New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

[evilpacman18]

Why is there talk of an SK?

[Oversoul]

Ya. That post, Ironhead. Kinda ruined my confidence in you.

[Empking]

Ya. That post, Ironhead. Kinda ruined my confidence in you.

WhaT CONFIDENCE?

Vote: Fat

[Oversoul]

Confidence in that I thought Iron was more likely town in Fat vs Iron, but that most recent post makes me think otherwise.

[TOGTFO]

I laughed at iron's reads. Its like the obv town people he grudgingly admits are town!

Anyways, where the hell is FF?

[Oversoul]

@GM: Can one of the deceased town-affiliated players come back in for these two roles? I can't see how Hoppster or bvoigt would have inside information that would prohibit them coming back to plug these gaps in the roster.

Didn't even see this part of his post.

Ironhead looks like a pretty intelligent player, but he doesn't understand the inherently gamebreaking status of this? It would either confirm or deny one of those slots as town, which would be a direct intervention at the hands of the mod. Pretty sure that isn't going to happen lol.

And why aren't there more comments about my reads?

For all intents and purposes, EPM and I are a masonry (despite his play).

[Ironhead]

Why is there talk of an SK?

I don't think anyone is talking of it -- I recall someone noting that the only way a bad guy can slip through a gunsmith's investigation is if he is a SK, so in an academic sense it has been mentioned.

I laughed at iron's reads. Its like the obv town people he grudgingly admits are town!

How so? I'm not sure who you characterize as "obv town" but since no one is confirmed town,

anyone

could be scum. Even Oversoul

could be

scum, theoretically (scenario: Oversoul buses two partners, then claims to have investigated RedFF, another partner, and cleared him; no one questions those two for the rest of the game, no other PRs bother to waste their time checking on them, until it is too late). This is Mafia -- employ a little skepticism.

Furthermore, the important part of that list were at the bottom -- those I think are scum. Included in that list are players who Oversoul cited as town-reads. Don't you think that is an important discrepancy to note? Speaking of which, what are

your

reads? Are you going to do anything to scumhunt besides petulantly asking others to role-claim?

@GM: Can one of the deceased town-affiliated players come back in for these two roles? I can't see how Hoppster or bvoigt would have inside information that would prohibit them coming back to plug these gaps in the roster.

Didn't even see this part of his post.

Ironhead looks like a pretty intelligent player, but he doesn't understand the inherently gamebreaking status of this? It would either confirm or deny one of those slots as town, which would be a direct intervention at the hands of the mod. Pretty sure that isn't going to happen lol.

It can happen, and often does -- I did it in my very first game on this site, several years ago, after dying early in the game. Assuming they died without any inside information, they can sub into any other town or scum role. From what we can see from their deaths, the only inside information they may have had is their old role (which we all now know) and who they targeted for their nightly actions -- which I don't think would be game-changing, but the GM can judge for himself.

[redFF]

I laughed at iron's reads. Its like the obv town people he grudgingly admits are town!

Anyways, where the hell is FF?

???
right here

[redFF]

^ terrible post
oversoul why did you check me.

[Oversoul]

You looked like scum? Why else would I check anyone? lmao.

There has only been 1 kill a night, I don't understand why you think there is an SK, Ironhead. You are a very skeptical player, Ironhead. Probably one of the most skeptical I have played with actually. Anyway, I can't possibly be scum because of Hiplop's actions anyway so that isn't a good point.

I didn't realize having others replace into another slot in a game they died in was actually a common occurrence. O_o

Empking, would you like to post more than one line at a time? It is incredibly frustrating trying to read you when you always do that.

[Empking]

Iron head is town.

Cool reads too.

[Oversoul]

Cheeky little fish.

[redFF]

Cheeky little piece of toast.

[Ironhead]

There has only been 1 kill a night, I don't understand why you think there is an SK, Ironhead.

I don't think there is an SK I only mentioned it because EPM asked in #1375. What makes you think I think there is an SK?

I didn't realize having others replace into another slot in a game they died in was actually a common occurrence. O_o

Yes, but can only be done if they have no inside info. So vanilla townies can always replace in for any role; scum can never replace in. Other town PRs are contingent upon what inside info they may have; obviously, a dead cop couldn't replace back in since he knows who he investigated and what those results were.

It's pretty common because it is much easier for the replacement to get caught up if he was already a part of the game. In this situation, I imagine that the GM has a hard time persuading anyone to read 50+ pages of drivel to get caught up, so asking Hoppster or bvoigt seems more likely to get us a replacement.

[Ironhead]

Ohh, is it because of this?

redFF (don't much like his play, but Oversoul vouches for him and I don't think he is a SK)

This is what I mean by skepticism. I am reading redFF as town because he is cleared by Oversoul's result (which can only be wrong if Oversoul is lying or redFF is SK). I addressed the issue of Oversoul lying in the line above this one, where I indicated that I doubt Oversoul is scum; and the last part of this line addressed the issue of redFF being SK. By addressing both, I eliminate the remaining doubt, satisfying skepticism.

And to clarify, I actually don't have any reason to think redFF is acting

too townie

to be SK; it's just that there clearly isn't an SK (unless maybe it is one of the inactives). If we

were

seeing multiple kills each night, I would be far more suspicious of redFF being SK.

[fatlikepig]

Oversoul, why do you think me vs Ironhead is necessarily town v scum, rather than town v town?

[ObliviousDruidMuncher]

I don't know if it would be appropriate for dead players to replace in in this case, considering there is a dead thread. I never post roles in the dead thread, but still.

[redFF]

the idea of dead players replacing in is stupid and broken.

[Ironhead]

The alternative could be having two players mod-killed. This is not a fun option, for us or for the GM.

@TOGTFO: Can you please give us your reads?

[TOGTFO]

I laughed at iron's reads. Its like the obv town people he grudgingly admits are town!

Anyways, where the hell is FF?

???
right here

Sorry not you. Foolish Fool

[TOGTFO]

The alternative could be having two players mod-killed. This is not a fun option, for us or for the GM.

@TOGTFO: Can you please give us your reads?

Not yet, go bother someone else.

[projectmatt]

I need motivation to post here. I'm not gonna replace out, I've just been lazy.

I think Oversoul is town. Not just because he lynched the mafia but just because of his explanations as to why he investigated so and so.

Right now, my list of probable scum is pretty big. Right now, I want an Xeras lynch and I don't want Mastin yet simply because I like holding people to their promises, and we'll see what analysis he gives.

[evilpacman18]

I'd also like to point out that I've played one other game with Ironhead and he was town in that game and he's playing it VERY differently.

[redFF]

PROJECTMATT MASTIN SCUMTEAM CALLED IT

[projectmatt]

PROJECTMATT MASTIN SCUMTEAM CALLED IT

..Because I see no reason to lynch Mastin when he hasn't done anything specifically scummy?