Kids in the Hall Mafia - Game Over, Daves are Supreme

[Umbrage]

I'm not seeing a scum motive for Gurgi to launch an attack on farside so early and then try and back out of it.

[SpyreX]

Sooo at work but here's the short and skinny:

Umbrage is town.
EK is town.
Farside is town.
VPB is probably town.

UT is scummy as all getout.
Volkan is probably scum.
Imaginality would be a good shot.
Kison is a gut bad read.
LG is also a gut really bad read.

DGB is a delicious mystery as always.

This scooby wagon's speed and composure is bad and you should feel bad. What he was trying to SAY is okish even if its got some serious pants on head going on. Watching the leapers is a level of paranoia that makes me even MORE paranoid that no one seems to be paranoid about it.

Unvote, Vote: UT

[elvis_knits]

so you're suggesting he planned out the high comment and backpedal from that vote later?

I'm suggesting that the whole thing doesn't make sense to me. My understanding of it is:

Apparently his first post where he said farside was scum was due to meta.

Apparently his third post where he voted farside is because he was high.

Like...

What does being high have to do with anything if he ALREADY thought farside was scum due to meta?

If I have to piece together some explanation for this, I would guess that:

I think he probably was high. I don't think he made that up. But I also think he was serious about calling farside scum due to meta (off of almost zero info this game), then he voted her for the scummy meta reason (while high), then when people called that BS, he started to go "GUYZ YOU CAN'T BLAME ME I WAS HIGH LULZ."

[DrippingGoofball]

unvote, Vote: EK

I think I was correct in my RVS vote actually. He did claim to be high when he made the vote. EK not reading back over that interaction at this point to double check herself makes me suspicious.

Hello scum. Your buddy, Lord Gurgi, forgot that "RL excuses" are planet-sized scum tells. You should bus him.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm not seeing a scum motive for Gurgi to launch an attack on farside so early and then try and back out of it.

Maybe his distancing attempt backfired when a wagon was created out of it.

[VP Baltar]

so you're suggesting he planned out the high comment and backpedal from that vote later?

I'm suggesting that the whole thing doesn't make sense to me. My understanding of it is:

Apparently his first post where he said farside was scum was due to meta.

Apparently his third post where he voted farside is because he was high.

Like...

What does being high have to do with anything if he ALREADY thought farside was scum due to meta?

If I have to piece together some explanation for this, I would guess that:

I think he probably was high. I don't think he made that up. But I also think he was serious about calling farside scum due to meta (off of almost zero info this game), then he voted her for the scummy meta reason (while high), then when people called that BS, he started to go "GUYZ YOU CAN'T BLAME ME I WAS HIGH LULZ."

Maybe. I'd like him to give an explanation of it. I can see one possibility, but I also can see how you're explaining it now. Don't want to give him any rope if he is bullshitting.

[Lord Gurgi]

Going to explain my early posts now, since apparently people are dumb.

How's it going kids? It's good to see some old faces.

Farside is scum.

First post. Not serious.

That's quite enough. This is all getting rather too silly.

Monty Python reference.

EK: I resent that.

Also, High Lord Gurgi (haha) thinks that everyone should

Vote: Farside22

. Do it now.

Also, hi Prozac.

High Lord Gurgi. HIGH LORD GURGI. GURGI IS HIGH. HAHA. IT'S FUNNY. BECAUSE I WAS HIGH AND DRUNK. Seriously people.

Mod: Do I not have a vote?

Farside, it's meta. You're scum, I can feel it. Also it was a cross faded read, so I stick with it.

Why the Prozac hate?

Maybe someone stole my vote.

Not being serious here. Isn't that obvious? Does anyone seriously believe I would ever claim a read based upon a person's first post in the game? No wait, that's what you guys are doing to me.

So I reread my role PM just in case I'm going crazy. There's nothing in there about votes. Although, it also doesn't even say if I do have a vote in the first place. Do I need to say Albatross?

References and confusion.

Oh yay, a vote. Such novelty. I have an hour before my next class. Somebody be here.

