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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:48 am

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vote: pinkfloyd
There's been plenty to comment on. Now you're just trying to avoid giving your opinions.

Hi guys :)
Just saying I'll catch up with the game by this evening after class.

  • Votecount 1-6


    pinkfloyd
    - (4)
    Thomas
    ,
    Fakinha
    ,
    Isa
    ,
    bv310
    [L-1]

    Isa
    - (1)
    pinkfloyd

    princesskdw
    - (1)
    Collyer


    Not Voting:

    neil1113
    ,
    Cav
    ,
    Shinki


    Notes

  • With
    9
    alive, it takes
    5
    to lynch
  • The deadline for Day 1 is Sunday October 9th, 12:00PM UTC
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:56 pm

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If you don't have what to say, vote.
If you don't want to vote, say something.

GODDAMMIT.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:09 pm

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Collyer - Semi-Active
pinkfloyd - Active
Cav - Semi-Active
Isa - Active
Thomas - ???
Fakinha - Active
bv310 - Active
Shinki - Active
neil1113 - Semi-Active

Something wrong with this picture.

Thomas wrote:
pinkfloyd wrote:I already posted about that. How about instead of calling me a lurker you read my posts.

Gabbady goof.
Active Lurking.

I don't have much time to write anything else at this time but I should have more time in around 15 hours.


VOTE: Thomas

This might be the most hypocritical post of the game. Since nobody wants to talk, and we have no real leads, I'm going to go for a hypocritical lurker. Better chance there at the moment.

To get people talking, here's some questions directed to others:

Collyer -

The last real communication I believe we had, you weren't satisfied with my responses. Does this effect your read on me? What do you think about me? Should you push a case, or do you think you'd be better off looking somewhere else?

pinkfloyd - (something interesting to note, Pink "RVS" voted Isa, but it's timing was after Isa told everyone to vote Pink because he's hammer-happy.)

You say there isn't much to comment on, so you're not posting. Then you get called a lurker, but you don't seem to have any desire to change how your approaching this game. Knowing that evidently how you've been approaching it so far is giving off scummy vibes to some people (who have called you out, and even voted for you) don't you think it'd be best to change it? If so, how come you haven't done anything about it so far? If not, couldn't that be considered a anti-town mindset? Who do you think your vote would be best served on? It's currently on Isa, do you agree with that choice? If not, should you move it? You're at L-1 but have made no defense... do you know the case against you? Or would you rather not entertain the town with a defense (for whatever reason)?

Cav -

Do you have an unhealthy obsession concerning me? In the 4 posts you've made (don't you think that's a little... bad?) you've mentioned me every time. In your last post you stated you're still not too sure about me or Bv. Has that changed? Where's your mindset now? In your opinion, should town press one of us, or move onto another person? If the latter, who and why should we choose them?

Isa -

In post 40, I was a little bit disturbed. You're asking people to join a wagon so early on in the day, was it for pressure? What was your mindset/purpose behind that call to arms? In post 80, you say you like to ask questions when the game starts to slow down. How come you stopped? I actually got this idea from you, you know. Your case against Pink as I have read it to be, is that he's posting fluff. Nothing more, nothing less. Is that scummy to you? Why/Why Not? Also just a heads up, ISO other people. He's not the only one that's only posting fluff.

Thomas -

Do you have anything to say to my accusations against you? You said you had more to post in 15 hours, what did you have to say? Did you catch something in this game that we've missed? Were you going to pressure someone? If so, who? Come on Thomas, don't lurk and try to call out people for lurking.

Fakinha - Shinki : I'm really bad at asking questions to new guys. I guess, from a new perspective, in your eyes what has happened this game? (Please, no one sentence answers.) Give me a quick walk through as if I'm just replacing in.

bv310 -

So after our nit-picking fight about you're ridiculous attempt at starting a RVS wagon, we're back to square one. Do I think you're scum? Not exactly, but you're far from clear in my book. So I want to know, where do you think we should go in this game? Should the town pressure a lurker? Target one of us? Pressure Pink?
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:41 pm

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EBYOP:

"bv310 -

... you're ridiculous attempt at..."

should be

"your ridiculous attempt at..."
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:50 pm

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neil1113 wrote:
So after our nit-picking fight about your ridiculous attempt at starting a RVS wagon, we're back to square one. Do I think you're scum? Not exactly, but you're far from clear in my book. So I want to know, where do you think we should go in this game? Should the town pressure a lurker? Target one of us? Pressure Pink?

