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Post Post #1575 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:15 am

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diddin wrote:
chkflip wrote:
NanookTheWolf wrote:
diddin wrote:Nanook isn't scum, I'd rather go for jmurph.

unvote, Vote: jmurph


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Every post that included a vote for me doesn't even have a reason. I don't care what happened yesterday, but today if you want me to respond, give me something to respond to. Votes by themselves will not do it.

Aren't you a classy scummer? "YEAH THE COUNTERWAGON IS SCUMS GUIEZ NOT ME~"

VOTE: NTW

I don't buy it.

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Sup, bro? I'm working on a round of personalized questions so I can catch-up a little better. What're you up to?


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Post Post #1576 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:56 am

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Vote Count 3-2


bobsnox
(0)-
Blonde Doctor
(0)-
chkflip
(0)-
DeathNote
(0)-
diddin
(0)-
farside22
(0)-
Flavour Analysis
(0)-
inHimshallibe
(0)-
jmurph3
(2)- diddin, Rainbowdash,
mikehart
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NanookTheWolf
(4)- SpyreX, TheJakalope, jmurph3, chkflip,
Oversoul
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PeregrineV
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petroleumjelly
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Rainbowdash
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Ray Montano
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Silver1337
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SpyreX
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TheJakalope
(3)- Flavour Analysis, farside22, Ray Montano,


Not Voting (10)- bobsnox, Blonde Doctor, DeathNote, inHimshallibe, mikehart, NanookTheWolf, Oversoul, PeregrineV, petroleumjelly, Silver1337,

With 19 alive, it's 10 to a lynch.

Deadline is September 10th at 3pm EST.




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Post Post #1577 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:01 am

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Was the glow kill probably a vig kill? Why only one?
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Post Post #1578 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:49 pm

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I don't think Nanook is town tho. So you're gonna have to tell us sometime.

Also guys, Beefster is town. How many times do I have to say this.

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Post Post #1579 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:03 pm

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Apologies for the slight wall; lots to respond to.

DeathNote wrote:Was the glow kill probably a vig kill? Why only one?


Well, either the vig kill was blocked, and glow was the scum kill, or the scum kill was blocked, and glow was the vig kill. What difference does it make to you?

farside22 wrote:Diddin: Any reason you are voting Murph there?
I know I had a scum read on him when I was reading over some players last night.
Mostly the defense of Umbrage and DJ and not saying much going on in the game.


When did I defend DJ?

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: I want you to look at Beefster's #962, and tell me what that makes you think of him. Also consider that he plays the same way regardless of alignment.


It's probably the most town thing he posted during his entire time here, but one post does not make him town. And if he plays the same as town or scum, what makes you so sure that he's town, and not scum? I don't believe I've seen an explanation of this from you.

Rainbowdash wrote:Jmurph has the two random votes, the fact that his vote landed on Beefy and then stayed there for reasons that he never elaborated on but mentioned existed.


Pretty sure I explained that. The random vote on Beefster was because he lied, and I wanted to point that out. I kept my vote on him because he brushed it off in a manner that rubbed me the wrong way, and nothing he said after that merited a vote-switch.

Rainbowdash wrote:He makes what looks like a case on Umbrage, but then brushes him off as a VI using some other ponies logic for calling him such, and instead latching onto DJ for a one liner. While continuing to subtely push the Beefy lynch along, calling Umbrage a VI and jumping on the Peregrine hate. Its worth noting that Peregrine is likely town here.


I honestly thought that Umbrage was playing as a VI. It was completely my mistake for assuming that this then meant he was town. VI is almost always town simply because it's too risky for scum to pull it off (since VI almost always gets lynched fairly quickly to get him out of the game). This is why I was only marginally on the Umbrage wagon; I thought him likely to flip town, and wanted to keep options open for actually finding someone who was actually town. Not sure what you mean by Peregrine being likely town and my reaction, since I was hardly the only one who felt that way about Peregrine at the time.

Rainbowdash wrote:Now he is voting NtW who I suddenly have reason to think is town.


And it'd be real lovely if you could share those reasons.

NanookTheWolf wrote:Jmurph - I didn't suspect anything of Jmurph until just recently. Lurker, sure. Otherwise everything was good until #1537. She's sheeping and it's day 3. Never ever mentioned at any point in the game that she thought I was scum. Suddenly she votes because I never gave any satisfactory answers for inconsistencies and suchforth? That is crap. What were the questions Jmurph? If you thought this during day 2, then why not mention it? If you did a reread through the night, why not add a better reason to your vote?


