Starcraft Mafia Mini 1210 (Over)

[Iecerint]

The general dialectic of this session for me has been this:

Iec: Well, Vifam/Kerrigan might be 3rd party recruiting scum or something, but is that such a big deal when town wincons (or at least mine -- ASK THE MOD ABOUT YOURSELVES GUYS, CHRIST [SPOILERS: NO ONE DOES THIS]) remain unchanged?
scooby: WELLLL THAT WOULD MEAN VIFAM ISN'T TOWN SO WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM.
Iec: Wellll I don't really think Vifam is anti-town, though...I just think he's 3rd party...also, I want more wincons, since I know I keep my town one, so I personally want that hypo-recruiter type or whatever to stick around.

[REPEAT A GILLION TIMES]

scooby: VOTE IEC YOU ARE SCUM WITH VIFAM

[kiwieagle]

you can unvote if you have hammered?

[DemonHybrid]

I didn't hammer Vifam. He was L-2.

[DemonHybrid]

I heard the word "cult" being thrown around a LOT.

I agree with Kerrigan being in here but I am NOT ruling out mafia or third party 1-shot recruiter (survivor or SK).

Everyone has name claimed, which pretty much confirms Kerrigan being scum but no one claims Overlord to mask a Kerrigan claim. That's fucking laughable.

[Iecerint]

Vifam didn't know the story very well IIRC. He mainly did the competitive side of things. So this might partially explain such a decision.

I agree that it's not super likely, since we basically have to make-up a reason for Vifam to err.

[ooba]

Vote Count:

Morthas-

Scott Brosius, Iecerint ooba (L-3)

Iecerint

scooby (L-5)

Scooby-

Vifam (L-5)

Vifam-

ShadowDancer, Morthas, Kiwieagle, Furcolow (L-2)

Not voting

- DemonHybrid

With ten alive, its six to lynch

Deadline September 18

The is going to end in a deadlock. SD, Kiwi, Furclow, scooby are being stubborn even though
- Play clearly suggests Vifam isn't scum with Espeonage (Interactions) and all of you seem to agree on that
- If Vifam is cult, you're saying
-- DN gave cult the worst fakeclaim possible just so that it would stick out amongst other claims. Also the can't vote mechanic which clearly implicates Kerrigan cult.
-- DN added a Cult+Mafia in a mini but restricted the game size to 12 players??

Please compromise and lynch Morthas. We're heading towards a no-lynch.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote Count:

Morthas-

Scott Brosius, Iecerint ooba (L-3)

Iecerint

scooby (L-5)

Scooby-

Vifam (L-5)

Vifam-

ShadowDancer, Morthas, Kiwieagle, Furcolow (L-2)

Not voting

- DemonHybrid

With ten alive, its six to lynch

Deadline September 18

The is going to end in a deadlock. SD, Kiwi, Furclow, scooby are being stubborn even though
- Play clearly suggests Vifam isn't scum with Espeonage (Interactions) and all of you seem to agree on that
- If Vifam is cult, you're saying
-- DN gave cult the worst fakeclaim possible just so that it would stick out amongst other claims. Also the can't vote mechanic which clearly implicates Kerrigan cult.
-- DN added a Cult+Mafia in a mini but restricted the game size to 12 players??

Please compromise and lynch Morthas. We're heading towards a no-lynch.

Vote: Morthas

[Iecerint]

Vifam doesn't have to be cult to be non-town. Also, the detail that Scooby can't vote Vifam is one that I'd briefly forgotten and that DH hasn't really grappled with today (?).

Anyway, I agree with the underlying thesis that lynching Morthas is the way to go.

[DemonHybrid]

I haven't grappled with it because it'd be useless to grapple with it. It's WIFOM to consider scooby's restriction

at all

.

[Iecerint]

Raynor not being able to "vote" (read: kill) Kerrigan is a major source of the (melo)drama from Starcraft 2.

My guess is that by "WIFOM" what you mean is that the game's being advertised "bastard" makes it hard to say that X is implausible.

It's true that this game's "bastard" implications mean we can "grain of salt" certain things, but I think the "bastard implications" can WAAAAAY be explained away with just wincon modulation. Positing that someone who likes the flavor enough to make a game about it will totally ignore the flavor in formulating the set-up is too extreme.

