Hello everyone, Shift here, this will be my first post as the rest are from Regfan. I'll be signing my posts, not sure what Reg will be doing.
Packbat wrote:First: I'm finding this entire game incredibly frustrating, primarily because there is essentially no town for any townie to count on - half the players in the game are scum, so it's a bear trying to get a sense of what the real townies are thinking.
Second: I think Shadow Dancer has the right of it. If the Mafia have no reads on the townies to go by, then the Mafia can't nominate scummy townspeople or towny scum.
Shadow and Pack, here's what you're not getting. It is much, much harder to fake multiple reads as scum than just choosing 1 campaigner to call scum and another to call town. Giving reads as you get them locks scum in. What you're suggesting is that we let them change their stance whenever they feel like it because town never forced them to take one. It is much easier to distance and get free townie points this way, and much easier to get a miselect this way. Linking through interactions will be nearly impossible
And Packbat, how do you expect to get strong town reads if we let scum just pick and choose when and where to take their stance? Demanding stances early before elections corners them. They cannot call someone scum and then change their opinion when their scumread is getting elected. They cannot call someone town and then vote for the other person. The sooner we corner scum the better, and we do this by forcing them to take stances.
Argument that "Everyone will be null at campaign time, reducing scum advantage" is also ridiculous. You are proposing that we have a better chance to win as town if we take a 50/50 with almost no info on either of the campaigners than when we get townreads and scumreads. The only info we get in Shadow's plan is their stance on previous elects, which it's easy for scum to distance well but it's just as likely that a townie guessed right. They are your town reads and scum reads
for a reason.
If you can't put any trust in your reads mafia is not the game for you. You're (Packbat) complaining that you're not able to get a strong town read at the same time as advocating an idea that ensures you will not be able to get a reliable read for the rest of the game. I want an explanation.
-Shift
There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.