Did you miss the part where I was V/LA for almost all of the incredibly short D2? I actually didn't even know a lynch had been reached until I found the thread locked and went forward to the last page. I hadn't caught up in time to make any comments, and I don't think a better reason for my vote was necessary, since my vote was a pressure vote.

As a pressure vote, I feel its mission has been accomplished. NtW isn't cleared in my book by any means, but his reaction has been well enough to alleviate the need for a vote on him. As such, UNVOTE: .
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Post Post #1580 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:08 pm

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Jmurph, I explained around the time I claimed. I'll explain again.

He saw my joke crumb, and most likely thought I was a cop. As you can tell, his wholleeeee post was weird and strange. I didn't expect that. Then lolz it hit me. Him going "i was an idiot..." twice, TWICE, makes me feel he was attacking the wrong person, and he was. Thus, that was a TOWN reaction, and I felt SOOO much town from that. As you can see, he even sheeped a vote from me.

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Post Post #1581 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:24 pm

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Or rather, him going "I'm in idiot" makes me think he realized that I must have been a cop, but I wasn't. :P What matters is, his WHOLE reaction was a bit iffy. "Your defense is that of town alignment" I don't think he'd let it go that easily.

Plus, if he WAS scum, he'd have told his buddies. I wasn't nk'd, so obv he's town unless his buddies [if he's scum] r dumb.

Now what do YOU think?
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Post Post #1582 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:27 pm

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Hey Jakalope. What are your thoughts on Rainbow?
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Post Post #1583 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:34 pm

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@FA: That makes sense. I had honestly missed that entire discussion (mostly because I didn't go far enough back to see what it was in response to). I still don't think he's as town as you do, but it's enough for me to take a step back and reevaluate things.
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Post Post #1584 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:36 pm

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: Ak ok, let me know what you get when you look at it again.

Hey Rainbow. Can you run by your read on farside to me again? Thanks in advance.
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Post Post #1585 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:51 pm

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Flavour Analysis wrote:Hey Rainbow. Can you run by your read on farside to me again? Thanks in advance.


Probably town, stronger then most of my town reads at this point.
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Post Post #1586 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:21 pm

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Flavour Analysis wrote:@
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: Ak ok, let me know what you get when you look at it again.

Hey Rainbow. Can you run by your read on farside to me again? Thanks in advance.


Hey can you tell me your read on others beside beef and jak at this point?

Also NtW I asked you a question about FA you never answered.

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Also guys, Beefster is town. How many times do I have to say this.


How many times did I say Glow was town. Look to my sig for how I feel about your judgement calls right about now. :mrgreen:
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Post Post #1587 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:24 pm

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Sorry Murph I had thought it was defending both Umbrage and DJ but here was my note on you when I read during the night.

jmurph3 (I don't like jmurphs defense of Umbrage and pushing of DJ over Umbrage over and over). Really has not contributed much to this game of value.


Also what is with pressure votes and then unvoting? Do you have anyone else you find scummy at this point and why?
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Post Post #1588 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:16 pm

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Ok so I am going to claim since I had quite a bit of info at this point that needs to be brought out there.

I am a neighbor in a three person neighborhood, but this is a special neighborhood since we have a joint vig ability and day talk. Each of us submits a kill and the mod randomly selects one of us to have the kill go through. All three of us targeted Bogre N1, that kill was us. Now is where things get interesting, NtW is one of the neighbors. Last night me and the other neighbor both targeted NtW for the kill, switching it off our other target within 24 hours of deadline.

There was no kill though. NtW claims to have tried to kill bob, which he was pushing for N1 but we decided to all submit the same kill eventually.

Thing is, I see no kill as a tell in his favor for being town. With everything regarding killing NtW happening right before deadline, I am not sure scum would have had time to react. Thing is though, even if scum knew that we were going to kill NtW and had time to adjust, the only way to for sure shut down that kill would have been to have a scum doc that protected him. If they wanted to RB me or my partner, there still would have been a 1/3 chance that the kill went through on him, hence all my comments about scum needing to have been gambling for NtW to be scum. Most likely I think is that scum picked up on me crumbing hard, RBed me and I got picked to do the vig, hence no kill.

At this point, I think all of us are town again, like I had for most of the first day. Its also part of what I was talking about with two teams, since I couldn't believe two scum of different factions being in there with me, and couldn't see how one balances out. Even now though, I do not see how it balances well with scum in there, and I do think that NtW is town off the WIFOM that was created from that.