Bored between classes.

I also said it was a cross-faded read, which should explain that I was not being serious. I assumed that people weren't being serious about the Popshate too. All the same, I'm not sure if your argument has any value whatsoever. I'm inclined to think that Umbrage is town because it is trying to find out if it is a double voter in a sensible way. That's not based off of much, but it'll balance out over time. What's your big hangup on early reads?

Explanation, plus genuine disagreement with the basis of your argument.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... ross-faded

A helpful link.

Why can't you have early meta reads? This is a strange concept to me.

Confusion.

People. I was high and drunk when I voted for Farside. My initial post was my first post. At this point I'm asking about theory. I don't see why early meta reads should be any less legitimate than other early reads. Isn't meta most useful when you have the least information from other sources?

More explanation.

I would normally say that you're scum for intentionally misreading me this badly, but there's too many of you for that. So help me shaft.ed, there had better be too many of them for that. So I'm going to assume that you're all getting old and unfun. Also it was the week before classes started. It was kinda crazy.

But aside from that: EK, when I have I passed off my own behaviour as meta? I jokingly referred to my first post as meta, but I haven't done anything of the sort regarding my own actions.

I like imaginality.

[shaft.ed]

It was the tits Vote Count

scooby (9) Umbrage, Lord Gurgi, Untrod Tripod, Porochaz, vollkan, Kison, imaginality, DrippingGoofball

popsofctown (3) Amrun, scooby, Medicated Lain
Lord Gurgi (3) farside22, Lurconis, elvis_knits
Untrod Tripod (2) Mysterio, SpyreX
Porochaz (1) popsofctown
elvis_knits (1) VP Baltar


Not Voting: MrBuddyLee, Internet Stranger, Mist Beauty

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch or No Lynch

[popsofctown]

unvote, vote scooby

Sorry EK, I tend to overcorrect for omgus.


I dislike scooby's weak attack as well. Another thing inherently scummy about the "this group that group" stuff is that it's a scumhunting method that can actually be followed to the letter and still lose a game. Kind of a red flag in a way.

[elvis_knits]

LG: so all the meta stuff regarding farside was a joke?

But aside from that: EK, when I have I passed off my own behaviour as meta? I jokingly referred to my first post as meta, but I haven't done anything of the sort regarding my own actions.

I never said you passed of your behavior as meta (or at least I didn't mean to). When I talked about meta, I was always talking about you commenting on farside's meta.

[elvis_knits]

LULZ GUYS SCOOBY IS L-1

[VP Baltar]

for real, that pops vote was shit.

[SpyreX]

For mad mad real

I dislike scooby's weak attack as well. Another thing inherently scummy about the "this group that group" stuff is that it's a scumhunting method that can actually be followed to the letter and still lose a game. Kind of a red flag in a way.

Unvote, Vote: Pops

Seriously validated it and called it "inherently scummy" in the same paragraph with a weak ass L-1 vote.

[Lord Gurgi]

EK: Okay.

I agree with VP, but don't want to derail the scooby wagon before scooby even gets here.

[VP Baltar]

Unvote, vote: pops

forgot to switch that back

[Amrun]

Okay pops wagon is go now right?

scooby, can you tell me your mafia experience, please?

[scooby]

So somehow I'm at L-1 in 3 pages with 2 posts. Good job, I guess.

Let's analyse the votes.

Is this someone actually reading my guide and misapplying what it teaches you? Strange. I like the scooby wagon. Unvote: Farside22; Vote: scooby

I don't even know what to make of this reason to vote me, what is this guide you are talking about?

unvote, vote scooby go go gadget wagon
I don't like the tone of his first srsface post. smacks of tryhardiness.

Can you elaborate on this? What exact part of my post made you fell the hardiness?

Interlude

I think umbrage has a good read on scooby and am tempted to vote.

Not a fan of Lord G's jumping on the scooby "wagon" either.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Lucronis is scum.

Its not the best reasoning ever but its a start.

Two things:
1. Why didn't you make this attack in your previous post 155?
2.

