Goofbash Invitational (Game Over)

[Faraday]

might just dump my readthrough stuff tomorrow to let everyone take a look at it i guess

[xRECKONERx]

might as well because I'm too lazy/busy over the next few days to do a damn thing

[tanstalas]

Mina.

Vote Dram or IC.

One of them is scum.

I thought you were smart when I met you at goofbash.

Please do not disappoint me

[dramonic]

I think the better thing to do is take a chill day, have them say whatever the hell you want to hear, then go to night on a No Lynch. You'll get your "valued town opinion", and I'll get my 2 suspects instead of 3.

[Irish Carbomb]

Spoiler: tans

scumpoints for tans:
#259 , yeah no. Tans basically goes ‘the only way you could think Mina is town is because you’re scum looking for townpoints’. a) that’s stupid and it doesn’t happen in reality, as I pointed out at the time and b) tans has played enough mafia to fucking know this. Also the whole conversation over of gods and men was really scummy imo, like I forgot a game so, what? He’s applying scum motivation to something that’s on my fucking wiki, and considering it was about my ability to read Mina it was something I SHOULD have been pimping since I read her correctly there. I'm not sure if this is confirmation bias since

I

was being attacked here but...I don't

think

it is.

#275 is bad, as it’s a cheap pot shot based on one game meta. It just looks slimy. Why do you think one game meta is valid for something like that?

#315 and #327 are weirdish interactions with ABR. Yes I said weird, blow me. Tans what do you think sounded sincere about ABR? Which posts in particular struck you as sincere?

THIS doesn’t fucking like a sincere reaction to your top scum suspect self hammering, it looks like he knows we’re town and is starting the ‘berate them for self hammering’ shtuff. You’ve offered to self hammer as town before too, why would you even ASK that question when you’ve thought about doing it before, in dexter mafia.

Explain this?

HE THEN GOES AND TELLS ME I

KNOW

IT WASN’T A HAMMER. SO WHY DIDN’T HE? How does his reaction work then? It’s fake as fuckkkkkkk.

I don’t think he’s legit scumhunting, him not knowing we’d unclaimed, but we’re his top suspects or were or were close or some shit. what sorta fuckin’ shit is this.

This is fucking awful. It was pretty obvious at this stage he wasn’t a fucking cop, it seems so fake to even throw it out there.

his VCA is p bad and terrible in the way he looks at the game and tries to clear himself. I mean he continually ignores the fact his ‘amazing bus’ of nikanor like he claims isn’t one.

sigh sigh

townpoints for tans:
There are more so gut town stuff, like. IDK his posts do actually read as fucking horrible even when I’m looking for town points but stuff like this seems...too bad for scum to post in some ways.

His push on ABR is there, I mean it’s actually not great, but at least it’s

there

I suppose.

back and forth with me felt fairly damn townish too

Spoiler: Dram

scumpoints for dram:

Er I’m also putting this here in the scum pile *because I can*.i’m not sure if dram has played patrick games but i’d have thought it’d be pretty obvious patrick wouldn’t be the type of guy to include an insane cop.

Eh dram, why did you never come back to the all neighbours can’t be town thing? You don’t seem at all suspicious of Minasuki, so I’m confused.

This feels slightly disengenous? I guess

Hey dram would you post this as scum if ABR was your buddy? Would you just hammer? How would you have handled it as scum? As town?

townpoints for dram:

Uh this looks pretty town to me

I’m putting his antagonising of fate as a slight town tell. DEAL WITH IT.

He could have easily switched to us instead of sens though, I still think 2 town deaths would have helped scum instead of 1 even if we were a distraction.

Call me crazy but it’s a town tell that dram wasn’t on ONE scumlynch if he’s scum. I mean fuck he could have easily jumped on blackberry, I know he’s the traitor but it was an easy wagon even if I did think some of the things he said like the insane cop were weird.

I’m totally fucking accepting that self meta just now and saying I think would be slightly more ‘with it’ as scum.

Spoiler: abr/bb

ABR ISO stuff:
ABR did nothing most of the game

Idk the ‘OMGUS’ between him and Tans always looked so fake. Wait, hold on.
Why didn’t ABR want vengeful town us to shoot his top suspect Tanstalas? He was on tans for most of yesterday before switching to Sens so this seems a really weird about face. Eh, if I’d shot town as a Vengeful was it game over?
Oh, no. it’d have put it in lylo next day w/ a nightkill though.

Also ‘Well I'm fine lynching you first and you can use your vengeful kill on Mina. I trust Reck to do this, not Faraday btw. Kill Mina FTW.’ because he knows I was never gonna shoot Mina but might have hoped reck could...um convince me? IDK.

Hmm this is weird. I suppose ABR isn’t an OBVIOUS lynch here but with me voting him, Vit having ABR as his top suspect it was fairly probable.

Blackberry:

Right, either blackberry knew the scum or scum knew blackberry, right?
Let’s go with a) as it's easier to work with

BB
Nikanor is there. So does BB put another buddy on his pink list in tans or on the other list in dramonic. if it was *me* i’d do the former, but I’m used to manipulating lists as scum. I dunno about BB.

