PYP 5: Democracy Ho! (Game)

[Faraday]

Vote gandalf

Should have the thread read by tomorrow or idk depends on how lazy i feel. do i need to put effort in or is this mostly ez mode?

[Juls]

It's not easy mode yet. Get one more scum and it should be.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Zdenek: did the arguments presented in thread convince you mass claim was bad?

Should have the thread read by tomorrow or idk depends on how lazy i feel. do i need to put effort in or is this mostly ez mode?

Depends on who the scum are.

[Parama]

FARADY DON'T YOU DARE SHEEP CES

he's probably town

but your slot is confirmed town or something from what I've been hearing

NOW READ ELLI'S ISO
THEN VOTE HIM

thanks <3

[Zdenek]

Zdenek: did the arguments presented in thread convince you mass claim was bad?

No.

[Zdenek]

CES, does it bother you that you are able to get a read on Elli from his participation in the neighbour QT considering the amount that he posted in the game?

[Faraday]

FARADY DON'T YOU DARE SHEEP CES

he's probably town

but your slot is confirmed town or something from what I've been hearing

NOW READ ELLI'S ISO
THEN VOTE HIM

thanks <3

okay sure

Vote Elli

sheesh idk why you're being so bossy though

[Faraday]

I prefer this, and there is support for it now,

Vote Gandalf

Do elaborate.

Trying to be as objective as possible, I don't see someone who is scum with Hoopla debating with her over the merits of a mass-claim, and if the mass claim scheme was cooked up in the QT, DX wouldn't have needed to ask about it.

link me to w/e you're talkiing about

[Zdenek]

Hoops, is massclaim or some number bet thing claimy thingy feasible here?
/you probably have some strategy first post planned already but etc.

To my knowledge, there shouldn't be a numbers plan, unless we wanted to massclaim and smalltown it, but I don't think that is a good idea, really. I designed this setup with SpyreX. We changed the draft to eliminate most of the number theory/neighbourhood analysis, so it's more based on scumhunting.

So, who are we wagoning at the moment? Lets see...

VOTE: Nocmen

I have schemes . . . .

Here is something I thought of.
In three separate sequences of claims, we all claim what we voted on, what we got and finally what we bid.
This will catch scum.

Vote Nocmen

Can you explain that? Are you meaning like 3 popcorn claims, or work down the list of roles themselves?

VOTE: Nocmen

I was thinking three popcorn claims.

There's an alternative claiming idea, which is that all first claim the amounts that we bid, in the same order at the things we bid on appear in the first post and then in a second claim, cliam what we bid on.

Either of these should catch scum in lies, and at worst, generate a reasonably small pool of people who could be good lynches or who are on 1 v 1's.

That's actually a really good idea.. one question though.

Am I right in thinking if there's a tie for the highest bid, the role's just removed from the game? If so, then that plan would work I think, if not, couldn't Scum just claim a clashing high bid?

How exactly will this prove someone to be scum? The only way you can prove this is if scum lie about their bids. Even then, if they wanted to lie, they could just bid under a known number that exists of their partner's, or a number in the thread that is already claimed.

I think massclaim is more dangerous given that most players will have only one or two powers. Power spread across more people means we'll be playing in a mostly mountainous setup from Day 3 onward. But on N1 and N2, you can't exactly make solid plans as there are too many variables to control. It seems suboptimal to massclaim D1.

Neither will necessarily prove anyone to be scum, but it could. In either scenario, I expect that we'll end up with some 1 v 1's, and small groups of people that are sure to contain scum.

In the first scheme, scum would be forced to lock themselves into what they bid on first, then on what they actuallly got. Their numbers will have to agree with this. Considering that we all presumably used all 100 of our points, they might have to argue for some strange bids to get the numbers to work out if they want to lie.

In the second scheme, they'd be locked in to the amounts that they bid from the start, and partially locked in to what they actually bid on because of the order rules.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Faraday, don't listen to Parama. I'm the only one who has access to the Elli-Hoopls transcripts. He's town.

CES, does it bother you that you are able to get a read on Elli from his participation in the neighbour QT considering the amount that he posted in the game?

Not really. Strikes me as a bad strategy for scums. Beyond the fact that you're relying on a Neighbor Spy targetting you, why would you force the majority of your posts to be interactions with a buddy? I totally see Ellitown getting 3 Neighborizers and just talking in QTs for most of the game.

[Juls]

Lynch Zdenek. He is trying too hard to not get lynched, he is scum.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

But he's also the last vanilla viggable suspect.

[Juls]

We need to focus on finding scum right now. We will worry about clearing you later.

[Zdenek]

Lynch Zdenek. He is trying too hard to not get lynched, he is scum.

That's not a scum tell on the day before LYLO.

Why do you think that Gandalf and Elli are town?

[Juls]

I never said they were but the more you talk today the worse you look.

[Faraday]

im feverish. i'll try read through this when i feel better

[Juls]

im feverish. i'll try read through this when i feel better

I have that effect on people.

[Lost Butterfly]

>_>

<_<

OH THE THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED

[Ellibereth]

yeah para listen to cogit
Weekend vla and shit
will make time tomorrow night since I've been nonexistent because of the SPEEDYSPEED

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

It occurs to me that if I were scum, a townlynch today would allow me to win overnight by using the vanilla vig to get 2 kills (this doesn't work if Zdenek were my partner, but that just goes to show that a scum team with a vanilla vig wouldn't've killed Reck). Given how easy it would've been to push either Elli or Zdenek as Today's lynch, this should confirm me, methinks.

[Parama]

Sure CES. Sure.

[Faraday]

Unvote, Vote Gandalf

i totally see elli playing the neighbouriser role like katsuki would (posting in qt's and not in thread) idk. i think it'd be EASIER to not be forced to interact with your buddy like that in a qt, even for hoopla it seems an unneccessary gambit.

[gandalf5166]

Yarr!

Re-read the neighbor qt. The post-Hoopladeath post feels kinda slimy, but I still very much believe Elli's town. Interestingly, Hoopla called gandalf's early posts scummy. I also totally see gandalf killing Reck last Night to remove the "gandalf townflip clears Reck" incentive to lynch gandalf.

Vote: gandalf

I am obviously town to any one who is reading because of interactions with both Hoopla and DX, so unvote me now you clowns.

Do elaborate.

Or scum killed Reck because he's confirmed town AND because it causes this. Bullshit, I'm town, stop voting me based off fucking NK spec.

I think elli is almost certainly town. As is CES(although i have no idea what he's talking about, I just think he's town). That leaves us a lynch pool of [Juls, Parama, Faraday, Zdenek]. Out of these, Juls is likely town barring gambit shenanigans that should be considered LATER. Parama could be scum. If I were scum, I wouldn't have been thinking I would end up with this many blocked kills, so I could have gone for claiming strongman(especially with hoopla on my team). Faraday is town from what I remember of ML D1. Zdenek is almost certainly scum. Buddy is probably Parama or Juls.

VOTE: Zdenek

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Juls got targetted for the nightkill N5. I don't think you'd pretend to forget that as scum.

Let's

unvote, vote: Zdenek

. The vanilla viggability isn't that relevant given what I just said.

[Faraday]

I am obviously town to any one who is reading because of interactions with both Hoopla and DX, so unvote me now you clowns.

I read the intereactions and don't see it. Tell me why you're obvtown again?