Execution Mafia: Days of the Cold War GAMEOVER

[Scumhunter]

Hurry up someone hammer Zang so I can be done with this shit game. I don't even know why I waste my breath trying to convince you guys. Y'all are so set in your ways its like trying to convince a fundamentalist Christian not to be homophobic.

[Cosca]

See … I’m done going round and round with you.

You know what? Then just stop. Stop ignoring our arguments and going "OMG SCUM" without any foundation. Stop giving evasive answers to our questions. Stop lying about your own posts when we quote them. Stop labeling everything and anything under the sun as a scumtell and then committing it yourself.

Just read our posts and give answers relevant to our questions, observations and reads. This is generally known as "pro-town behavior", and you haven't shown any of it today.

EVERYONE TAKE NOTE OF THIS

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Zang is as close to confirmed Town as you get at this point via Dayplay and his counterclaim. Note that Cosca completely ignores this fact (while not disputing it) and pushes against Zang based on his 'reads'. Town should want ‘close to confirmed’ Zang elected Executioner to make the decision.

But then again … Cosca isn’t Town …

It does not matter how much "confirmed town" a candidate for executioner is. This is not LyLo. An executioner who fires wildly in the air signs his own death warrant; scum can only do so much to influence the execution. We have strong townreads on both implosion and Zang. implosion has shown very town play during the day. We didn't like Zang's play that much, but his claim has earned him enough town points to lift him on implosion's level.

Implosion has read our case and wants to follow our plan. Zang considered executing Quilford instead of Scumhunter today (thus making a scum-controlled night execution more likely) and has listed MoI as his strongest townread (though I don't know whether this is current).

It doesn't matter if Zang is town or even confirmed town; he has the potential of being an "useful idiot" for scum, and that's why we don't want him as executioner. It's no coincidence the players on his wagon are himself and the three scummiest players.

Hurry up someone hammer Zang so I can be done with this shit game.

If Scumhunter was merely a fed-up townie, he'd have either called for implosion's hammer (since implosion has pledged to execute him) or anybody's hammer. However, he specifically requests a Zang hammer.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Implosion has read our case and wants to follow our plan. Zang considered executing Quilford instead of Scumhunter today (thus making a scum-controlled night execution more likely) and has listed MoI as his strongest townread (though I don't know whether this is current).

1. Oh, your support of Implosion following your plan is noted. That in itself bolsters my thought that Zang absolutely should be the Executioner since I have a scum read on you and thus any plan you generate probably has Anti-Town consequences.
2. Zang has a guilty on Quilford. Quilford’s late Miller claim is crap. Period. Zang choosing to execute either scum he has a Guilty on or scum who fake-claimed Cop based on the circumstances he sees isn’t a negative Tex (although as I demonstrate later you "he's going to kill Town Quilford" doesn't match up with actual thread posts).
3. Oh … Zang’s read on me (aka not believing your poor ‘case’) is another reason why you don’t want him elected. Since I’m not going to be the Day or Night execution today (that would be Quilford and Scumhunter) why does his read at this juncture matter to you?

It doesn't matter if Zang is town or even confirmed town; he has the potential of being an "useful idiot" for scum, and that's why we don't want him as executioner.

It's no coincidence the players on his wagon are himself and the three scummiest players.

I’ve bolded the rhetoric. Multiple people have shown that your ‘case’ on me doesn’t make a lick of sense. You’ve not said word one about Jason for a significant amount of time. Your ‘read’ on Scumhunter only came after the momentum for him as scum was building strength pre-Fake claim (aka bussing).

Scumtastic.

If Scumhunter was merely a fed-up townie, he'd have either called for implosion's hammer (since implosion has pledged to execute him) or anybody's hammer. However, he specifically requests a Zang hammer.

Look who isn’t reading the thread. Here’s Zang’s latest pronouncement on the subject (from ISO 44)

It shouldnt change anything though. We either kill scumhunter or quilford today and the other tonight.

I would prrefer scumhunter today because of his fakeclaim and just in case Quilford has papers that he is willing to pass on.

When you don’t have to read the thread to know who the scum are (aka your Partners) it is tempting to skim and make up crap to support your ‘position’, isn’t it?

[Cosca]

Quilford’s late Miller claim is crap. Period.

And you know this for sure because ... ?

Zang choosing to execute either scum he has a Guilty on or scum who fake-claimed Cop based on the circumstances he sees isn’t a negative Tex

Of course it's not a negative for scum-MoI.

3. Oh … Zang’s read on me (aka not believing your poor ‘case’) is another reason why you don’t want him elected. Since I’m not going to be the Day or Night execution today (that would be Quilford and Scumhunter) why does his read at this juncture matter to you?