All of these. We need, more than anything else, to get action in this game. Any or all of those are valid options. I'm a fan of pressuring lurkers, but that's just me knowing how much harder I lurk as scum.
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:01 pm

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neil1113 wrote:Collyer - Semi-Active
pinkfloyd - Active
Cav - Semi-Active
Isa - Active
Thomas - ???
Fakinha - Active
bv310 - Active
Shinki - Active
neil1113 - Semi-Active

Something wrong with this picture.
It looks to me that this is based of the number of posts people have made. You have Collyer as semi-actime with 8 posts and this is my 11th now and I have "???". Pinkfloyd had made 25 posts of mostly BS and I have made 10 posts with at least the same level of contribution as pinkfloyd or perhaps more.

neil1113 wrote:
Thomas wrote:
pinkfloyd wrote:I already posted about that. How about instead of calling me a lurker you read my posts.

Gabbady goof.
Active Lurking.

I don't have much time to write anything else at this time but I should have more time in around 15 hours.


This might be the most hypocritical post of the game. Since nobody wants to talk, and we have no real leads, I'm going to go for a hypocritical lurker. Better chance there at the moment.
It did occur to me that posting that could be hypocritical but I needed to prod-dodge and I didn't have enough time to write anything useful because it was past 12am. Would you prefer if I wrote random comments like pinkfloyd? As for my 15 hours guess, my internet is being really slow and it sometimes stopped working for a while and it's still sort of doing this so I didn't have the time to post earlier today.


neil1113 wrote:Thomas -

Do you have anything to say to my accusations against you? You said you had more to post in 15 hours, what did you have to say? Did you catch something in this game that we've missed? Were you going to pressure someone? If so, who? Come on Thomas, don't lurk and try to call out people for lurking.
I responded the your accusations in the last quote. There was nothing I thought I needed to comment on made before my last post and 15 hours later I was anticipating that there would be more to comment on but there wasn't and my internet was acting up anyway.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:01 pm

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Well, it seems me having a joke is considered "active lurking". Sucks you guys cannot lighten up.

FLAME ON.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:11 pm

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pinkfloyd wrote:Well, it seems me having a joke is considered "active lurking". Sucks you guys cannot lighten up.

FLAME ON.
YOU'RE ALL FIRED.


You're at L-1 and that's your defense? Why should I NOT hammer you right now? In fact:

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Pink

Either way, you're not helpful. Goodnight.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:01 pm

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  • Final Votecount Day 1


    pinkfloyd
    - (5)
    Thomas
    ,
    Fakinha
    ,
    Isa
    ,
    bv310
    ,
    neil1113

    Isa
    - (1)
    pinkfloyd

    princesskdw
    - (1)
    Collyer


    Not Voting:

    Cav
    ,
    Shinki


    Mod scene coming up.
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:15 pm

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Discussion was light the first day, with many suspicions being cast over small details and contradictions. However, no one could get over the fact that there was one guy in the background who wouldn't shut up, but in all his talking, contributed very little. You all decided he was the best lynch for the day.

As you all gathered around Pinkfloyd, rope in hand, he gave his last words. "Lighten up."


Pinkfloyd
was lynched. He was a
Vanilla Townie.


The deadline for night actions is Friday, October 7th, 12:00PM UTC.
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:09 pm

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You all gather around the town square, hoping the night gave you a clear head to lynch scum. Unfortunately, when you arrive, you find Cav lying on the ground in a pool of blood. Next to it, in the same blood you find a message.

"This is just the beginning."


Cav
has been killed. He was a
Vanilla Townie.


  • Votecount 2-1


    Not Voting:

    Collyer
    ,
    Isa
    ,
    Thomas
    ,
    Fakinha
    ,
    bv310
    ,
    Shinki
    ,
    neil1113


    Notes

  • With
    7
    alive, it takes
    4
    to lynch
  • The deadline for Day 2 is Saturday, October 29th, 12:00AM UTC
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:15 pm

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So... umm... any leads? :s

I'll start with VOTE: neil1113

Because of #127.

