1237: The Orange Box - OVER

[Hiraki]

Stop trying to be something you're not.

[Captain Corporal]

Hiplop, resorting to self-meta is not the way to go.
There was more AtR in #199. More scummyness =D

[haoala]

I did some rereading and 2 people stand out.

Bub

for basically contributing nothing worthy so far.

Vote: numberQ

I agree with Hiplop. This looks like just narrating. There is no insight or opinion, it's just "oh, this what happened, and I'm not goin got give my opinions". Looks like fake scumhunting to me.

Sheeping. (Note that he hasn't done much at this point either)

No insight and no pressure. The post reeks of "hey everybody, I'm here and I'm reading the thread." Again, fake scumhunting. No honest attempt to follow up on your reads, no vote to try and gain more info and move the game forward, just nothing but useless narration that looks like an attempt to make you look like town. In my book, that's textbook fake scumhunting.

Just saying the same thing again.

Hiplop is probtown. Just is attitude and they way he carries himself is not consistent with scum.

Haola, on the other hand, is difficult for me to read. His early vote on me seems legit, and it moved discussion forward, as does his later vote on NumberQ. However, I don't like his "Lynch Hiplop Flowchart". That could just be a townie mistake, though.

Bub defending hiplop?

Yeah, I guess it does look bad, but I really don't have a strong opinion on Haola. I do think hiplop is town though, after re-reading him.

Looks to me like cautious scum who will say "I told you so" when I flip town.

hiplop

Was a RV on haoala

, i found ACTUAL SCUMMY BEHAVIOR, I lead a wagon on NumberQ. Its the way the game works.

They werent SUPER SRS!

just moderately. There is a

pretty high chance haoala is scum

, but NUMBERQ is more likely.

Self contradiction. His defence against Robo's wall also seems weak to me. I get the feeling that he's trying to brush accusations aside. hiplop is also playing exactly like how scum played in another game. CC, doesn't this remind you of 80's music mafia?

My vote goes to hiplop.
VOTE: hiplop

[Captain Corporal]

CC, doesn't this remind you of 80's Music Mafia?

Oh man, you are so right. Although I also remember bussing the person you're talking about right now. See where I'm going with this?

[haoala]

Absolutely. You think I'm doing that?

[Captain Corporal]

I'm not discounting the possibility.
Either way, Hiplop should be lynched today. From his flip I'll re-evaluate my opinions.

[xRECKONERx]

I did some rereading and 2 people stand out.

OH REALLY
SO THE TWO TOP SUSPECTS OTHER THAN YOURSELF
JUST SO HAPPEN TO BE THE TWO PEOPLE THAT 'STAND OUT' DURING YOUR REREAD

CAN WE LYNCH THIS NOW

[haoala]

I'd appreciate if you could appeal to reason because I don't get you.

[Captain Corporal]

I believe he's saying you're scum because you just jumped on the only two bandwagons going.

Still, the hiplop wagon > haoala wagon. If hiplop flips town, haoala will be null, if scum, haoala will be scum.

[haoala]

There was no wagon on bub.

[xRECKONERx]

The resistance to a haoala wagon makes me want it even more.

And someone doesn't need a wagon to be a top suspect... do I really need to explain this?

[haoala]

Was Bub really a "top suspect"? I didn't see this. Maybe to you, but not to everyone.

[xRECKONERx]

Obviously, the most amount of people suspect you & hiplop. After that, though, there have been at least THREE people who suspected Bub. You just took the easy route.

[Captain Corporal]

Yea, I didn't like like some of his earlier posting... I think I said something about it last page.

[haoala]

Don't forget numberQ. Furthermore, remember that I first voted Bub. If my suspicion was there already, I don't think "taking the easy route" is a valid accusation.

[xRECKONERx]

Hiraki also might be scum FYI.

[haoala]

Just spotted this

1. Why do you play Mafia?
2. How do you react to people attacking you?
3. What will you be known for in this game?

1) fun
2) sometimes anger, sometimes sarcasm, sometimes logic, sometimes disappear/lurk

3) IDK, i'm different in just about every game.

if you honestly think I'm scum, do a ridiculouly quick meta on me, I told you, I'm confirmed town o_o

It's quite ridiculous ahahahaha.

[haoala]

I'm not sure if Reck is town, but I do know haoala is

definitely 100% scum

and that little bit of pressure crushed him.

I'll reread you if haoala flips town but I'm sad that this game is this easy.

I find it curious that DH now thinks I might flip town in contrast to his earlier proposition.

[Oversoul]

I haven't really been paying attention to this game, but I can say that Haola is flail grasping at anything that might be scummy to get pressure off him. Since I forgot to vote you when I said I would

VOTE: Haola

Hiplop, how does you receiving an item make you 100% confirmed town? Does that also mean we can consider RedPanda 100% confirmed town?

[DemonHybrid]

I'm not sure if Reck is town, but I do know haoala is

definitely 100% scum

and that little bit of pressure crushed him.

I'll reread you if haoala flips town but I'm sad that this game is this easy.

I find it curious that DH now thinks I might flip town in contrast to his earlier proposition.

It's less me thinking you might flip town and more "there's always a chance for someone to be wrong".

You're still extremely scummy.

[Umbrage]

(expired on 2011-09-23 12:00:00)

Stand on the bloody point, ya half-wit!