If you demand me do something straight away I will post a picture of two cats having sex and thats it.

How is this a valid reason to suspect someone?

Interlude 2

What did pops seemed fake more over others you listed that got out of RVS early?

He used a weak reason to get out of rvs: use of meta on rvs.

The key point is that the "all eggs in one basket" logic only works if scum actually think that there is any realistic risk in them all acting the same way - or even considering it to be risk-relevant to begin with

I totally agree this, except with your thinking that the breaking point doesn't force players to make stances. The breaking point, that is the point where rvs starts to disappear and serious game starts, it's actually a critical point on the game where scum are forced to make early stances (For example, "should I keep joking in a game of 5 pages of jokey rvs or should I start making a serious vote like scumpartner A did?). You can understand the difference with "using good grammar" (the example you used) which, I agree, is a situation that isn't a valid differentiation.
I feel there is a theory disagreement, but why does this deserve a vote?

This is horribly bad, you oozing sack of scum. This argument could be used at any point of the game, but it does not make it right.

Ok, once again, let's assume for a second I'm wrong, why does this deserve a vote and an adhom?

Interlude 3

In any game of Mafia, roughly 25% of players, at least, will be scum. So, if you keep tabs on whether or not any of the first 3 or 4 "serious" posters in a game are scum, it will almost certainly turn out that, on average, at least one of them is scum.

It's not the same thing. You saying that roughly 25% of players of playerlist 1 will be scum, is not the same that saying that one of Players A,B,C,D of that playerlist will be scum (if somehow player B is on Lylo then you just have one more reason to vote that player).

"scum want to look active in the breaking point" - I think this is projection on scooby's part: he's scum and wants to look active, and he's projecting that logic onto everyone else.

I definitely want to look active with 2 posts in the game and my first post in page 6.

but that abrupt response sounds to me like it could come from scum happy to have found something they can legitimately challenge someone about.

Why can't I be town happy to have found something I can legitimately challenge Umbrage about? Does this mean that you disagree with Umbrage about his attack against me?

How about this: I've always done it as scum, and never as town. I've never seen it successfully used to catch scum. I've never seen it provide solid reasoning to vote someone, it's always used as an excuse to vote the person they want to vote.

Is this your prove?
Personal experience?
So do you think that the theory of "not all scum eggs on one basket" doesn't work? Because it does.

I dislike scooby's weak attack as well. Another thing inherently scummy about the "this group that group" stuff is that it's a scumhunting method that can actually be followed to the letter and still lose a game. Kind of a red flag in a way.

There's a flaw in your argument. If you think I'm scum doing a weak attack, how is this a scumhunting method that can lose a game (implying I'm town)?

tl; dr, happy with my vote, there are a lot of votes for theory disagreement, a lot of "Umbrage is right" votes when HE IS NOT and fuck you for making me lose one hour of my time.

[scooby]

That was longer that it should be but could have been more.

Okay pops wagon is go now right?

scooby, can you tell me your mafia experience, please?

I have played mafia before.

[DrippingGoofball]

That was longer that it should be but could have been more.

Okay pops wagon is go now right?

scooby, can you tell me your mafia experience, please?

I have played mafia before.

CLAIM STALL

HAMMER PLEASE

[scooby]

Nobody is treating to hammer and the wagon is full of fail, and the L-1 sucks even more but I guess it's the standard here.

Mississipi Gary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1NdsBpK0rE
Vanilla.

Go ahead and hammer if you wish.

[Amrun]

Yeah, I asked for a much more specific answer, scooby.

[Porochaz]

unvote

I don't want a lynch yet.

[Mist Beauty]

Went back and reread LG. His first post calls farside scum. His third post, 31 hours later, says he's high and votes farside. Then he says it's meta. Then he tries to defend himself by blaming it all on being high and drunk. Was he high and drunk all weekend? I never did drugs, so I dunno, but I feel like this story keeps changing and still makes no sense.

I liked this.

Scooby seems somewhat annoyed, but he got 6 more votes pretty quickly.