[DemonHybrid]

Hm.

Unvote, Vote: Vifam

I guess that's a good point. I still don't get the Oversoul claim but we'll see.

[Iecerint]

Well, I mean. I still prefer to lynch Morthas in spite of that.

I just like to fully articulate both sides, assuming that one of them isn't in imaginary-world.

[kiwieagle]

The only reason Iecerint doesnt want to lynch Vifam is because he wants his wincon changed, which imo is scummy.

[Iecerint]

It's not the ONLY reason.

I'm also skeptical that the wincon-modder is more anti-town than anti-scum, since I know that my town wincon, at least, cannot change.

So I want more wincons AND AFAIK basically there's no reason anyone who's town has anything to fear from more wincons. That's another way of putting it.

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: Except that it's possible that the wincon modder gives an EXTRA win requirement rather than an ALTERNATE one.

Though whether that's an anti-town stipulation is a separate matter (i.e. because EXTRA folk will actually be more inclined to do pro-town things than ALTERNATE folk, anyway, even if EXTRA folk personally get a worse situation).

[DemonHybrid]

I've said like 5 times so far today that I don't care about who dies; Vifam or Morthas as long as Morthas dies today or tomorrow. If lynching Vifam is necessary to get rid of this third party, then I'm go.

You made a great point and I'm actually kind of curious if Vifam mixed something up with his claim, as that's the ONLY thing temting me to prevent getting rid of the WIFOM.

[Iecerint]

I'm also skeptical that the wincon-modder is more anti-town than anti-scum, since I know that my town wincon, at least, cannot change.

THOUGH I forgot about DH's "wincon mod stopper" ability. So that may imply that either DH is scum (I doubt it, given the Vifam situation, even though Duke is Mengsk-aligned), or the wincon-modder IS anti-town.

[Iecerint]

IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF MORTHASCUM OR VIFAM OH WAIT HE WAS REPLACED BY SOMEONE LOL WOULD PLAY THE GAME.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm also skeptical that the wincon-modder is more anti-town than anti-scum, since I know that my town wincon, at least, cannot change.

THOUGH I forgot about DH's "wincon mod stopper" ability. So that may imply that either DH is scum (I doubt it, given the Vifam situation, even though Duke is Mengsk-aligned), or the wincon-modder IS anti-town.

Fuck, now I'm confused. If you had told me Duke was Mengsk aligned a while ago I would have disregarded the flavor even harder.

I'm positive the wincon modder is anti-town and always have been.

[Iecerint]

Duke starts out as Confederate-aligned, then joins the Sons of Korhal (Mengsk's rebel organization) when Mengsk and Raynor save him in Episode I. Blah blah blah Mengsk overthrows the Confederacy and founds the Dominion with Duke as his right-hand-ish man, and Raynor leaves because Mengsk leaves Kerrigan to be killed by the Zerg. Duke remains Mengsk-aligned until he's killed when Kerrigan betrays the Kerrigan-Raynor-Protoss-Mengsk super alliance in Episode VI.

I posted a big flavor summary that incorporates all the claimed roles early in my post history.

I'm pretty sure several people noted the Duke-Mengsk connection in relation to your claim D2, especially because Duke switches alignments from the Confederacy to the Dominion very early in the story and is kind of a dick.

[DemonHybrid]

Aye.

Man, I have a headache from this game.

[Shadow Dancer]

Did Iec just manage t get the salient point across to Demon? Can we stop the sarcastic strawmanning now? Great!

Also:

Hello! Hello? Tarsonis to

Ooba

! This is Shadow speaking. You still did not explain your scott vote, neither did you adress your night action as I asked you to do.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm getting dangerously close to being as confused as I was during LMP's Mini Normal. That's critical levels we're talking about here.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm getting dangerously close to being as confused as I was during LMP's Mini Normal. That's critical levels we're talking about here.

EBWOP: Super Smash Bros Fan's Mini Normal, my bad.

[Furcolow]

No, I just figured he was fakeclaiming overlord as the overmind so that it would be perceived as a miller