Toy Story Mafia (Day 9)

[Flavour Analysis]

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood.

Jmurph isn't confirmed town to us. Just confirmed character role.

[jmurph3]

Why don't you tell us what you talked to FA about last night and did you neighborize Random Acts?

Last night FA and I discussed whether or not they would be lynched straight off, and the seeming improbability of having two neighborhoods and a mason group, all with no scum. I did neighborize RandomActs, and it went through, though I will not be able to talk to him until tonight.

[Rainbowdash]

Ok, so I would prefer to have everyone check in first, but I think everything that needs to be done is done.

NtW is town
Spy is town
diddin is town
---
RA is 90% town
Peregrine is 90% town (is town if kunk is non-goon, especially if he is RB)
---
jmurph is 80% town or so. This pony nags at me but I think he is town
FA is in a similar situation, the vig kill makes him look town although gut is rumbly

Juls/PJ/Rhinox - Two scum here, maybe all three, but I think it caps at two... 50-50 on that. FA I almost lean town because of this because PJ and Juls don't work well with that pony.

What doesn't work at this point

Jmurph-RA
Jmurph-FA
FA-RA
PJ-FA

Keep those in mind because the two more questionable town reads do have some distinct "do not work" partners.

Note that I would also not be fine lynching RA outside of both FA and jmurph town AND late in the game. If kunk is non-goon, especially RBer, Peregrine gets bumped to top town tier too.

[Juls]

You guys are welcome to lynch me tomorrow and I will take my shot. If Rainbow and Ntw vig me tonight, I expect their blood tomorrow.

Vote: kunkstar

[Juls]

Prediction: Rainbow is going to lose this game for us.

Relevant.

[Rainbowdash]

Prediction: Rainbow is going to lose this game for us.

Relevant.

Im keeping town in this game.

Not sure who im going to claw at this point. Will be from the trio, that much is for sure.

[petroleumjelly]

Juls/PJ/Rhinox

If you're going to limit your kill to one of us, then do not kill Juls. If Juls is Town, having her lynched is infinitely more useful than having her nightkilled because it gives us another kill to work with.

[Juls]

Explain exactly how me being scum makes any sense whatsoever?

[Rainbowdash]

Juls/PJ/Rhinox

If you're going to limit your kill to one of us, then do not kill Juls. If Juls is Town, having her lynched is infinitely more useful than having her nightkilled because it gives us another kill to work with.

Given numbers im probably not going to unless she keeps trying to threaten me and NtW. Apart from my whole normal loyalty thing I have extra incentive to not let us get lynched, and will make a kill based on that if pushed into a corner.

I think I know what pony im going for already though unless the role attached to kunk is something utterly unexpected, depending on their flip it may be Juls' turn tomorrow.

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count 5-2

diddin

(0)-

Flavour Analysis

(0)-

jmurph3

(0)-

Juls

(0)-

kunkstar7

(5)- diddin, RandomActs, NanookTheWolf, Rainbowdash, Juls,

NanookTheWolf

(0)-

PeregrineV

(0)-

petroleumjelly

(0)-

Rainbowdash

(0)-

RandomActs

(0)-

Rhinox

(0)-

SpyreX

(0)-



Not Voting (7)- Flavour Analysis, jmurph3, kunkstar7, PeregrineV, petroleumjelly, Rhinox, SpyreX,

With 12 alive, it's 7 to a lynch.

Deadline is October 8th at 1pm EST.
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[jmurph3]

Since FA has fully claimed their role and actions, I am going to VOTE: Kunkstar. That's L-1, people.

[Rainbowdash]

I would prefer to have Spy and diddin say something first so would appreciate taking him off L-1 until that happens.

[Juls]

diddin has already spoken.

[Rainbowdash]

I mean more then a vote, like vote and "I think this pony is scum/town too".

[Flavour Analysis]

I would like for Spy to say something. I think he is a good investigation.

Who did Blonde Doctor replace... Oh wait, he replaced Beck, didn't he?

[Juls]

Spyrex is masons with diddin. Anything that needs to be said can be said either tomorrow or through diddin in the night QT. I mean I love Spyrex and would love to hear from him but it aint nothing to hold day up for.

[Flavour Analysis]

OH, I would still like to hear something from him. They aren't fused or anything. Don't see the rush.

[petroleumjelly]

Okay, this needs saying again.

I think FlavourAnalysis is scum. I'm at the point where I just don't care about the Woody claim. I don't need to explain everything in this game in order to be right.

