Mortal Kombat Mafia (Game Over: Mafia Win)

[Darox]

The zMuffinMan show!

Featuring zMuffinMan, zMuffinMan and zMuffinMan!

Filmed in front of an apathetic town audience.

[zMuffinMan]

You should vote for me, Darox. It'll make it less obvious you are scum.

[The Fonz]

Fonz and Darox are both alive.

I do not understand this.

Choose: Fonz

Why would you shoot an even night killer on an even night? It's not going to stop him killing that night, and it makes perfect sense when several people are pushing moronic 'OMG SK' arguments.

BTW: Reasoning for the kill - I just didn't see scum in Kiwi, the way he claimed. So I did a re-read overnight, and Nacho entered the game absolutely screaming that Nero was scum, but chose Darox in the last Kombat - despite barely ever mentioning Darox at all. That seemed a really obvious indication that he was bussing Nero early, then changed tack when Ludi went down because he couldn't afford to sacrifice a team-mate.

[The Fonz]

Toog, we aren't lynching mafia today, we are lynching the guy who throws shurikens. That guy is IS. Today we lynch IS.

Just ignore Darox for today.

I am legitimately interested in why The Fonz shot Nacho over either option he told us he would do yesterday (Kill Bogre, or Kill Survivor of the Duel).

This, ASAP, though, especially in light of the Nero flip. I swear the last thing he said was he was vigging the survivor of the duel...

I said I was considering it, I would have done that had Nero flipped town. I guess I don't see scum acting the way he did in Kombat - going out of his way not to make a case on the buddy he was put up against, and tunnelling on zM instead. Like I said, on the re-read Nacho screamed scum due to Nero connections.

[The Fonz]

I strongly considered shooting IS(K) as well. Basically, I was caught in about four minds because I knew I couldn't afford to be wrong, so I just went with the player I was most sure was scum.

[The Fonz]

Fonz please shoot OS or Amrum. OS preferably.

Oversoul's town as a result of the Nero flip. The three who voted for Darox are IS, Toog, and the deceased Nacho. I had a strong town read on Toogeloo before, in addition to his investigation - this has probably neutered it.

[zMuffinMan]

Yeah, but that can all be explained if Darox is scum and their remaining partner had to choose between one of them :/

Nacho was town because of timeater's "Ludi is a PR" speculation D1. That wasn't a scum partner going "heh I'm putting my buddy in the ring to fakeclaim a PR and get derpmastin lynched" but whatever, bygones.

Unaccounted for if IS is SK = bed of spikes + head devoured = two scum left, who do you think is scum?

[zMuffinMan]

PS: town mindset isn't "roll over and die at showdown".

Also, notice how Nero went through effort to make it known that his "scum reads" were scum the first time he went into showdown against CSL and then yesterday it was just "lol list 4 players call them scum". He didn't put the same effort in because he knew it was him or his buddy. And vice versa.

[GreyICE]

I strongly considered shooting IS(K) as well. Basically, I was caught in about four minds because I knew I couldn't afford to be wrong, so I just went with the player I was most sure was scum.

So instead of shooting someone entirely useless to the town, something you've harped on for ages, you shot Nacho.

Fuck this shit.

Vote: Bogre

Bogre versus Fonz or Bogre versus Darox tonight.

[Bogre]

I strongly considered shooting IS(K) as well. Basically, I was caught in about four minds because I knew I couldn't afford to be wrong, so I just went with the player I was most sure was scum.

So instead of shooting someone entirely useless to the town, something you've harped on for ages, you shot Nacho.

Fuck this shit.

Vote: Bogre

Bogre versus Fonz or Bogre versus Darox tonight.

So why isn't IS figuring into the equation of who you want in the ring today? And, I mean, seriously, why would you even be trying to throw Fonz in?

I want an IS/Greyice or IS/Darox or possibly IS/toog.

VOTE: IS

[The Fonz]

I strongly considered shooting IS(K) as well. Basically, I was caught in about four minds because I knew I couldn't afford to be wrong, so I just went with the player I was most sure was scum.

So instead of shooting someone entirely useless to the town, something you've harped on for ages, you shot Nacho.

Fuck this shit.

Vote: Bogre

Bogre versus Fonz or Bogre versus Darox tonight.

No. That is untrue. I've made repeatedly clear I want to shoot scum, not shoot bad townies. Kiwi claimed in a manner that appeared to lack guile, and Bogre was on the Nero wagon. I was convinced that scum couldn't really afford to, and therefore was unlikely to, bus there, meaning scum on the Darox wagon unless Darox was scum himself. That meant Toog, IS, or Nacho. Toog was a strong town read and had the investigation, IS was probSK, that left Nacho as incredibly likely scum.

[zMuffinMan]

Toog had a non-BD investigation right? That means nothing in light of the fact that the whole black dragon faction is likely dead.......

