ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

[ooba]

Vote Count

Not Voting (5)

- Thor665, Magua, Nexus, SpyreX, Espeonage

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch!

[Magua]

Ok, seriously, what the fuck.

There's no recruiter. I see zero way in which there is a recruiter in this game. There's some other recruiting mechanic, but it's not a person with a role.

Can't be two mafia or the game would be over.

So one mafia -- Thor or Nexus.
Espeonage.
SpyreX is pretty sure town now, because I see no way that he wouldn't've won by recruiting otherwise.

99% that I want to lynch Espeonage today.

[Thor665]

Isn't an Espeonage lynch only a good idea if he is Mafia? Or are you claiming him as the obv. buddy? If he's obv. buddy then...wtf on his role.
Also - cult can't recruit normally or they are dorkhats because they didn't recruit me.

So threats are;

Mafia
SK?
Cult

SK is a big threat if he can kill, but if he can kill than really we're already in a kingmaker between him and scum. If he can't kill then basically we're setting him up for a kingmaker between cult and scum with him as the maker.
Also, Magua - if you're claiming SPy as town and you as town than...what, Espeonage recruiter who hasn't recruited anyone? Seriously?

[Magua]

I'm saying that if there's one mafia (and I believe there's only one mafia, otherwise, lulz, game would be over -- two mafia have no incentive to shoot Espeonage or NK, and one of those two things happened) then we can take the sure lynch on Espeonage over the 50/50 lynch on you/Nexus.

Also, Magua - if you're claiming SPy as town and you as town than...what, Espeonage recruiter who hasn't recruited anyone? Seriously?

Since you're so dismissive of this, I'd *loooove* to hear your counter-theory that has SpyreX as not-Town. SpyreX is a cult recruiter who hasn't recruited you? I mean, that's what you have to be selling.

I don't think there's a recruiter at this point. I think the cult gains members through some other unknown mechanic.

[Espeonage]

It is LyLo. If there are two cut people I lose if there aren't Scum has to be lynched. Short and Long. Scum has to be lynched.

Vote: Thor

That may seem weird but spending time debating today will do nothing. None of this makes sense so I do what I always do in LyLo and vote my biggest town read.

[Magua]

Espeonage.

Answer my goddamn questions.

1) What's your win condition, exactly?

2) Were you provided Warrior as a fakeclaim? Did the fakeclaim specify exact abilities, or was it just "You know that Embodiment of the Warrior is not in this game"?

3) How come you did a Night-kill on LB instead of Daykilling him?

[SpyreX]

...

I expected many bad outcomes from Locke being town which still is mind boggling.

THIS I didn't expect.

Magua put on your thinking cap for a second: in a large would a three scum team be 'balanced' if they had access to additional kills? I'm puzzling through something.

I would be floored even more than Locke being town if Thor was scum.

[Magua]

Fuck if I know. Nothing about this setup has made sense after D3.

If you're asking me because you're trying to float Espeonage-as-scum, no, I don't buy it. That would mean that Espeonage-as-last-mafia had to have NK'ed last night, which I'm so not seeing.

Working assumption is that mafia shot Espeonage, and Espeonage is bulletproof SK.

Why mafia would shoot Espeonage over *you* is an interesting, albeit separate, topic.

[Magua]

That would mean that Espeonage-as-last-mafia had to have NK'ed last night, which I'm so not seeing.

EBWOP: That's NK as in "not killed."

[SpyreX]

I was CERTAIN Locke was going to be scum.

With that out of the picture either the recruiting mechanic makes no sense OR every single one of you is not town.

My thought process was as such: with Emp coming out tracking Esp and us having to bag scum if he legitimately tracked a partners kill on a night with two mafia kills....

We'd never ever lynch Esp because that should be a loss.

If Espeonage is a bulletproof SK why hold the shot? NO NK's is what has me paranoid.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: Spy

He is scum. There is no other explaination.

[Magua]

If there's two mafia, regardless of whether that mafia group contains Espeonage, then they shoot anyone but Espeonage. Anyone at all. And they win.

So there's not two mafia left. There's one mafia left.

Then there's Espeonage, our claimed SK.

So just going with that, to win, we have to lynch Espeonage and lynch the mafia.

There may be some cult role out there. DUNNO. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A GODDAMN RECRUITER AT THIS POINT. But we've only got two lynches. So tough shit there. We can't lynch any cult.

I am very much of the persuasion that we lynch Espeonage, who is 99% not mafia but 100% not town, and then mafia shoots someone and we have a nice three way lylo tomorrow.

PEDIT: ESPEONAGE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS HOW IS THIS HARD?

[Espeonage]

Because I don't know if you are scum.

[Magua]

HOFJASDLGHJSDVKLSDL:VJSGL:SDKJG"

HOW DOES THAT EVEN MATTER?

[Espeonage]

OMG I JUST WORKED OUT THE SETUP.

[Magua]

OMG KINDLY FUCKING SHARE

AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS TOO

[Espeonage]

Spy has to die today.

[Magua]

You're going to find that difficult to arrange with me voting you.

[SpyreX]

If they saw esp perform a kill they would have shot esp to win?

3 scum makes things make more sense NOW but from a balance perspective against a cult in a large?

Of course part of me goes "AGM was the only 'cult' and was really a survivor" which both makes me laugh and is really doubtful.

Ok, SK throwing a vote down NOW makes even less sense.

[Magua]

Where'd you get AGM being a survivor from?

Espeonage's entire play after his claim makes no sense.

[SpyreX]

In trying to figure out what the hell is going on here I had a moment of:

Ooba said there is a cult in this game.
AGM flipped Cult Recruit.
This game is bananas.

So, if there was no actual can-cult cult and AGM was the only one it'd be like a survivor and that made me laugh.

I doubt that's the case though and just shared it as one of the more bastard thoughts ever.

[SpyreX]

But don't focus on that part talk to me about the OTHER parts there.

[Magua]

Er. Which part? 3 scum doesn't make sense, no. I saw Locke's flip and figured it was game over. But that's what we have to work with.

If Espeonage doesn't bother to answer my questions, I'll vote him and move on from there.

I simply have no clue with the cult. Massclaim was D5, and Empking was even claimed before N5, so N5, N6, N7 and there is for sure 10000000% not 3 cult or, again, game would be over. There is some mechanic where eithe rthe choices are predetermined, or it's not an every Night thing. My current theory is that there was a list compiled pregame about who would be targetted every Night, and most of those people simply wound up dead. But it's just a theory, and not a particularly good one.

[Thor665]

Hey Espeo, I'm here and posting while you have a vote on Spy.
Feel free to move your reaction test along.

[Nexus]

WHY ARE WE NOT LYNCHING THE CONFIRMED NON-TOWN IN ESPEONAGE?

Like seriously, we have nothing else to go on. Espeonage has admitted to not being pro-town.

Please, someone explain it to my simple brain. If we lynch Espeonage, then that'll leave some combination of cult/town/mafia which could be 1/3/0 2/2/0 2/1/1 or some other variation. At least then one variable is eliminated, no?