Pretending you're never going to get executed because you're OMG OBVTOWN?

It doesn't matter if Zang is town or even confirmed town; he has the potential of being an "useful idiot" for scum, and that's why we don't want him as executioner.

It's no coincidence the players on his wagon are himself and the three scummiest players.

I’ve bolded the rhetoric. Multiple people have shown that your ‘case’ on me doesn’t make a lick of sense.

Except for the scumspects, I remember only SleepyKrew dismissing our case outright.

You’ve not said word one about Jason for a significant amount of time.

Our read on him hasn't changed.

Your ‘read’ on Scumhunter only came after the momentum for him as scum was building strength pre-Fake claim (aka bussing).

Our read on Scumhunter only came after he

actually posted

.

Scumtastic.

Back to OMG SCUM again?

If Scumhunter was merely a fed-up townie, he'd have either called for implosion's hammer (since implosion has pledged to execute him) or anybody's hammer. However, he specifically requests a Zang hammer.

Look who isn’t reading the thread. Here’s Zang’s latest pronouncement on the subject (from ISO 44)

It shouldnt change anything though. We either kill scumhunter or quilford today and the other tonight.

I would prrefer scumhunter today because of his fakeclaim and just in case Quilford has papers that he is willing to pass on.

When you don’t have to read the thread to know who the scum are (aka your Partners) it is tempting to skim and make up crap to support your ‘position’, isn’t it?

Look who's making up fucktarded reasons for painting the guy who's found him out as scum.

Anyway, here's the summary:
- Scumhunter has claimed he doesn't want to be in the game any more.
- implosion has pledged to day-execute Scumhunter.
- Zang has pledged to day-execute either Quilford or Scumhunter, with a preference of Scumhunter.
- Yet, Scumhunter specifically requests a Zang hammer.

[MagnaofIllusion]

And you know this for sure because ... ?

I don’t know anything outside my role PM ‘for sure’. Nice strawman. Claiming Miller IN RESPONSE to a guilty claim is scum play a vast majority of the time. If you want to argue this you can … you’d be wrong … but you can.

Of course it's not a negative for scum-MoI.

Pure rhetoric fluffery. Nice.

Pretending you're never going to get executed because you're OMG OBVTOWN?

Another strawman. I’m claiming I’m not going to get executed because we have a Cop Guilty claim on one player and another player who faked a Cop guilty to draw out said Cop.

Keep up with the scummy straw-manning and rhetoric.

Except for the scumspects, I remember only SleepyKrew dismissing our case outright.

Further proof you aren’t bothering to actually read ….

Cosca- your caseon magna makes little sence to me.

Is Zang a suspect? Decide now which way you want to go with this argument. I’m very curious what way it will be.

Our read on Scumhunter only came after he actually posted.

No, it came after he had posted and drawn fire. Here’s your original post where you assess Scumhunter BTW …

Scumhunter read:

I can't follow his Tragedy defense. We still miss a full set of reads from her, and her previous reads are just following the majority town opinion. This does make him suspicious.

On the other hand, his SK read screams town. Scum would, in general, just hammer him and don't consider the "annoying townie" option. Also, his MoI attack is based on flimsy arguments, but attacking him doesn't seem like something scum would do. Scum would concentrate on the easy targets, such as SK, not on MoI.

Leaning town.

This post is after I had badgered you for a Scumhunter read. Note the bolded – you are ‘leaning Town’. This is based on Scumhunter’s posting.

Yet suddenly it swings back to scummy once the pressure mounts on him and you concocted your “Oh, Scumhunter is scum and MoI is clearly scum with him” theory that doesn’t hold water.

[Cosca]

Except for the scumspects, I remember only SleepyKrew dismissing our case outright.

Further proof you aren’t bothering to actually read ….

Cosca- your caseon magna makes little sence to me.

Is Zang a suspect? Decide now which way you want to go with this argument. I’m very curious what way it will be.

See his plan:

I like this Idea better. Cdosca, if scumhunter is scum then magna is much more likely to be town rather then scum doing an elaborate gambit.

Executioner kills Quilford.

1. Quilford is scum thdn the execuriner kills scumhunter and I investigate Magna.

In this situation I would prefer to be the night executionner.

2. Quilford is miller then executioner kills scumhunter and I investigate Magna.

Town can elct who they want for executioner.

3.Quilford is town but not miller. Executioner can kill me. I am prwtty sure this wont happen though.

If he's so convinced our case is crap, why does he want to investigate you?

No, it came after he had posted and drawn fire.

With "drawn fire", you mean your gambit-preparing posts?

Anyway, everybody can see MoI's lie for himself. First content post from Scumhunter #632, our read #667.