1.)

FlavourAnalysis thought he was caught in the act of the nightkill on Night One. He was originally going to claim Cop -- he breadcrumbed Cop at the very beginning of the game. Although he claimed he apparently talked with chkflip about fake breadcrumbing at the beginning of the game, chkflip never confirmed this conversation, and more importantly, chkflip has been replaced by kunkstar7, who is now confirmed to be

scum

.

I'm thinking the reason chkflip never confirmed the conversation was because it was a scum conversation and he was probably just facepalming at FlavourAnalysis' explanation. How has

nobody

brought this up? This has been on my mind practically ever since FlavourAnalysis has claimed, and it's like it feels like this is just a permanent blind spot for everybody but me.

As for the "missing" kill -- it looks more and more to me like there wasn't a missing kill in the first place. I don't claim to understand why scum would want to kill SodaSpirit17 -- I can only assume scum though the was a power role for some reason, or they were trying to make a "random" kill so as to not give away information or whatever. I don't understand a

lot

of nightkills in this game.

But there are no Doctor roles to explain a lack of a kill other than the Jailkeeper. bobsnox apparently wasn't even Bulletproof, so that can't explain the missing kill.

I think there is no "missing" kill because the scum killed SodaSpirit17 on Night One.

2.)

Lest we forget, FlavourAnalysis originally claimed Vigilante after thinking he was caught sending in a kill. But after having a Night to think about things, and after the Aliens claimed, he suddenly changed his claim to JOAT because he realized he could no longer get away with claiming Vigilante. This is ridiculously important.

He did not change his claim to JOAT until AFTER the Aliens claimed

. He did

not

start Day Three saying "by the way, I'm not really a Vigilante." He only did it when it was essentially necessary to guarantee his survival.

3.)

On Night Two, FlavourAnalysis claimed to have jailkept

Rainbow Dash

. Seriously. As I've explained earlier, this looks to me like the scum just roleblocked Rainbow Dash, and decided to explain it in a "friendly" way.

4.)

On Night Three, FlavourAnalysis chose to protect

jmurph3

? Words are hard to even put here.

5.)

And now FlavourAnalysis claims to not have any more powers. I suspect this is because bobsnox claimed to only have three powers as a JOAT. And finally:

6.)

Apparently bobsnox

was

a JOAT. So I'm really doubting FlavourAnalysis just

happens

to be a

second

JOAT who just

happened

to get caught sending in a kill who just

happens

to not have any powers that can actually help the Town.

[petroleumjelly]

Oh. And:

7.)

FlavourAnalysis just suggested we have RandomActs investigate a

Mason

(SpyreX). Yep.

[Juls]

PJ it's certainly possible that FA is scum and I have thought so many many times. However, I can't ignore the strong coincidence that both Woody and Buzz claimed JOAT. It seems almost possible. But yeah, I don't know on that slot. It's confused me from the beginning. I can forgive claiming vig and then saying they are JOAT simply because it might have been an effort to hide the true role.

[petroleumjelly]

Why "hide" the fact that you are a JOAT while claiming Vigilante instead? What good does that do if you are Town?

[Juls]

The only thing I could think of is that scum may think you are on the wrong track and let you keep killing. But I agree, FA is suspect.

Until the Blonde Doctor flip I had considered that the Woody's Roundup gang were all scum.

[diddin]

supported vigshots are peregrine/FA.

[Flavour Analysis]

Okay, this needs saying again.

I think FlavourAnalysis is scum. I'm at the point where I just don't care about the Woody claim. I don't need to explain everything in this game in order to be right.

1.)

FlavourAnalysis thought he was caught in the act of the nightkill on Night One. He was originally going to claim Cop -- he breadcrumbed Cop at the very beginning of the game. Although he claimed he apparently talked with chkflip about fake breadcrumbing at the beginning of the game, chkflip never confirmed this conversation, and more importantly, chkflip has been replaced by kunkstar7, who is now confirmed to be

scum

.

I'm thinking the reason chkflip never confirmed the conversation was because it was a scum conversation and he was probably just facepalming at FlavourAnalysis' explanation. How has

nobody

brought this up? This has been on my mind practically ever since FlavourAnalysis has claimed, and it's like it feels like this is just a permanent blind spot for everybody but me.

As for the "missing" kill -- it looks more and more to me like there wasn't a missing kill in the first place. I don't claim to understand why scum would want to kill SodaSpirit17 -- I can only assume scum though the was a power role for some reason, or they were trying to make a "random" kill so as to not give away information or whatever. I don't understand a

lot

of nightkills in this game.