This makes me think BB knew ABR was scum and was trying to diffuse the situation between us and him.

Are you more likely to FORGET your buddy or put him on the town list? I dunno.

I know BB hates scum so I'm not sure which of these are more likely then

Mina why do you think Dram is/was scum? Do you still think that? I dunno, shit like this isn't my forte. I'd like a response to the questions in here from dram/tans respectively

eh sorry if this is not organised well

[Faraday]

and i'm back!

[Faraday]

Mina.

Vote Dram or IC.

One of them is scum.

I thought you were smart when I met you at goofbash.

Please do not disappoint me

oh, okay. this isn't slimy as fuck or anything

[xRECKONERx]

welp

vote: tanstalas

after my VCA, I was sold
after Faraday's reread and isos, he's pretty convinced too

MAYBE we should be waiting for an answer to the questions, but I really don't care. if dram was scum, he'd have TRIED to look better somewhere

we're inching closer to deadline and nobody's really doing a damn thing. tans is the last scum, I'm 80% sure of it, and that's about as good as you can get in a game this size
reread my VCA
reread Faraday's isos and points
and tell me how he's not scum

the other 20% of me thinks it could still be dram, but if it actually turns out to be him, well it just goes to show that I can't read him nearly as well as I used to
and if it actually turns out to be Minasuki after ALL OF THIS, I need to retire from this game or something

[Faraday]

i have a knot in my stomach the size of a clenched fist right now.

[Faraday]

Hey Mina. You should vote Tanstalas. It's an easy way to find out if he's scum or not!

>_>

<_<

[Faraday]

What's the strategic purpose of then switching your vote to someone else, when you know your buddy will flip scum that day?

i finally worked out what you meant

as a counterpoint i did it in metamafia, remember? I was very first on quadz, switched to vv then switched back. actually on the other hand i was really worried i made myself look obvious with the switch to vv so the psychology might be okay

[xRECKONERx]

Our cards are completely laid out on the table now. I feel confident in our decision. But I'm still fucking paranoid.

[Faraday]

the joys of lylo! .___.

[tanstalas]

Our cards are completely laid out on the table now. I feel confident in our decision. But I'm still fucking paranoid.

Then your reads are shit or you're scum.

[xRECKONERx]

brilliant response!

[Faraday]

brilliant response!

[tanstalas]

I don't think anything else needs to be said. I think you are scum. If you aren't then Dramonic is and he is getting a free ride to a win.

[Faraday]

I don't think anything else needs to be said. I think you are scum. If you aren't then Dramonic is and he is getting a free ride to a win.

woah almost thought this was a serious post then realised you were trolling me. tricky bastard

[dramonic]

Free ride wheeeee!

[Mina]

I would like to take some time to deliberate on this game since I have a few days off right now, but I'm currently leaning in one direction.

(Well, technically, the slot of Katsina is completely on the fence...because Katsuki still wants to vote Irish Carbomb. But I've decided to commandeer this hydra and completely disregard his opinion, because he should be ashamed of himself for having it. *spanks the cupcake*)

Mina.

Vote Dram or IC.

One of them is scum.

I thought you were smart when I met you at goofbash.

Please do not disappoint me

I don't think anything else needs to be said. I think you are scum. If you aren't then Dramonic is and he is getting a free ride to a win.

Well.

So you're saying you don't care WHICH of IC or dramonic I personally vote for, even if I get it wrong and lose the game, because I wouldn't be stupid unless I voted for you.

But meanwhile, you're sure that Irish Carbomb is the last scum. You're confident enough that you're actually willing to give dramonic a free ride.

Or you actually have no idea, but you've decided for arcane reasons that dramonic is the one you want to give a free ride (despite IC having put on the greater show if they were scum, IMO), and not Irish Carbomb.

...but well, hey, I wouldn't want you to think I'm

stupid

. I'm sure you would never appeal to my emotions this blatantly and unscrupulously were you scum, because you're an ethical person. I guess I'll trust you.

Say I told you I was convinced Irish Carbomb was town, and will not vote Irish Carbomb as long as I'm alive (making an IC lynch impossible today)--but that I'm actually really suspicious of dramonic for doing nothing all game and never voting a single scum.

It seems we're at an impasse. What should we do about this? Anything you can say to me to convince me which of IC and dramonic is the better option?

Are you willing to vote dramonic to avoid a no-lynch?

[tanstalas]

No. I said yesterday one of them was scum, and we should have used our two remaining lynches on them.

See. This is where I sit:

If IC is the scum I will kick myself in the ass for him winning if he is not lynched because he was on the chopping block D1, got off with a Venge claim then revealed lol I totally lied. I am in the "never good to lie as town" camp.

If Dramonic is the scum - I can take that loss a little easier because he has lurked this entire game, so I don't have as much to go on.

I also think It's probably more IC because IC is saying Dram is town, so I think maybe he is town and is saying he is town to try and get Dram to vote with him. Know what I mean, jellybean?

