should have everybody list out of quilford/scumhunter who they want executed and the other will be executed tonight

[Quilford]

It was not a slip, for fuck's sake. I was typing under the hypothetical that you were both actually cops.

@SK: When you say 'papers', are you referring to 'important U.S. documents'?

[Quilford]

Quilford's miller claim is bs. Even noobs know to claim miller d1 in a game like this. I've seen Quilford ICing newbie games. He aint no noob

I have

never

IC'd a Newbie game.

[Quilford]

The thread about millers: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15940

The game: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=17365

This is why I did not claim miller.

I *really* do not think it could be more obvious that Scumhunter is scum.

[Quilford]

Tragedy, I'm town. Please believe me. I wouldn't lie to you. Maybe to these asshats, but not to you

I'm serious! I know you can't believe me now just on that but -_______-

Are you kidding me?!