Kids in the Hall Mafia - Game Over, Daves are Supreme

[popsofctown]

Why would I need to claim if the mod is about to tell you what I am anyway? Unless the daykill is fake, and then it has no bearing at all on whether I should claim.

I'll claim at L-1 and someone with a promise to hammer, that's how things ought be done.

[Porochaz]

You don't like helping yourself much, do you?

[farside22]

Mind you Umbrage is town++ so don't get drawn into silliness there.

(Unless it results in more vig shots)

I don't doubt that. I just saw him on (no talking about ongoing games) I can spot some differences and his logic is so bad and horrible......words don't begin to describe it. Plus the voting on pops is total town. Porochaz finding that scummy is laughable.

Please explain. There is no reason for town to take the actions he did.

Because town are idiots and scum is smart.

meh the daykill was fake and I'm not satisfied with pops reaction.

I find myself agreeing with EK so much my head is about to fall off.

EK et Farside et VP IMPORTANT QUESTION TIME:

You've got a gut with one glorious bullet in it. Who do you shoot?

Lord Gurgi - he's being twitchy

[farside22]

Also I found it fascinating that everyone in this game knows there is a double voter, yet Pops doesn't seem concerned with being hammered by Kison.

*note: If shaft.ed made scum a double voter I would never forgive him*

[popsofctown]

378 could not make less sense.

[SpyreX]

Except it does.

GOD BLOOD DO IT

[popsofctown]

I'll claim at L-1

[SpyreX]

Kison I will give you one million e-dollars to hammer him right now

[Umbrage]

I'll claim at L-1

Obvious VI town is obvious.

Just saying.

[farside22]

I'll claim at L-1

Obvious VI town is obvious.

Just saying.

Could be stalling scum. Needs to be ready for that fake claim.

Don't even get me started on how few scum reads Pops has too. Awful.

[Mysterio]

VOTE: popsofctown

Claim now?

[SpyreX]

doitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoit

You know you want to. You've always been too afraid. "But what if I'm wrong? What if he's a triple cop?? What if I get lynched???"

Baby, it'll be ok.

I promise.

[vollkan]

volkan: I totally agree this, except with your thinking that the breaking point doesn't force players to make stances. The breaking point, that is the point where rvs starts to disappear and serious game starts, it's actually a critical point on the game where scum are forced to make early stances (For example, "should I keep joking in a game of 5 pages of jokey rvs or should I start making a serious vote like scumpartner A did?). You can understand the difference with "using good grammar" (the example you used) which, I agree, is a situation that isn't a valid differentiation.

But there is no "point" at which people are forced to make stances. What I'm saying is that RVS just gradually becomes "serious" when all the random jokiness and hyperbole is eliminated. That happens over time, for the simple reason that gathering enough material to begin scumhunting proper is something that that takes time.

If you didn't assign scooby scumpoints for this, why did you vote him?? I didn't see other discussion directed at scooby from you.

I haven't given Scooby any of my scumpoints yet (see first two lines of this for an explanation of what I mean), but the line of inquiry is valid.

In short, it wouldn't meet my threshold for scumpoints, but it did meet the threshold for something to use to springboard discussion.

1. He stated he ignored a vote count before voting. Why would a player do that?

Carelessness?

2. Yet it happened and there was a vote count before he voted

Person joins wagon for unserious reasons. Person misses VC. Wagon gets serious. Person bails.

It isn't that complicated.

3. I didn't see Pops unvote as hey I'm looking for a PR. I saw it as oops I screwed up and got caught at putting someone at L-1 early, back track, back track, back track.

Well, to begin with, saying you think he "screwed up", does that mean you do think he accidentally missed the VC? You seem to be having it both ways here by denying the reasonableness of his mistake whilst also relying on a narrative in which he made said mistake.

In short, you seem to only be accepting the legitimacy of the mistake in a framework in which he is scum. If the mistake is legit, the mistake is legit no matter what the alignment.

farside is an emotional player. thats what makes her so fun.

Does anybody have meta on pops? Specifically, is he always this brief and irrelevant?