I will be VLA this weekend from probably tomorrow until Monday, possibly back Sunday

, depending on how I feel. Going to London

,Ontario

[tanstalas]

Oh - forgot to answer your question, yes I would be willing to vote dram, because it doesn't matter, I'd be left with one of those 2 tomorrow (as you would die tonight probably) and i'd rather lose in MyLo than LyLo - way too much pressure in LyLo - me no likey

[Mina]

I suppose I could swing to dramonic if you voted that way. Unless you persuade me that IC is scum, I'm willing to vote anyone except for Irish Carbomb just so we can get a lynch today. I agree--I'd much rather compromise-vote someone I don't suspect as much and lose the game in MYLO than be forced to make a decision that would

potentially

lose the game in LYLO, because LYLO is so much more stressful than MYLO!

I also think It's probably more IC because IC is saying Dram is town, so I think maybe he is town and is saying he is town to try and get Dram to vote with him. Know what I mean, jellybean?

...um, except you voted for Irish Carbomb

before

he voted for you over dramonic. At that point, IC never called dramonic town, and the two heads were arguing with each other on whom to vote. And even now, he only called dramonic town in relation to you--as in, IC think you're the last scum, and not dramonic.

So basically, you think IC is scum because he suspects one person more than another person.

Why didn't you have a problem with dramonic calling IC town (which he did early in the day)? Maybe he's trying to get IC to vote you with him.

Oh, tans, by the way, IC asked you questions in that big post. Maybe you didn't notice them because they were addressed in a spoiler tag.

(By the way, thanks for that analysis, Faraday--I didn't notice dramonic's reaction to the thread closing and his interaction with Blackberry, for example. Also, I hate you for writing a content-filled wall post with much more effort put into it than one of mine so I can no longer make fun of you.)

[Faraday]

fuck tans and his garbage scum posts


^ this is my current position on the game

[tanstalas]

fuck tans and his

garbage scum

apathetic lazy town posts


^ this is my current position on the game

FTFY

So IC is undecided between myself and Dram (talking about the 2 heads)
Minakatsuki is undecided between all 3 of us
and I'm undecided between IC and Dram

Dram is.. I guess just suspecting me? But no vote on me?

I'm going to hate myself, as I do think IC has a better chance at flipping scum, but since Kats can't convince IC that's not happening

So..

VOTE: Unvote:
Vote: Dram

Below are my responses in bold.

Spoiler: tans

scumpoints for tans:
#259 , yeah no. Tans basically goes ‘the only way you could think Mina is town is because you’re scum looking for townpoints’. a) that’s stupid and it doesn’t happen in reality, as I pointed out at the time and b) tans has played enough mafia to fucking know this. Also the whole conversation over of gods and men was really scummy imo, like I forgot a game so, what? He’s applying scum motivation to something that’s on my fucking wiki, and considering it was about my ability to read Mina it was something I SHOULD have been pimping since I read her correctly there. I'm not sure if this is confirmation bias since

I

was being attacked here but...I don't

think

it is.

#275 is bad, as it’s a cheap pot shot based on one game meta. It just looks slimy. Why do you think one game meta is valid for something like that?

It was a joke.

#315 and #327 are weirdish interactions with ABR. Yes I said weird, blow me. Tans what do you think sounded sincere about ABR? Which posts in particular struck you as sincere?

Up until that point I thought he was being sincere. I thought Mina was town, however just before that I was waffling between scumina or townmina and he came across to me the same way.

THIS doesn’t fucking like a sincere reaction to your top scum suspect self hammering, it looks like he knows we’re town and is starting the ‘berate them for self hammering’ shtuff. You’ve offered to self hammer as town before too, why would you even ASK that question when you’ve thought about doing it before, in dexter mafia.

Explain this?

Different circumstances. You self hammering at that point was dumb, me in Dexter was different. And I didn't self hammer, I just said I would

HE THEN GOES AND TELLS ME I

KNOW

IT WASN’T A HAMMER. SO WHY DIDN’T HE? How does his reaction work then? It’s fake as fuckkkkkkk.

I actually thought you did. Then I was like wait a sec, did he have that many votes? So I went and counted, and you didn't.

I don’t think he’s legit scumhunting, him not knowing we’d unclaimed, but we’re his top suspects or were or were close or some shit. what sorta fuckin’ shit is this.

Apathetic town. However, instead of telling everyone to F*** off like in Dexter I am controlling myself, because I have met most of you, and you know what I look like

This is fucking awful. It was pretty obvious at this stage he wasn’t a fucking cop, it seems so fake to even throw it out there.

I thought he may have been a cop, and got an innocent so was trying to gambit someone else to see if they would slip up

his VCA is p bad and terrible in the way he looks at the game and tries to clear himself. I mean he continually ignores the fact his ‘amazing bus’ of nikanor like he claims isn’t one.

sigh sigh

townpoints for tans:
There are more so gut town stuff, like. IDK his posts do actually read as fucking horrible even when I’m looking for town points but stuff like this seems...too bad for scum to post in some ways.

His push on ABR is there, I mean it’s actually not great, but at least it’s

there

I suppose.

back and forth with me felt fairly damn townish too