New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

[redFF]

i never berated any replacement about not reading.

Smurfing Smurf read the thread or replace out

Also - why aren't you reading the thread if you wish to berate people who aren't?

.... i was talking to mastin

[mastin2]

Whoops. Completely forgot about this game for a while. My bad. Will get content after I've eaten something. (Just got up, and had the "Oh, crud!" moment when I realized it'd probably been days since my last post and that I didn't post last night.)

[Empking]

Hmmm

[mastin2]

I've changed my mind on something.

redFF's still scum, but Xeras is town. In Xeras's place is Foolish Fool. (Sowwy, Hayl.)

[redFF]

sigh

[mastin2]

For the curious--my last post was made when I was reading somewhere between 20 and 26. Probably could track down the exact page, since I was keeping notes. However, it is strengthened when you throw in the third scum name I have, projectmatt, who did this:

Page nine. I

retract

my town read on Johnhog for an overly defensive and just completely terrible attempt at a case on Vifam.

I have a fairly strong town read on Foolish Fool for seeming genuinely interested in catching the scum, but I guess it's more of a gut read. He just has this feeling about him that makes me believe he is town.

I am trying to post roughly every ten pages just so I can stay consistent with my thought process.

Ergo, reads as of the start of page nine:

Town: Empking, Foolish Fool,

Scum: Oversoul, Johnhog

[mastin2]

You'll be hearing more from me on Matt in my notes. But for now.

Page 19:

Argument between Johnhog and Vifam is one of the most pointless things I have ever had the displeasure of reading in my experience of playing mafia. I think Vifam is town after it, though. I think Johnhog sounded way too desperate to prove that he was in fact not looking at the thread, and he over reacted so badly it makes me want to quicklynch him. Oh, and accusing Vifam of a scumslip based off of nothing is even worse. +scum points to him. Also, please do not insult EM players. It is my home.

Vifam, are you scum?

What the

fuck was the point of asking this?

This was after the big argument. He doesn't focus on any other player aside from Vifam, he doesn't give reads, he doesn't show interest in scumhunting. He just wants to stir up trouble. Biggest scum read so far. I don't buy the reaction test.

Johnhog: Stop being a pretentious douchebag. Quoting the dictionary to prove a point? Really?

Mastin: Why did you have a town read on Johhog on page 13?

Town: Empking, David, Bomberman, Vifam, KDCA(?)*

Scum: John, Mastin, Oversoul(?)*

*reads that I am only somewhat sure on

He addresses Johhog as if he knows he will flip town, despite having Johhog as a strong scumread. "Stop being a jerk." doesn't translate to "I think you're scum." You NEVER think a scum player is a jerk, you think they're scum pushing an agenda. "Stop being a jerk" translates to you think they're TOWN, who you think is being, well, a jerk. There's also his part about singling out a single one of my reads. Why just Johhog? Why not any of my other reads? Why specifically page thirteen, when I had a Johhog townread from pretty much Johhog's first post?


Yeah. My vote's still on Matt, right?

[Nobody Special]

My mass-reading (of FOUR MILLION PAGES) has bogged down a bit. It's truly daunting. Therefore, questions:

-- Thor: who is your biggest town read thus far?
-- Xeras: What are your thoughts about potentially being lynched for your inactivity?
-- Xeras: Why did you switch votes from Bomberman to a different player just because Bomberman was no longer in the game?
--Oversoul: Why are you being so stingy with your vote?
--Foolish Fool: If you had to lynch one player RIGHT NOW, who would it be?

More questions later.

[mastin2]

I listed my replacement as a scum read to see who would notice it and in what way they would react to it.

Ehh kinda. Bad excuse is BAD.

Are you going to keep calling me un-intelligent because I figured you out?

Oh great Matt, I'm scum and I don't know what to do now that you without any reasoning pinned me as scum. You have to be the god of Mafia!

No.

You think I am making excuses for myself and that I actually thought the person I replaced into was scum even though I made no mention of him in my re-read? At all? Are you fucking serious?

