Goofbash Invitational (Game Over)

[Irish Carbomb]

Hey, dramonic. I'm just curious about something.

How much of the game do you think ABR has read?

Admittedly this sort of garbage isn't out of character if [REDACTED] is any indication but not noticing a WHOLE FUCKING PAGE of caps lock where I unclaimed vengeful? it's like he's skimming because he

expects

me to be vengeful as he knows we're town. if that makes sense?

[VitaminR]

VitaminR, are you a neighbour, yes or no?

Yes, I'm the last neighbour.

Also, you didn't comment on IC's retraction of their vengeful claim, the resulting clusterfuck, etc. Thoughts?

Ah, to be honest it feels like a big mindfuck, my mind is not at all made up about it. On the one hand, it's a completely crazy story but, on the other hand, his anger feels quite genuine. And part of me feels like it'd be a little too cheap for Faraday to just meltdown himself into town status. But I find it hard to trust him.

I actually came back from the night convinced that IC was scum, like you, especially after talking to CES about it. One of the major things that was holding me back was the self-hammer gambit, to be honest, because it seemed too botched a gambit to do as scum (he wasn't even close to really being hammered). The fact that he admitted that it was a gambit sort of clears the last mental hurdle for him being scum in my mind. But at the same time I don't really understand the scum-motivation for retracting the claim?

And the Sensfan read bothered me. I never really saw anything in that read and usually I feel like Faraday's thinking is at least somewhat similar to mine. Thinking back, I should have made a different choice at deadline and I'm kind of annoyed at myself for it. I thought Faraday was too overtly trying to manipulate me to be scum (the whole "vit with me"-thing would be pretty shameless) and I thought we'd lose two townies because of the vengeful. But I was sure Sens was town and it was the wrong choice, I think.

Sooo, I don't know. I'm finding it hard to make an objective evaluation. There's a bunch of things that really make me think town, but other things that don't sit well with me. I'm leaning town, but I like Faraday and I'm worried that I kinda want to read him as town.

[VitaminR]

Let me rephrase and amend my conclusion: I think he's town, but I'm paranoid.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey, dramonic. I'm just curious about something.

How much of the game do you think ABR has read?

Admittedly this sort of garbage isn't out of character if [REDACTED] is any indication but not noticing a WHOLE FUCKING PAGE of caps lock where I unclaimed vengeful? it's like he's skimming because he

expects

me to be vengeful as he knows we're town. if that makes sense?

20 back-to-back posts of bullshit personal attacks. Not reading that. No thanks.

[VitaminR]

ABR, I want your opinions on everyone in the game.

Same for tans, Minineko, and TBM.

On that note, Patrick,

can we get a prod, preferably with something sharp, for Minineko

?

[Irish Carbomb]

I just want to apologize for losing my shit last night and being offensive. I was drunk, had just gotten in a fight with the boyfriend, and my head wasn't screwed on straight. I'll be V/LA for the weekend due to MLG Raleigh being in town, so I'll leave it up to Faraday. I'm generally in agreement with his reads, though I don't consider VitR to be town because of his lack of hammer. I think that's dumb to say. I also don't think dramonic is scum, so flip dram & VitR and our lists match up.

Be back Monday.

[Irish Carbomb]

Hey, dramonic. I'm just curious about something.

How much of the game do you think ABR has read?

Admittedly this sort of garbage isn't out of character if [REDACTED] is any indication but not noticing a WHOLE FUCKING PAGE of caps lock where I unclaimed vengeful? it's like he's skimming because he

expects

me to be vengeful as he knows we're town. if that makes sense?

20 back-to-back posts of bullshit personal attacks. Not reading that. No thanks.

Oh okay. So what, did you read the nightkill scene and then just skip the rest of the page?

[Irish Carbomb]

Guess what? I've had yet another change of heart overnight! Turns out that you weren't obvtown at all in the posts I'd barely skimmed at work.

VOTE: Irish Carbomb

Why didn't you self-hammer at deadline, by the way, considering you were apparently willing to do so on D1? Why did you wait and keep pushing people onto Sens?

That's it. I'm not going to overthink this. Tomorrow is MYLO with two scum alive. Town is completely screwed because at least five people look horribly scummy. We have only two more chances to lynch scum (so thank you for throwing one of our mislynches away) You are not getting nightkilled at this point. We are using your shot to gain a free attempt to narrow the suspect pool. If IC is town, we still get the same number of shots to eliminate scum, but we also cover for the possibility that IC is scum. And they have not been accurate enough this game for them to play the "We're worth more alive because of our awesome reads!" card.

We should spend the rest of the day scumhunting and pushing other wagons to decide on the best vengeshot. But you are using your vengeshot.

So do people think there's a chance of two neighbourhoods that are completely town? If there's another member of the Ether-CES neighbourhood, I suggest he claims. It'd be useful information.

Hang on, let me see what happens if town IC uses a vengekill in LYLO:

D5: 6 T, 2 S
N5: 5 T, 2 S
D6: 4 T, 2 S --> go to night, scum kill someone more trusted than Irish Carbomb
D7: 3 T, 2 S
Lynch Faraday.
-->If he's a scum vengeful whose kill is in addition to the NK (in which case, I'll rant after the game, for more than one reason): 1T, 1S. Scum win.
-->If he's a town vengeful and hits town: Scum win (same as lynching Faraday today or in MYLO and mislynching our other time)
-->If he's a town vengeful and hits scum: 2 T, 1 S. That night, scum kill other townie, and back to 1 T, 1 S. Scum win.

...you know what? I caught myself second-guessing myself, and going, "Wait, but in this random post, Faraday said something that sounded kind of townish, and town is kind of low on PRs, and is he really a good enough actor to say what he did here?"

