Mini 1217 - Campaign Mafia (Game Over!)

[hiplop]

Not a bad actor

Theres no fucking reason to AtE like that, honestly. You're being a drama queen ~

[Lurconis]

thats not what it looks like when i ISO you. Why are you trying to make it look like you doubted my towniness earlier? never did you mention PoE...

What doe PoE mean?

[hiplop]

process of elimination

[Twistedspoon]

Not a bad actor

Theres no fucking reason to AtE like that, honestly. You're being a drama queen ~

saying you're a bad actor is appeal to emotion how?

You're 'acting' since you're trying to be townie when you're obviously not to me

kudos for dismissing my entire post as AtE though

[hiplop]

The "im done wasting my time on you" is AtE

Bad actor just is rude, doesnt mean anything.

[Twistedspoon]

it means I can see through you pretending to be a townie
obviously I'm referring to this game, not RL theatrics

and I'm not hoping to waste any more time with you. It's correct protocol not to argue with conf.scum as they're not exactly going toadmit they're scum are they

It still isn't AtE at all though

[hiplop]

Fair enough.

[Packbat]

Not a bad actor

Theres no fucking reason to AtE like that, honestly. You're being a drama queen ~

saying you're a bad actor is appeal to emotion how?

You're 'acting' since you're trying to be townie when you're obviously not to me

kudos for dismissing my entire post as AtE though

Misrepresentation. Again. hiplop said that there was no good reason to appeal to the emotions of the other players - which could be debated, I suppose, but it is a fact that you

did

try to appeal to their emotions in several places (another example: "The only reason you're still alive is because Johog assumed the rest of the townies would be able to see the forest for the trees, but so far only Luc has done this"). He did

not

say "all you posted is AtE".

And "he didn't respond to the rest of it" doesn't fly, because the rest of it is redundant with earlier posts.

[Duplicity]

Twistedspoon, why did you say hiplop was towny before he was selected to run against you today?

by PofE. because I was convinced I knew the scumteam and that hiplop had to be town for this to fit in

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looking back at his iso it's just fluff to me. no analysis or anything

hipop lurked and posted fluff.

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Let's take a quick peek at what you've said about hip before now because I'm pretty certain you've stated multiple reasons for why hip's town besides PoE. As a matter of fact several times PoE would have pointed towards him being scum but you still kept up your strong town read. And even then

you do not ask your town read from PoE alone to self nominate.

Furthermore you said earlier that his vote and actions made him unlikely to be scum with Pom, Pom has since flipped scum but you haven't mentioned anything about this and have attacked him for something you defended him doing earlier. Here's your exact quotes about him, where you contradict yourself multiple times:

Hiplop hasn't done much, but I have a small feeling that this is his town self. He seems much more outspoken as town imho. Having played many games with him, meta tells me his 3 posts are town ones. Weak town read on hiplop. With the high percentage of scum in this game, he could be scum though. pom can be reviewed tommorow. The voteparking and tunneling will look more suspect in the event of a manchu townflip. Probably not scum with hiplop either

hiplop and johog are my top townreads

hiplop is probtown since I don't remember his playstyle being a bussing one

I think hiplop or tova would be good candidates. I have townreads on them despite their infrequent posting

I think hiplop's maru vote seemed a town one. Even I at first voted maru for the same reason he did. It was the 'now to check my alignment' that was the killer though

my reads
{TS} me
{Quilford, Johog} very strong town
{Hiplop} strong town
{luc} most likely town
{SD} wildcard. His justification of the manchu lynch is... interesting

Duplicity, myself, and Luc make up the town with one more player who I'm unsure of. Probably Hiplop
SD, Quilford and Packbat are the mafiosi then.

ok, I'm confident the other 3 townies are hiplop, duplicity and Luc

I'm down for a hiplop nomination when we're ready. I don't think there's anyone with a serious scumread on him anyways...

I'd have preferred a hiplop nom....

I'm glad hiplop is against me because at any other nomination I'd have said he was the townie.

yeah, I'll admit hiplop being nominated was a bit of odd play since against anyone else I'd have made sure he was seen as the townie

until today I didn't consider hiplop to be scum. but now he's confirmed scum to me. with that in mind I will be reading his iso with hiplopscum in mind were i to read it now, rather than hiploptown as I previously did to fit my idea of the setup

Also, the notion that your activity level makes you obviously town is nothing short of ridiculous.

VOTE: hiplop

-Shift

[Lurconis]

Don't know what to say other than to reiterate that hiplop has not scum hunted the entire game
@Quill/ShadowDancer please read or reread (whichever the case may be) both twisted and hiplop in iso before hammering.