Shut up. This is why I want you lynched. You can't respond to my retorts, and you make condescending egotistical responses that insult whoever tries to even lightly attack you. You actually CAN'T RESPOND to them, and you won't admit it so you make sarcastic posts that still declare you as the winner. Get owned.

And stuff like this reinforces the point--he didn't want Johhog dead because he thought Johhog was scum (it was painfully obvious he was town, and I regret not being around to push my opinion on this harder to stop his obvious mislynch), he wanted Johhog dead on policy.

Kinda like he didn't like Bomberman, who he mysteriously read as town, despite the fact that the two situations were similar.

He lead a lynch on Johhog, on policy. Because he knew Johhog would flip town.

There's a reason I'm going to be building a case on him once I've caught up. There's a reason he's been my vote.

[mastin2]

I've changed my mind, again, based off of this.

John. Do my explanations make sense to you now?

Red, WHAT? If you can't even tell us why, why did you bother posting that? Why can't you tell us? Come on. Work with me here.

redFF's out. Ironhead's in. For those keeping track, it's now Matt, Ironhead, and Foolish Fool.

[mastin2]

BTW, fatlikepig is confirmed town. Look at the exchange between fat and Otolia on page 49--does that read as bussing to you?

Nope, didn't think so.

redFF is also prob-town for that same page, where he was discussed and Otolia said this:

But only town would be open about it.

I don't agree. If you wish you could explain your reasoning to me.

Additionally, his post below that makes Empking and Secret Project town as well.

Ironhead, on the other hand......

[redFF]

i have a negative gunsmith check on me dude.

[mastin2]

Additional evidence for fatlikepig being town:

Fat was hesitant to vote for lewarcher, since he knew there was a possibility of lewarcher being a PR--for instance, an odd-night vig would have been a very plausible claim.

Scum would already know that lewarcher was scum, was going to die that day, and would prefer to get on the lynch wagon--ESPECIALLY when the alternative (Otolia) was ALSO scum.



In other words, fatlikepig is double-confirmed town.

lewarcher, Otolia, fatlikepig -- there are multiple scum in this group.

This is a classic bus. Ironhead is a smart guy. He can logically deduce that lewarcher is dead meat. He can also conclude that Otolia is a very, VERY likely future lynch. He is well-aware that two of his buddies are going to die, and logically, there is little point in trying to stop it (that draws attention to himself, setting himself up for a lynch), whereas if he pushes them, he looks town for the double-bus.

In other words, Ironhead logically concluded (correctly) that he needed to double-bus for town credit and push for a fatlikepig mislynch.


(PS: Still reading, but I do hope there has been no Godfather talk. Anyone who knows anything about Gunsmiths should know why.)

[mastin2]

Do I really need to read the next seven pages?

I sincerely doubt my reads will change. All I'll be doing are pointing out how Ironhead's prized logic looks like it comes from a scum-motivated mindset, fatlikepig is bleeding towntells, matt is as close as I can get to confirmed scum, etc.

I'm up to our current day, at the very least.

[mastin2]

Oversoul's 1365 makes a lot of what I've been saying redundant, since it kinda confirms exactly what I have been saying:

Foolish Fool, Ironhead, and Projectmatt are scum.


I'll do cross-referencing with my earlier notes to see if there's anything in there which makes this seem unlikely...but I honestly don't think there will be anything, since this seems so...so...right.

Mastin, VCA on Johhog, please?

I concluded that there were two scum on Johhog when he was at L-2. After Otolia hammered, I concluded that number was 3, out of five total. I'll give you a hint.

projectmatt

, Empking, Vifam, redFF, Xeras, David Xantos,

Oversoul, Hoppster

,

Ironhead

[mastin2]

PROJECTMATT MASTIN SCUMTEAM CALLED IT

...Then can you help me lynch my buddy?

So, SCUM PLAN: -Mislynch Fatlikepig. Pray that their members do not get caught. (3/12 tomorrow.)
-Mislynch Xeras. Pray that Ironhead is not lynched instead. (3/10 day after, if Ironhead is not lynched.)
-Mislynch me. (3/8 after this, if all goes well.)
-Mislynch ? for the win.

With the question mark being Vifam/Empking, since LLD's slot is no longer touchable. Though at the time of Page 57 (where I am reading), it was.