RedPanda (1) - Hiraki
Oversoul (0)
Robocopter87 (0)
haoala (5) - DemonHybrid, numberQ, hiplop, xRECKONERx, Oversoul
Chronopie (0)
xRECKONERx (0)
DemonHybrid (0)
Captain Corporal (0)
hiplop (5) - RedPanda, Captain Corporal, Chronopie, Robocopter87, haoala
Bub Bidderskins (0)
Alabaska J (0)
Hiraki (0)
numberQ (2) - Bub Bidderskins, haoala

Not Voting: Alabaska J

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

Hiraki, Bub, and haoala need to do something useful with their votes.

Mod: prod on numberQ?

[xRECKONERx]

And Chronopie?

[Alabaska J]

okay. so after rereading, i still am getting fishy vibes from xRECKONERx, but from a quick meta, he plays like he does now throughout games. he is still pushing these two lynches really hard, which is what i would expect from scum in a position where two wagons are alive and well. however, it gets complicated, as both of the wagons are on pretty scummy people. yeah i know nothing new, but this game is only nine pages long. i doubt reposting evidence that has been beaten to death will help, so i'll stick to more recent posts that aren't as analyzed.

hiplop:

dont havve much to say...

really? how about trying to defend yourself from a wagon????

Even if I/they were scum, your cases are beyond awful. Its complete nitpicking, like look at that last post. you're not trying to find scum, you're trying to establish an ego.

at this stage, is it really nitpicking? we are scavenging for evidence early on…we don't have much to work with.

quick aside:

You guys started this game really badly.

How so?

As in, it's boring.

No fun.

Yawn.

No, RedPanda. It's not random.

HIPLOP WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED

Way to pay attention. Redpanda got one too.

these are important posts. i'll spell it out if i have to, but yeah. read them.

hiplop's 196 is not gelling with me. He admits the first point is right, counters that the second is semantics (i regard that as a weak defense, unless it is an obvious misunderstanding, which doesn't seem to be the case here), i don't understand his defense of the third point (if it's pretty obvious the lynch isn't gonna happen, why invest so much into it? you seem to imply that scum will get panicky if they are quickwagonned at the beginning, but i don't see why a townie wouldn't panic), straight up refuses to answer the fourth (red flag), (i am confused by his response to the fifth one; was that post by numberq or robo?), and the establish and ego comment is still not explained well. the assertion that he is town DEFINITELY doesn't help is case, as a cursory glance at that post can certainly confuse people who aren't as active.

if you honestly think I'm scum, do a ridiculouly quick meta on me, I told you, I'm confirmed town o_o

this one has already been addressed, but srsly, self-meta???? come on man

haola at this point has been fairly absent, just one post from page seven (when the wagon on hiplop really starts up) until this one, which i actually like, although it is fairly ominous timing. definitely seems opportunistic to attack hiplop right then and go back to bub, who he voted with an early serious vote that attracted a lot of suspicion. however, if the main case against this post is its timing, well that's a bit weak for me. xRECKONERx obviously doesn't share my read on this post, but i'm not sure why. is the timing the main thing for you as well? i know it DOES seem pretty convenient for him to come out right now with those suspects, but if haola was town i would expect him to find those two people suspicious (the obviously suspicious guy and the dude you voted for early on). the rest of the page is him frantically defending this assertion, which seem pretty null to me, as i would expect town haola to do the same thing.

right now i feel comfortable saying

vote: hiplop

as it seems pretty evident to me (and xRECKONERx, ironically enough) voting outside of hiplop and haola will just stall our day (although i am going to review Red Panda). one last closing thought:

Hiraki also might be scum FYI.

xRECKONERx also might be scum FYI. <-- see how easy it is? wanna try and elaborate? hopefully my aside earlier exonerates him in your eyes.

[hiplop]

@Self-Meta. I didnt say anything about what the meta is, I just told you to look at it. I'm pretty incapable of copying my town meta, and its pretty obvious too, thats why im confirmed town, its a slight exageration but still.

Haoala going for the easy lynch is NOTED.

at this stage, is it really nitpicking? we are scavenging for evidence early on…we don't have much to work with.

Nitpicking to me means something that isnt actually there, ie making something out of nothing. Thats what it was, his post honestly had no merit at all, and I'd be willing to say hes a scumbuddy of haoala, hes not actually doing ANYTHING. Just trying to look like it.

hiplop's 196 is not gelling with me. He admits the first point is right, counters that the second is semantics (i regard that as a weak defense, unless it is an obvious misunderstanding, which doesn't seem to be the case here), i don't understand his defense of the third point (if it's pretty obvious the lynch isn't gonna happen, why invest so much into it? you seem to imply that scum will get panicky if they are quickwagonned at the beginning, but i don't see why a townie wouldn't panic), straight up refuses to answer the fourth (red flag), (i am confused by his response to the fifth one; was that post by numberq or robo?), and the establish and ego comment is still not explained well. the assertion that he is town DEFINITELY doesn't help is case, as a cursory glance at that post can certainly confuse people who aren't as active.

First was mudslinging
2nd was a misunderstanding
3rd - its scumhunting, I'm pretty good at this game and can tell when its scum or not, the reactions will be different (town mindset it "you're wrong", scums is "ofuck you're on to me")
4th was him, and I was joking around. It does have some merit, however. He hasnt said why I'm scum, but hes pursued me for a long time.