Discuss, people.
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:14 pm

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Fakinha wrote:So... umm... any leads? :s

I'll start with VOTE: neil1113

Because of #127.

Discuss, people.
Can you explain what in post #127 makes you vote neil? Was it a particular question he asked someone or something else? I must be missing something here because I found #111 to be strange but I don't see anything wrong with #127.
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:46 pm

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Because you look town to my eyes and he voted on you for a bad reason. Plus, that big post directed to everyone in the game was... um... imo it was useless. He wasn't really focusing on anyone and then hammered pink (the hammer doesn't make him any suspect, but he only unvoted you to hammer).
Neil didn't give us any lead to any suspections. Only some argumentations with Bv, some analisys that weren't really helpufull... scum trying to mask himself? Idk, want to know what other people have to say.

And yes, I also think #111 was weird.
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:58 pm

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Only 1 new post?

@MOD:
You should send a private message to people at the start of the day to let people know the day has started. I never got a pm.
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:44 am

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I'm highly interested in Collyer and Neil's opinions on the start of the day and yesterday's actions, given the flips we have now. I think I might have seen something in a reaction to Neil and I want to see if anyone else notices, or whether I'm just crazy.
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:34 am

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That was such a bad wagon.
I blame myself for being lazy, but my thoughts on pink were:

He was trolling? Yes.
He wasn't posting and lurking? Yes.
He didn't argue against his lynch properly because of the bad reasons you guys had against him? Yes.
Does that means he's scum? No.

It wasn't an amazing town play, but it's wasn't worth lynching for now -_-
Well, let's move on...

VOTE: neil1113

Your hammer wasn't good. Not a bit.

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And hardly we'll get successful night actions for the town, it's kinda difficult only with a watcher and tracker, isn't? ( and one of the scums being immune ) I'll try to be more active at day, as I think we'll be relying solely on day discussions to lynch scum.
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:45 am

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First things first: I've been V/LA since Friday and I will be low on content this entire week up until Friday, when I leave again and will be on V/LA once again.

The hammer on Pinkfloyd came out of the blue indeed - but he was a waste of a slot for town. I play this game to have fun and I don't have a lot of fun with players like pinkfloyd when he is playing like he did in this game. He was the best lynch yesterday, we only had a few days remaining when the hammer fell and the only other player that could have been lynched was Neil, and there's no way you could have gotten me to lynch him.

That said, what was your line of thought when you put down the hammer, Neil?
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:09 pm

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Thomas wrote:
@MOD:
You should send a private message to people at the start of the day to let people know the day has started. I never got a pm.

Suggestion noted.
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:11 pm

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Isa, why you'd never lunch neil on the first day?
But... honestly, I'm ok with pink out of this game, not caring what he was. =_=
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:12 pm

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lol lunch. Lynch*
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:13 am

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Sorry for the beyond delayed response.

Addressing the cases (or attempted cases) against me:

Fakinha, my dear scum friend. Stop trying to buddy up with Thomas. "You look town to me" is not an excuse to vote for someone else. That is called chainsawing, and usually is a scum-tell for scum partnerships. However your second reason following seemed legit: "he voted for a bad reason." Is active lurking, then coming on to look like you're giving content and thus being hypocritical a bad reason to vote for someone? While Thomas has since explained himself, to a very unsatisfactory degree but to the best he could, at that point in time even Thomas himself explained that he knew it could/would appear hypocritical and he was just trying to prod-dodge. As an active member of the society of Mafia Open 337, is this not scummy play to only play "prod-dodges" with no real scum hunting involved? And then, the active lurker posts and... calls out another lurker? Come on Fakinha, even with your scum-motivated thinking you'd have to admit that doesn't exactly scream "IM TOWN!" to anyone does it?

So here's my accusation, you defended him as though he was town in your eyes. My opinion is the only way for you to have ever come to that conclusion and be comfortable sitting on that, is if you KNOW he's town (aka, you're scum.) That post seems to be a slip up to me, because Thomas has done anything BUT look like he could ever have rested in anyone's mind as a townsman.