[The Fonz]

I was gonna say that, I know Kano's BD, was Nero's role also Black Dragon? Yeah, there were probably only three. I read him as town based on his play... but he hasn't done much that i can recall lately, which is of course the Lord Gurgi strategy.

[The Fonz]

Oh yeah, OS isn't scum. Look at the way Nero treated him as prime mislynch.

[zMuffinMan]

OS and kiwi are unlikely scum due to interactions. GI is unlikely scum due to lolBDmillerclaim.

remaining mafia is 2 of {Darox, Bogre, Toog}.

As long as you're town and you choose not to kill from this point onwards AND I'm right about that, this game is a town win.

[The Fonz]

I'd agree with OS and GI, but I think Bogre's interactions say 'not scum' more than Kiwi's do.

[zMuffinMan]

Do you think kiwi is scum?

[Internet Stranger]

OS and kiwi are unlikely scum due to interactions. GI is unlikely scum due to lolBDmillerclaim.

remaining mafia is 2 of {Darox, Bogre, Toog}.

As long as you're town and you choose not to kill from this point onwards AND I'm right about that, this game is a town win.

Do you even realize what the fuck you are saying?

"Oh Mr Fonz, I know that you have already proven to be unreliable as fuck with your kills and clearly you have your own agenda youre trying to fill (like an SK), but please pretty pretty please dont kill anyone else, ok?"

"As long as youre town??" - Really Muffin? What the fuck is wrong with you?


All I will say is that im definitely not the SK. Fonz had no reason to shoot Nacho. NONE. He is hemming and hawing and making up bullshit as to why he deviated from "the plan". But yet Muffin insists in continuing this circlejerk and bukkake fest between the two. WHY? It sounds like scum carving up the town like gullible sheep.

[The Fonz]

Well, here's the thing. I don't know what to think. I just don't see Darox not making any effort at all to distance from his partner, and indeed supporting the exact same townwagon. I'm starting to think maybe the IS/ML thing was a bus. Kiwi COULD be scum - his play is exactly the same as it has been in every lurk-filled, useless, derpy game he's played. I think the most likely scum is someone on the Darox wagon.

The other thing is, I think if you are town and you and I were on the right track with suspecting both of Darox and Nero, one of us would be dead by now.

Actually,

Vote: Internet Stranger

PREVIEW EDIT: I HAD A TON OF REASON TO SHOOT NACHO. LOOK AT THIS POST.

Vote: Nero Cain

God, I love replacing into a game and seeing scum posting useless shit. It just brightens my day right up. Now put me in the ring with this scumbag so I can rip his head off and hold it in the air like a champion belt. I'm surprised not to see the one on one beefs that are have been in every mafia game I've played in my entire life, so I guess scum are being scared and cautious little fucks.

NO-ONE MAKES THIS FUCKING POST THEN VOTES TO SAVE NERO IF THEY'RE TOWN. NO-ONE.

[zMuffinMan]

I know why I'm still alive and Amrun is dead. It's because I said I'm pushing an IS lynch today. IS isn't mafia, he is the SK. Mafia know he's not one of them, and so are fine with keeping me alive today while I get him lynched. I don't particularly see myself living past tonight, though.

I don't know why you're still alive, but I'd guess it's some combination of thinking they might be able to push a mislynch on you as SK or they might have just not wanted to kill you on an even night orrrrrrrr something else entirely.

I'm contemplating something. I'll come back later after doing some thinking.

[zMuffinMan]

btw what interactions were you referring to that make Bogre less likely to be scum? His D6 play is the only thing that maybe makes it unlikely (because prior to D6 he had very few interactions with any of the flipped scum), but there's nothing rock solid that makes me think he's likely to be town, especially if Darox is scum.

[The Fonz]

@Darox:

Please explain your thinking behind your switch from voting Toogeloo to voting Oversoul day four.

[zMuffinMan]

I'm missing something.

I don't think Toog is scum, there's too much stuff in his ISO that doesn't make much sense if he's scum. Likewise, Bogre's interactions with Nero and Darox (espeically yesterday, but voting patterns on previous days as well) suggests that, if Darox is one of the 2 remaining mafia, Bogre isn't the other.

I need to reassess things.

[The Fonz]

I'm missing something.

I don't think Toog is scum,

there's too much stuff in his ISO that doesn't make much sense if he's scum.

Likewise, Bogre's interactions with Nero and Darox (espeically yesterday, but voting patterns on previous days as well) suggests that, if Darox is one of the 2 remaining mafia, Bogre isn't the other.

I need to reassess things.

Expand.

[zMuffinMan]

The way he talked about spring's miller claim didn't look like scum who knows there's a mix of BDs/invaders as a scum team. The speculation on the N3 kill makes no sense from the perspective he's scum. Actually all his setup speculation in general that I talked about with him, it doesn't seem like he was operating with inside info - if you want an example of how scum talked about the setup, compare Nero's posts to Toog's posts. Some of the interaction with Ludi D4 doesn't make sense from the perspective he's scum with Ludi (like when Ludi was asking him to join the IS wagon).