The only people who have even posted since your ridiculous vote are myself and Porochaz. Neither of us has ever stated anything close to certainty that popsofctown is scum.

He looks just as bad as he did before. However, you now look like a slimy, vile scumbag for that vote.

The Umbragevote was a pretty obvious joke. Why is it scummy?

[popsofctown]

Ok, I have to flip stances on Umbrage at this point. I thought he was kidding on some level or another but the guy seriously thinks I'm town and wants to lynch me.

vote Umbrage

Since you want me to have "stances" so bad. although not much has jumped out at me this game. I don't have a lot of scumreads from the scooby wagon because the scooby wagon is legit and will probably flip scum. I don't have many suspicions in reaction to my own lynch because I understand where people are coming from, I put someone at L-zwets by accident and there's no real way for me to prove that was an accident. I probably just need to watch votecounts more carefully in future games going forward, it's not a good thing whether or not my reasons were innocents, a dead unclaimed scooby would have been a bad thing. (speaking of claims, scooby has claimed VT and I still haven't claimed yet, want to make PR hunting a little tougher guys?).

The only other suspicion I have to think of is a slight suspicion of VP Baltar. It might be kind of burden of proficiency because I hear he's a good player, but he hasn't emphasized the L-1 vote much and instead has been pushing on my much more innocuous votes and reading them as scummy when I think he knows better. He's very original, but it seems like it could be because he knows it's safe to seem original, and he's reaching for content to continue and continue posting against so he comes out of the mislynch glowing. But it's fishy because the quality of that content is headed downhill.

I'll claim when someone says they intend to hammer. I'm balancing the risk that someone quickhammers against the odds that umbrage grows a brain.

[Porochaz]

Vollkan I answered your last question towards Kison. It wasn't jokey in the slightest.

As for the pops reaction saying I was underwhelmed by it would be an exaggeration...

POST-EDIT:Im willing to hammer

[SpyreX]

Ok, this is me unvoting.

Unvote

This is me saying I'm going to be checking this thread tonight and if someone puts a vote up I am hammering without claim, hesitation or mercy.

[Porochaz]

You unvoting allows him to be even more pissy about that claim he is trying so hard to stall

[Kison]

Don't worry. I will hammer his ass if he does not claim.

[Kison]

...No homo...

[Kison]

@Vollkan: If Umbrage's vote was a joke, why did he vote him for a second time and why is his vote still there?

[popsofctown]

VT

[farside22]

Person joins wagon for unserious reasons. Person misses VC. Wagon gets serious. Person bails.

He didn't join the wagon from what I could tell for unserious reason. In fact he keeps saying he finds scooby scum.

Well, to begin with, saying you think he "screwed up", does that mean you do think he accidentally missed the VC? You seem to be having it both ways here by denying the reasonableness of his mistake whilst also relying on a narrative in which he made said mistake.

Let me put it this way. I believe he screwed up, mean more likely then not he didn't see the vote count or pay attention to it. I think his reasoning for find scooby scummy is nothing I agree upon. I found it opportunistic and crap-tab-u-lous.

Wow the claim feels as anti-climatic as the ending for the movie Insidious

[SpyreX]

I'm back and no votes?

I even said I'll take the glory/punishment/delicious treats.

GIVE ME THIS

[Medicated Lain]

Yay home from work early. Oooh typhoons.

Also willing to hammer. The constant stalling on a claim REALLY feels like scum just holding out. I am interested in hearing a claim though.

Feeling quite convinced about Farside's townliness by now. Not liking Umbrage's wishy washy feel either, but Pops feels like the choice for today. More to say, but tomorrow is a better day.

[shaft.ed]

It would be a crime to compromise on the chocolate dusting Vote Count

popsofctown

(9) Amrun, scooby, VP Baltar, farside22, elvis_knits, DrippingGoofball, Mist Beauty, Umbrage, Mysterio

Umbrage

(4) Porochaz, Kison, popsofctown

scooby

(3) Lord Gurgi, imaginality, Lurconis

VP Baltar

(1) vollkan


Not Voting: MrBuddyLee, Internet Stranger, Untrod Tripod, Medicated Lain, SpyreX

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch or No Lynch