[Twistedspoon]

not sure why you're saying I'm backpedalling

that's obvious; I know I have. But he became conf. scum to me

Johog went early so you'd listen to his reads. They're right.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Dup: Please realize that you are only accusing twisted of changing his opinion about hip after hip was nominated against him. Inconsistency, contrary to what far too many people believe, was never a scum tell and most especially is not in this case.

vote Twisted

[Duplicity]

You're kidding me. Shift PM'ed me saying he thought he came across something proving him right and I told him not to vote until I actually had time to read what he sent me. Still don't have the time or mental focus right now but I'm going to take a nap and I'll read through it when I wake up. I don't want any lolblitzhammers occuring before then so I'd appreciate if you unvoted as well Shadow.

Unvote

[Duplicity]

@ Shadow and Lurc -

Can you elaborate on your town-read on TS and scum-read on Hip because right now I'm heavily undecided. I have Shfit in my ear telling me he's right for once but this isn't reading as TS-scum at all.

@ Quilford -

You're just standing back and lurking, mind elaborating on your ever-changing thoughts and reads?

@ Twisted -

Can you explain in some more detail why you believed Pom/Hip was unlikely please.

Now it's nap time.

[Twistedspoon]

duplicity, you should know me well enough to tell when I'm scum. This really isn't the case

that being said though I thought I knew hiplop....

[Twistedspoon]

@ Twisted -

Can you explain in some more detail why you believed Pom/Hip was unlikely please.

well obviously, It's certain to me now

And hiplop, that vote sucks.

I felt she could've just told him this in the scum qt if they were scum together (but after this i realised scum didn't have daytalk)

i forget a lot about pom. All i remember was she was scum and I made sure she got lynched. That's what mattered

[Shadow Dancer]

I won't elaborate on any analysis that is based on assumptions who might be scum... But just look at the bot of them.
We know for sure that one is town and one is scum, i.e. one is honestly trying to win this for town and the other one is trying to drop the right town tells that he zhings we want to hear.
Now read them in ISO and it looks pretty clear who is what.
Sorry if I cannot give you better reasoning than what you could as well summarize as "gut", but I am not going to produce some WoT, quoting my way through the ISOs and making comments that likely no one will ever read. In the end I want you to draw your own conclusions anyway.

[hiplop]

@Dup: Please realize that you are only accusing twisted of changing his opinion about hip after hip was nominated against him. Inconsistency, contrary to what far too many people believe, was never a scum tell and most especially is not in this case.

vote Twisted

the thing i find odd is that he refuses to admit those things. He had a a BIG town read on me, and suddenly he only had a slight one on me due to PoE. Why is he lying?

[Twistedspoon]

you had a town read on me too though, and now you're saying I'm conf. scum to you

[Crazy]

Vote Count:

Twistedspoon

(2) - Lurconis, Shadow Dancer

hiplop

(1) - Packbat

Not voting

(2) - Quilford, Duplicity

The first candidate to receive 3 votes will be elected.

Deadline is

August 31st

.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Dup: Please realize that you are only accusing twisted of changing his opinion about hip after hip was nominated against him. Inconsistency, contrary to what far too many people believe, was never a scum tell and most especially is not in this case.

vote Twisted

the thing i find odd is that he refuses to admit those things. He had a a BIG town read on me, and suddenly he only had a slight one on me due to PoE. Why is he lying?

I cannot see the developement you describe. Even less I can see a lie.

[Quilford]

VOTE: Twistedspoon

blaaaaaaargh

*crosses fingers*

[Quilford]

@Dup: Please realize that you are only accusing twisted of changing his opinion about hip after hip was nominated against him. Inconsistency, contrary to what far too many people believe, was never a scum tell and most especially is not in this case.

vote Twisted

the thing i find odd is that he refuses to admit those things. He had a a BIG town read on me, and suddenly he only had a slight one on me due to PoE. Why is he lying?

This was the post that convinced me.

[Quilford]

fuck

I've hammered wrongly haven't I?

[Twistedspoon]

Thank you Quilford
I knew you'd come through

packbat is 99% scum and Luc 99% town. Duplicity is probtown too though

get one of those nominated tommorow and you should win and we can have a good laugh at the scum qt in the endgame

I was going to at one point make an oath that I'd never play mafia again if I flipped scum. That would be an easy win as hiplop would never be able to make the same promise, but I felt I'd play fairly even when the mafiosi of packbat and hiplop were annoying me

of course packbat will still be pretending to be townie at this point, but I can say I told him I was town :p