But there are no Doctor roles to explain a lack of a kill other than the Jailkeeper. bobsnox apparently wasn't even Bulletproof, so that can't explain the missing kill.

I think there is no "missing" kill because the scum killed SodaSpirit17 on Night One.

2.)

Lest we forget, FlavourAnalysis originally claimed Vigilante after thinking he was caught sending in a kill. But after having a Night to think about things, and after the Aliens claimed, he suddenly changed his claim to JOAT because he realized he could no longer get away with claiming Vigilante. This is ridiculously important.

He did not change his claim to JOAT until AFTER the Aliens claimed

. He did

not

start Day Three saying "by the way, I'm not really a Vigilante." He only did it when it was essentially necessary to guarantee his survival.

3.)

On Night Two, FlavourAnalysis claimed to have jailkept

Rainbow Dash

. Seriously. As I've explained earlier, this looks to me like the scum just roleblocked Rainbow Dash, and decided to explain it in a "friendly" way.

4.)

On Night Three, FlavourAnalysis chose to protect

jmurph3

? Words are hard to even put here.

5.)

And now FlavourAnalysis claims to not have any more powers. I suspect this is because bobsnox claimed to only have three powers as a JOAT. And finally:

6.)

Apparently bobsnox

was

a JOAT. So I'm really doubting FlavourAnalysis just

happens

to be a

second

JOAT who just

happened

to get caught sending in a kill who just

happens

to not have any powers that can actually help the Town.

1) We decided to crumb cop at the beginning of the game regardless of what we were, it was some kind of inside joke between chkflip and Ranmaru. Also in every game I've been in on this site mafia (stupidly) doesn't have daychat, so how in the hell would we have had a scum conversation with chkflip at the start of D1?

SodaSpirit was a vig kill by us, we used our vig kill first in case we were nightkilled, because he was acting scummy.

2) This is stupid. Of course we didn't want to claim JoaT until we used all our powers; would you? Now we are vt and you can vig us for all I care, but I'm glad we got to use all our powers. Also don't misconstrue the facts, we claimed one-shot vig, so fully claiming JoaT after the alien claim was still our choice and not necessary for survival.

3) Do you understand that jailkeeping not only stops someone from using their night action, but it also protects them? Ran found Rainbow suspicious, I found her townie, so we jailkept her. Also, if she were scum, at that point it would have been easiest for her to send in the nk because she was for the most part considered town by most players so we thought that if she were scum we had a good chance of blocking a kill for that Night.

4) Jmurph is confirmed town to us. I would protect confirmed town over all ya'll any Day because (other than the fact that I haven't been keeping up on this game) I don't trust anyone OTHER than jmurph.

5) We had three powers, and I cbf to check if bobsnox said what his three were or not but I'll bet they were all different from ours. Buzz is a spaceman and Woody is a sheriff, their skillsets are pretty different and would be reflected as such in our powers. *personal, flavor related comment* Also I'm glad that bobs was a JoaT, just for the fact that Buzz was always my hero and deserves an awesome role <3

6) Vig us, and when we flip town motherfucking JoaT lynch PJ please for this very opportunistic case on us. Also two JoaTs fit with the flavor, and why don't you have an issue with the fact that there are two neighbor groups and a mason group?

7) Are they town confirmed to each other? Because I've been in a masonry with an indy before; shit happens. I also doubt they are town confirmed to each other considering that with jmurph we are confirmed that she is Bullseye but given no information regarding her alignment.

Why "hide" the fact that you are a JOAT while claiming Vigilante instead? What good does that do if you are Town?

It allows us to use the rest of our night actions and potentially stop a scum night action/save a townie with jailkeep and save a townie with doc.

[petroleumjelly]

I am not going to respond point-by-point. I will just say two things:

1.)

You are claiming jmurph3 is both "confirmed Town" while also saying you were "given no information regarding her alignment." You can't even keep your story straight.

2.)

You are acting like you couldn't have possibly talked with chkflip about the game during the game. Last I checked, the roles in this game were sent on a Wednesday, and the Mod did not start the game until "20ish" players had confirmed their roles, the following Thursday. So I suspect you would have time to talk during that time period.

Additionally, regardless of whether scum have Daytalk or not in "other games" has no bearing on whether scum have daytalk in

this

game: after all, the Aliens apparently

do

have the ability to daytalk, and so this game could easily be an exception.