You then went on to call my post "useless." Since when was a post, purposed to get conversation started, useless? In your faulty, stretched and rediciulous recap of my post, you forgot to mention I was also trying to get conversations started, get leads going, and get Pink to defend himself. This is obvious if you read my questions. I've never really seen scum try so hard to get conversations started, and use that as an attempt to "mask" theirselves. Usually in my experience, scum are the people trying to get RID of those that attempt to start conversations. Oh, hi Fakinha!

Bv, you can't really consider it town to come on and say "I think I have something... oh, but I'm not going to say it yet." Say it, get it out there, and let's deal with whatever you think you may have.

Shinki, your detailed and very well explained analysis of why you're voting me is so deep I don't think I can defend against that. Oh wait.. "Your hammer wasn't good. Not a bit." If you didn't want him lynched, don't be on his wagon. Rule of Mafia. You could've unvoted at any time knowing he's at L-1, yet you didn't. Don't try to turn the tables around, you're just as guilty for that lynch as the person that hammers.

"That said, what was your line of thought when you put down the hammer, Neil?" (By Isa)

I gave him a chance to accurately, unbiasedly defend himself. He choose to throw that back in my face. It pissed me off, and I wanted him out of the game. Did I think he was more likely scum then town? Yes. I couldn't (can't) figure out why town would do that? I even tried to get us to look somewhere else, and get discussions going so that Pink didn't feel trapped in a corner. But he didn't listen.

Oh and remember this?

neil1113 wrote:Oh and I'm pretty sure there's opportunistic scum somewhere between the two new replacees.


I'm pretty sure that from Fakinha's postings, he's scum motivated. Also did anyone notice how quickly I got to L-2, while LyLo has not been pointed out once, nor has it been mentioned that I'm at L-2 by either of the replacees?
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:57 am

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It's my birthday today, and I was at a freind's house all weekend, so I'll post tomorrow. I promise.
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:30 am

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Don't call me scum friend, I'm not scum nor your friend.
Fakinha wrote:If you don't have what to say, vote.
If you don't want to vote, say something.

GODDAMMIT.

I was and still am trying to get things to happen, so your
Usually in my experience, scum are the people trying to get RID of those that attempt to start conversations.
is totally invalid.

YOU're being very opportunistic with
Oh and I'm pretty sure there's opportunistic scum somewhere between the two new replacees.


And yes, it was a bad vote on thomas. Just because he prod-dodge he should get a vote? Pfft.
You're going to nowhere with your votes and posts, you're just trying to look like a town.
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:10 pm

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Fakinha wrote:Don't call me scum friend, I'm not scum nor your friend.


It's called respect, or honor. Something you obviously know nothing about. You really want to get offensive? Too bad, I can't bend that low.

Fakinha wrote:
Fakinha wrote:If you don't have what to say, vote.
If you don't want to vote, say something.

GODDAMMIT.

I was and still am trying to get things to happen, so your
Usually in my experience, scum are the people trying to get RID of those that attempt to start conversations.
is totally invalid.


So when you ask questions, it doesn't promote responses? And it doesn't start a conversation? And it obviously deters people away from discussing the game when you ask GAME RELATED QUESTIONS correct? The correct responses, just in case you want to be sarcastic in your response, is yes it promotes responses, yes it starts conversations, and no it doesn't deter people away. Therefore, the post that you called "useless" and a "cover" that I'm trying to use just to "appear town" was actually a post (by your own admission, unless you disagree with any of the three points made above) that would have caused discussion in which you've completely twisted and manipulated to try and make me look like what you look like right now.

And no I'm not going to respond to "No YOU'RE looking very.. etc" because then it just becomes "No you! No you! No you! Nunh unh! I'm right! No you!" I'll let anyone with eyes read your posting, I don't have anything else to prove. You've proved it for me.

Fakinha wrote:Yes, it was a bad vote on thomas. Just because he prod-dodge he should get a vote? Pfft.


This was not the case. Did you read the case? I laid it out pretty clearly, two different times
ON THIS PAGE
and yet you still completely misrepped and deceitfully twisted my words. This, combined with everything else I've mentioned, is enough for me to warrant that you're not coming from a town's point of view in your posts and you're looking to play to your win condition, which in this case from what I see from your posts, is to eliminate townies.

VOTE: Fakinha

Scum #1 found. Now who's his partner? I don't think I could say the other replacee is with a clear conscience due to.. well, that'd be a very big coincidence that BOTH scum replaced out.
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