To tl;dr it

I am a vig-neighbor who can daytalk with NtW and ???

N1 the entire group killed Bogre, this means that most likely all scum kills were blocked
N2 no kill happened. NtW said he killed bob. Me and neighbor #2 tried to kill NtW. No kill went through.

To note we DO have a small conditional that needs to be accomplished during the day phase for our power to be activated, which is why I kept trying to slow wagons down near the end of the day. Its fairly easy to get done, but if stuff happens too fast we can miss it.
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Post Post #1589 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:52 pm

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Farside
: Jakalope, Nanook, Rainbow, you, and bob are scum.

CLAIM TIME. I'm actually a joat. I wouldn't have claimed 1 shot vig like that, but I was outed by Fourseen. >_> All my abilities are one shot. :mrgreen:

Rainbow, I jail kept you. My options were: Rainbow, Jmurph, and Spy. Then narrowed it down to [Rainbow, Jmurph], and chose you. I was choosing suspects that were least suspicious, yet if I was wrong, you'd also be protected as a side effect.

Rainbow, how would you feel about being copped, or Nanook?
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Post Post #1590 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:06 pm

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Also, Char claim?
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Post Post #1591 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:35 pm

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If you're going to claim JOAT, you might as well throw in a character.

Same with you Rainbow.

I'm going to try to post as often as I can, but High School starts tomorrow. Just letting everyone know in advance.
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Post Post #1592 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:41 pm

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@Jakalope: We already claimed Woody, Day 2.
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Post Post #1593 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:44 pm

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@FA - I would prefer to get somepony else confirmed town then myself since I think that I can prove it through actions before game ends, but I would be happy getting NtW copped since it would finally get him out of the lynch pool or clear me and my other neighbor by association.

For character I am one of the Aliens, we use the claw to vig ponies. Oooooooo the clawwwww.
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Post Post #1594 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:45 pm

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Flavour Analysis wrote:
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: Jakalope, Nanook, Rainbow, you, and bob are scum.

CLAIM TIME. I'm actually a joat. I wouldn't have claimed 1 shot vig like that, but I was outed by Fourseen. >_> All my abilities are one shot. :mrgreen:

Rainbow, I jail kept you. My options were: Rainbow, Jmurph, and Spy. Then narrowed it down to [Rainbow, Jmurph], and chose you. I was choosing suspects that were least suspicious, yet if I was wrong, you'd also be protected as a side effect.

Rainbow, how would you feel about being copped, or Nanook?


fuckin saw the JOAT claim A MILE AWAY

I don't really think Rainbow is telling the truth.
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Post Post #1595 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:46 pm

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diddin wrote:I don't really think Rainbow is telling the truth.


So the arguement is im scum that is going to have scum partner NtW, and if needed a third partner back up my claim that decided to kill Bogre of all ponies N1?
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Post Post #1596 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:48 pm

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Nah, I'm just almost certain there is at least 1 scum in your neighborhood.
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Post Post #1597 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:53 pm

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diddin wrote:Nah, I'm just almost certain there is at least 1 scum in your neighborhood.


See thats what I was thinking for a little too yesterday, hence trying to get NtW vigged. However I really don't think the chances of that are too high for a few reasons. First is balance, how do you balance scum that is supposed to act like a vig but only has a one in three chance of actually having a kill happen that can be on anypony at the risk of outting somepony in the group as scum? Its hard to balance.

Also the result from last night, although if town blocked me it does detract heavily from the NtW protecting I have been doing since I was thinking that in order chances were me/parter got blocked by scum, NtW blocked by town, NtW saved by doc. My other partner I have as a town read though, so I really don't think there is scum in the group. I almost wish there are so it can get cleared from it, but I don't think there is.
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Post Post #1598 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:57 pm

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role stuff points against that
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Post Post #1599 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:03 pm

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Flavour Analysis wrote:
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: Jakalope, Nanook, Rainbow, you, and bob are scum.


And yet your reasoning's are still missing. I get Jak, hell even I have a scum read on Nanook and bob. But Rainbow and myself. Are you still up in the ass about me calling you out and looking at you as scummy?
Oh wait my town read on Glow as crap, right?

What is your thought now with Rainbow's claim on NtW?

diddin wrote:Nah, I'm just almost certain there is at least 1 scum in your neighborhood.


This was my thought process.
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