I can deduce this because both Ironhead and Matt have expressed interest in each other, while pushing Fat, Xeras, and myself as possible mislynches. I can quote examples of this if you want, but you can read those pages yourself and see that they're pretty desperate right now.

[mastin2]

I wanna lynch Matt.

But if it's between Ironhead and Fat...

Unvote, Vote: Ironhead

.
I suppose that now I'm through 59, I should work on a case to convince you all of the town/scum-reads I've just given, eh? Easy enough, now that I've gotten into rhythm.

[mastin2]

Let's review.

1. Empking <--Prob-town. His overall feeling is town. Hard to explain. Coupled with his interactions with scum looking favorable, I sincrely doubt he is scum.
2. Xeras <--Prob-town. Blocks mean he couldn't submit the kill. Interactions in various places with scum strongly suggest he is town.
3. Foolish Fool (Haylen + JordanA24) <--Probably not town. At first, it was process of elimination, but Jordan's posts came across as trying to coach, to be the middle ground in multiple townVtown fights, while letting them rip themselves to shreds. Kinda hard to explain, so I'll probably have to go into detail about this.
5. Nobody Special Vifam <--Prob-town. Vifam's Johhog interactions read as townVtown. Additionally, Vifam's interactions with scum players look favorable.
6. Thor665 Lady Lambadelta BomberMan <--Confirmed town, as far as I'm concerned.
7. projectmatt Fool_Hardy <--Scum. Fool_Hardy tripped my scumdar from his first post. Project Matt continued the trend. I've touched the surface of why he's scum with my in-thread posting, but it's just the tip of the iceberg on this guy.
8. David Xanatos <--Prob-town. David's interactions here are a dead-ringer for Neruzian Era Big. I'm sure there are other games as well. Additionally, he kinda comes across as potential mislynch material for the scum.
9. Oversoul <--Confirmed town.
10. Ironhead MintKitten <--Prob-scum. His logic seems extremely motivated by a scum perspective on the game, as well as his suspicious interactions thusfar in the game.
11. TOGTFO LordChronos <--Pretty much confirmed town, as far as I'm concerned.
12. fatlikepig LTP Mafia <--Prob-town. His interactions with scum paint a STRONG picture of him being town.
13. evilpacman18 <--Confirmed town.
14. redFF <--Confirmed town.


Tl;dr: Ironhead, Project Matt, or Foolish Fool should be lynched today.

[evilpacman18]

What the frik you had me as confirmed scum last time I checked.

[ObliviousDruidMuncher]

Day 4 Vote Totals

If there is a mistake, point it out.

Last post seen:

evilpacman18

, page 60.

[5]fatlikepig:

Empking, projectmatt, Thor665, Xeras, David Xanatos [L-3]

[3]Ironhead:

redFF, evilpacman18, mastin2 [L-5]

[2]Xeras :

Ironhead, fatlikepig [L-6]

Prods:

Oversoul
fatlikepig
Guys, are you going to force me to change the prod time window to 24 hours? There's no reason almost every single person on the player list should have 48 hours between EACH POST every time. Come on, now.

Searching for replacements for Foolish Fool and projectmatt.

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. It is currently Day 4. The deadline for Day 4 is October 12th, 2011 at 6 PM ET.

[mastin2]

Well, you're not.

[mastin2]

Searching for replacements for Foolish Fool and projectmatt.

Mod, is this true?

(Foolish Fool and Projectmatt both seemed to express interest in staying last I checked, even though they posted a little over three days ago.)

Assuming I'm correct, I'd rather not go up against two new scum players simultaneously. More than that, if I won, I'm sure both of them would not be very happy that they replaced into a guaranteed loss.

[Oversoul]

Hehe, Mastin. Our reads align so much. ._. It is scary.

The amount of prods I have received in this game is unnatural. I am sorry to have put you through this, Sorasgoof.

[Oversoul]

Also, Mastin, let us make this like Sedilla. (sorry for killing you in Brightest Day btw. Been wanting to tell you that for a looonnnnggg time).

[Oversoul]

Nobody Special, I am *always* stingy with my vote.