But then I stopped myself. Because I have wasted too much energy trying to read Faraday this game. It literally does not matter if IC is town or scum. Proper play is still to lynch him TODAY. (That said, if IC is scum, I will cry, because Sens would've been confirmed town today.) I don't want to hear a single, "No, we can't lynch poor, townish IC, whose lynch doesn't even cost us anything!" from anyone.

Faraday and Reckoner, congratulations. You are the kingmaker today. Everyone will be terrified of you. Use this day wisely.

Hey Mina.

(Yes that's a vanilla claim for those who are actually unable to comprehend) I was planning on claiming at the start of the day; sorry you had to waste your time calculating scenarios.

Why didn't you self-hammer at deadline, by the way, considering you were apparently willing to do so on D1? Why did you wait and keep pushing people onto Sens?
Why did you wait and keep pushing people onto Sens?

Well we figured it'd be best to lynch scum over a Vt.

And I don't mean vengeful townie. I expect this'll probably lead to us being lynched and maybe we deserve it but meh.

I know you're gonna rage but I think the fakeclaim worked kinda well.

these posts are EMOTIONAL are they abr?

[Albert B. Rampage]

All your posts start to look alike after a while.

[Irish Carbomb]

Btw; if anything Mina your neighbourhood felt more 'artificial' in creation -- Katsuki's really not a loud player; certainly no more loud than me. I thought there was a better chance there was a scum neighbour here because of this.

I don't think any of the neighbours are scum now -- the only town power we've had so far is a roleblocker and I doubt we've got much else (though if we have any sort of role that confirm some of our suspect pool as town then now would be a good time to claim) so neighbours being town could offset that. (otoh I suppose a traitor is far weaker than regular goon but still)

[Irish Carbomb]

I thought Faraday was too overtly trying to manipulate me to be scum (the whole "vit with me"-thing would be pretty shameless) and I thought we'd lose two townies because of the vengeful.

I actually like to think this is the sort of thing I could do as scum but I'm not sure. Other people are probably in a better position to answer but I feel my meta is reasonably consistent and it's small things that seperate town faraday and scum faraday. but enough about me!

do you think abr is scum Vit?

[tanstalas]

Why is ABR still sucking air?

Vote: ABR[/vote]

[tanstalas]

lol fail

VOTE: ABR

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wow I forgot you were even in this game.

Unvote, vote tanstalas

[dramonic]

Hey, dramonic. I'm just curious about something.

Did you ever read this post of mine?

yes. What about it?

[tanstalas]

Fate is probably grinding his teeth reading this game.

[VitaminR]

I actually like to think this is the sort of thing I could do as scum but I'm not sure. Other people are probably in a better position to answer but I feel my meta is reasonably consistent and it's small things that seperate town faraday and scum faraday. but enough about me!

Hmm, noted.

do you think abr is scum Vit?

He'd be a good lynch, yes. I think he makes the most sense as scum currently. I think you, Mina, and dram are town. Mini I'd hope would be more active as scum. TBM is unlikely given BB. That leaves tans and ABR. ABR danced around the Nik wagon Day 1 and has been generally useless. It also sort of explains why there's a general absence of obvious scum.

[VitaminR]

Btw; if anything Mina your neighbourhood felt more 'artificial' in creation -- Katsuki's really not a loud player; certainly no more loud than me. I thought there was a better chance there was a scum neighbour here because of this.

Yeah, I've puzzled about this since Day 1. My neighbourhood felt quite natural, but Fate/Katsuki/Mina/Sens doesn't really. But I never really thought any of them were scum, so I never did anything with it.

[VitaminR]

Fate is probably grinding his teeth reading this game.

He always if people don't do exactly what he'd do. Tans and ABR, could I get your opinions on everyone in the game? I want a list with assessments and your best guess for the scumteam.

[Katsuki]

Patrick considers me as a loud player. T^T

[Katsuki]

Oh yeah and you guys should know from GOOFBASH and all as to how MINA is LOUD.

[Irish Carbomb]

Um, Mina isn't someone I'd consider loud, she's usually reasonably meek in face2face mafia and tends to get drowned out unless she stands up and does her *AHEM*....(DRAMATIC PAUSE) ....I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY thing. It's not really relevant though.

[Irish Carbomb]

I actually like to think this is the sort of thing I could do as scum but I'm not sure. Other people are probably in a better position to answer but I feel my meta is reasonably consistent and it's small things that seperate town faraday and scum faraday. but enough about me!

Hmm, noted.

do you think abr is scum Vit?

He'd be a good lynch, yes. I think he makes the most sense as scum currently. I think you, Mina, and dram are town. Mini I'd hope would be more active as scum. TBM is unlikely given BB. That leaves tans and ABR. ABR danced around the Nik wagon Day 1 and has been generally useless. It also sort of explains why there's a general absence of obvious scum.

For more self meta I'd not have bothered telling you that as scum! Yeah, sorry, couldn't resist.

also don't say noted *twitch*

Mini's fairly lurkish regardless of alignment AFAIK -- this is from reading games on MS and from some of his MGTS games too when I lurked there.

[Katsuki]

Um, Mina isn't someone I'd consider loud, she's usually reasonably meek in face2face mafia and tends to get drowned out unless she stands up and does her *AHEM*....(DRAMATIC PAUSE) ....I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY thing. It's not really relevant though.

So yeah you yourself agree that Mina's loud in an irrelevant way.

[Irish Carbomb]

I SAID SHE'S USUALLY REASONABLY MEEK ACTUALLY. L2READ N00b.