[Took Weerz]

^Yeah Mist, I also like Elvis's point about LG there, particularly after the terrible defense post.

Gaaahhh i made this post at 4 in the morning, and it never showed up! sigh, re writing... with some points added.

No one on Scooby's list looks like they have any real tells yet, other than pops... that's another reason my vote is on pops.

1) Define "real tells" in the context of RVS. As in, RVS is mostly about finding material to question on, etc. I haven't given Scooby any of my scumpoints yet (see first two lines of this for an explanation of what I mean), but the line of inquiry is valid.
2) What "real tells" are there on pops?

1.The real tells weren't that real, just his "meta post" seemed more sensible to vote for than scooby's.
2.Really it was just the meta post.

LG did that too, but first I thought he was joking... now it seems he could be stupid or scum, as his "defense" post contradicts itself.
LG: If you were high and joking, why are you defending the meta post?

Now let's assume Scooby is scum. Then this post would be motivated to get a lynch moved on with as fast as possible, AKA, he is joining the very B group that he made. ...Yeah I could see it being plausible, but unless told other wise by someone who knows scooby, I'm inclined to believe he was throwing logic into the puzzle.

Wait...so because, on your reading, scooby's argument would be contradictory, that makes it

less

likely he is scum?

I don't think he was being contradictory, I think he made a post analyzing the beginning of the game, and used a method that I have known in *all* of my experience thus far to be true, though I had never thought about it as a "method." Two of the games that I have played since coming back.. Matrix and Death at a Funeral, the first person to make any sort of serious post in the game, was scum. That's out of a total of 3 completed games. So it seemed to make sense to vote for Pops.

Most games I have seen thus far, there is scum within the first few serious posters.

Did you know that in most games if you pick 1/4 of the playerlist at random, there's a really good chance you'll hit scum? Should I even bother reading posts, or should I just pick my scumreads based on die roles?

See above.

Now pops added an L-1 vote, when half our town is missing, and we have like what? 27 days til our deadline? Ugh.

[Medicated Lain]

Aaarrgghh.. I swear I will get used to this having two accounts thing... Very new for me. once again:

^Yeah Mist, I also like Elvis's point about LG there, particularly after the terrible defense post.

Gaaahhh i made this post at 4 in the morning, and it never showed up! sigh, re writing... with some points added.

No one on Scooby's list looks like they have any real tells yet, other than pops... that's another reason my vote is on pops.

1) Define "real tells" in the context of RVS. As in, RVS is mostly about finding material to question on, etc. I haven't given Scooby any of my scumpoints yet (see first two lines of this for an explanation of what I mean), but the line of inquiry is valid.
2) What "real tells" are there on pops?

1.The real tells weren't that real, just his "meta post" seemed more sensible to vote for than scooby's.
2.Really it was just the meta post.

LG did that too, but first I thought he was joking... now it seems he could be stupid or scum, as his "defense" post contradicts itself.
LG: If you were high and joking, why are you defending the meta post?

Now let's assume Scooby is scum. Then this post would be motivated to get a lynch moved on with as fast as possible, AKA, he is joining the very B group that he made. ...Yeah I could see it being plausible, but unless told other wise by someone who knows scooby, I'm inclined to believe he was throwing logic into the puzzle.

Wait...so because, on your reading, scooby's argument would be contradictory, that makes it

less

likely he is scum?

I don't think he was being contradictory, I think he made a post analyzing the beginning of the game, and used a method that I have known in *all* of my experience thus far to be true, though I had never thought about it as a "method." Two of the games that I have played since coming back.. Matrix and Death at a Funeral, the first person to make any sort of serious post in the game, was scum. That's out of a total of 3 completed games. So it seemed to make sense to vote for Pops.

Most games I have seen thus far, there is scum within the first few serious posters.

Did you know that in most games if you pick 1/4 of the playerlist at random, there's a really good chance you'll hit scum? Should I even bother reading posts, or should I just pick my scumreads based on die roles?

See above.

Now pops added an L-1 vote, when half our town is missing, and we have like what? 27 days til our deadline? Ugh.