This post is after I had badgered you for a Scumhunter read. Note the bolded – you are ‘leaning Town’. This is based on Scumhunter’s posting.

Yet suddenly it swings back to scummy once the pressure mounts on him and you concocted your “Oh, Scumhunter is scum and MoI is clearly scum with him” theory that doesn’t hold water.

We retracted our read in #677 because of a scumtell in #669 (remember: our "leaning town" read was in #667,

before

the scumtell). Explanation here (scroll down). His obvious fakeclaim sealed the deal.

[Zang]

Cosca- Im confuswed. why do you think magna is scum.

xAlso, that plan was before scumhunter admitted to fajeclaiming. I no longer plan to investigate magna.

[Tragedy]

^ Sure. Just ask every one of my ex-girlfriends. Being a liar is a part of my personality. It's not a scum tell!!! LoL. But seriously I am town. Cmon now, I immediately called my cc real as soon as he claimed.

Does Real Life have to be involved into knowing your meta? Nope.

Trying to AtE into innocence by saying "I'M FUCKING TOWN" and whining about it won't do much shit at all. (Sorry Bros.)

In the previous Executioner Mafia, there wasn't really a Fake Claim for scums. Scum would just claim some PR instead of VT. Hmm.

[SleepyKrew]

Cosca, I seem to recall that useless arguments with neither side convincing the other were a scumtell for Junpei.
MoI, please just stop responding to them.
Back to Cosca. Part of your reason why you won't elect the fucking cop is because he's self-voting. SO IS IMPLOSION!

[Cosca]

Cosca- Im confuswed. why do you think magna is scum.

For now, I'm going to link you to our most important posts: #638, #666, #699, #773, #801, #858.

If you're still not convinced, we can make a wall post/condensed case with all the arguments against Scumhunter and MagnaofIllusion. However, since this is going to involve

a lot

of reading and analysis, I want my hydra partner present for this, and he's V/LA until the end of the week, so you'll have to wait.

Back to Cosca. Part of your reason why you won't elect the fucking cop is because he's self-voting. SO IS IMPLOSION!

Obviously, that's not one of the reasons why we are against Zang as executioner (and we don't see a problem with self-voting). It's about the other votes, namely that they all are from the most scummy players.

[SleepyKrew]

THEN WHY DID YOU MENTION HIM SELFVOTING
AND THE PEOPLE ON IMPLOSION ARENT EXACTLY ANGELS

[Cosca]

THEN WHY DID YOU MENTION HIM SELFVOTING

To make clear there are only two types of votes on his wagon:
- His own vote
- Votes from our strongest scumreads

AND THE PEOPLE ON IMPLOSION ARENT EXACTLY ANGELS

Whatever they are, they are definitely not our three top scumreads.

[SleepyKrew]

Why'd you ignore the first sentence of 933?
So your top 3 scumreads are voting the claimed cop... lolyupmustbescum.

[Cosca]

Why'd you ignore the first sentence of 933?

Because arguing with a wall is more constructive than arguing with you.

So your top 3 scumreads are voting the claimed cop... lolyupmustbescum.

It doesn't matter if Zang is town or even confirmed town; he has the potential of being an "useful idiot" for scum, and that's why we don't want him as executioner.

[SleepyKrew]

Answer the question.

You're a useless idiot.

[Cosca]

Answer the question.

You're a useless idiot.

No. I'd rather keep arguing with my wall.

Just think about the question. Maybe you'll realize why no scum discussion is ever going to end in one side convincing the other.

[SleepyKrew]

May I inquire as to which head I'm speaking to, and which head has been walling with MoI?

[jasonT1981]

text walls are killing my head

[mallowgeno]

Will prod ML if they haven't posted by tomorrow morning

[Medicated Lain]

Sorry folk, I was expecting to be able to post when I got home last night, but my plane was late, and I didn't even make it to my final destination until 11:30 this morning! aaahhh.. anyways...

vote: zang

[SleepyKrew]

Reads pweez :3

[Quilford]

Zang, regardless of whether or not you think my miller claim is crap, I need to pass my papers on tonight.

You execute Scumhunter today and then we elect you again and you can execute me tonight.

Do you have any problem with that?

[vezokpiraka]

I'm waiting on awesome powers by ML.

What happens if ML doesn't have a double vote?

[Medicated Lain]

Unless the mod lied to me, there will be no problems there. I don't see why he would lie about that kind of thing, so I suspect no problems at all. I have read all pages since I have joined, and up to 20, suspecting I will be done by tonight or tomorrow assuming time prevails. Sorry for the busy intro.

[Medicated Lain]

eerrr just read page 22... just incase:

unvote, vote:zang