Open 344 - Carbon-14 - Game Over

[Empking's Alt]

Pretty sure I'm not scum Emp. You might be...

...

[Ellf]

Okay, we do need to get the ball rolling. We may have a decent amount of time, but we're going a long time without posts.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Kondi

I kinda think that's a poor reason to vote someone. Grudges shouldn't carry between games.

There is nothing random about this.

You basically instilled your opinion into a vote, rather than logic.

You also knew that Kondi's vote was random but put a realistic twist on it.

don't be hatin on us for hatin on you

Yes, because town never votes based on opinion.

[Hiraki]

Well they're not supposed to.

You're supposed to vote via scumhunting, by using scumtells.

You know. stuff that's defined, definite.

You basically made up a scumtell that really doesn't make any sense, when you knew it was RVS already.

basically you were/are scummy and I hope to god someone counterclaims.

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: glowball

[glowball]

mmhmm so Emp and Hiraki running people up to claim??? Not going to claim, saying it right now. So we need to lynch one of them because this is obvscum strategy

[Ellf]

You're putting words in my mouth, Hiraki. There were no tells at that point whatsoever. My vote was a semi-RVS vote, one that I'm still willing to change.

It wasn't a real vote at all, and you jumped on me for it. Bravo.

Well, obviously it was real in that it counted, but it wasn't for any real reason.

When I seriously think someone is scum, I use logic and evidence. I'm not an idiot. I know how to play the game.

[Hiraki]

mmhmm so Emp and Hiraki running people up to claim??? Not going to claim, saying it right now. So we need to lynch one of them because this is obvscum strategy

You got us!

You're putting words in my mouth, Hiraki. There were no tells at that point whatsoever.

I kinda think that's a poor reason to vote someone.

I'm pretty sure you were using Kondi's opinions as a tell.

It wasn't a real vote at all, and you jumped on me for it. Bravo.

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What makes you so sure that Kondi himself isn't scum?

Well, at least the vote isn't a lulz vote.

we're done here.

Well, obviously it was real in that it counted, but it wasn't for any real reason.

Yes it was, so now let's start speaking from our mouths rather than from our asses. Don't want any more shit out here.

When I seriously think someone is scum, I use logic and evidence. I'm not an idiot. I know how to play the game.

And you did.

It was flawed.

And now you're trying to cover yourself up.

not very pretty anymore.

[glowball]

dude- he's an uncountered seer for right now. What exactly are you trying to accomplish by calling him out?

[Hiraki]

dude- he's an uncountered seer for right now. What exactly are you trying to accomplish by calling him out?

He called me out.

I defended.

[Ellf]

I'm not trying to backtrack or cover anything. But hey, keep on thinking that.

I wasn't trying to use his grudge as a tell, I was using it as an excuse to expand the wagon.

And I would love someone to counterclaim. Because then they're obviously the scum.

[BBmolla]

*Seer outed page 2*

Cool.

Okay, so this is bad. Pretty much Ellf is dead no matter what because he's clear.

VOTE: Glow

You're not playing very much to your town meta imo.

And using "I won't claim" as an attempt to not be lynched is lol.

If you're cop you are gamethrowing.

@Ellf: As the clear, what are your reads?

[glowball]

No you can lynch me, I am just not going to claim.

[Hiraki]

Cool. Glow is town.

Next.

Unvote, Vote: Andre

[Empking's Alt]

No you can lynch me, I am just not going to claim.

Just because you know youb can't help but be counterclaimed doesn't mean you'll get away with it.

[Hiraki]

hey empking.

glowball is town.

andre por favor.

[Ellf]

In the meantime. UNVOTE: kondi

Grudge or not, you have no real scumtells.
My reads, for what they're worth:

kondi2424

Very short posts, with very little reasons given for each post. Might be trying to hide something, but not truly scummy with that. Still don't like the holding of a grudge, but that's a personal opinion, not a tell.

I'd like him to say more.

Empking's Alt

Somewhat seems to be buddying with Hiraki. Also I have the same complaint about him as I do kondi, his posts don't seem to have a lot of content to them. It makes it difficult to get any read off of him whatsoever that way.

BBMolla

From his posts, including the one that he posted while I was typing this up, he has a pretty solid town read for me. At the least he's actively trying to help the town.

Ellf

Yeah, you know my claim... I'm town.

André

Null read on him. Hasn't said anything beyond the RVS stuff.

glowball

Pretty much forced my claim. I was going to withhold it until Hiraki posted so I could try to defend myself without giving myself away, but that could either be crazy town or ballsy scum.

Hiraki

Led Empking then followed Empking's lead on the Glowball thing. I still get the feeling about them buddying. Also Hiraki has a bit of an attitude to him that rubs me the wrong way which may generate a bit of a bias to any read I get on him. I won't say that he and Empking are necessarily scum, but I definitely get a buddying feeling with them.

[Empking's Alt]

Somewhat seems to be buddying with Hiraki.

How?

Also I have the same complaint about him as I do kondi, his posts don't seem to have a lot of content to them. It makes it difficult to get any read off of him whatsoever that way.

My posts have loads of content in them.

Hi: No. I want a claim.

[Ellf]

Well Empking,

You

may not be buddying with Hiraki, but it certainly looks like he's buddying with you.

Similar voting patterns, but you not following him off Glowball means that at the least you aren't trying to buddy with him.

[Hiraki]

Grudge or not, you have no real scumtells.

I'm going to kill you tonight.

Seriously.

Emp: No, you don't.

[Hiraki]

Well Empking,

You

may not be buddying with Hiraki, but it certainly looks like he's buddying with you.

Similar voting patterns, but you not following him off Glowball means that at the least you aren't trying to buddy with him.

OH EM GEE.

TWO PEOPLE DID THE SAME THING ON ONE OCCASION.

BUDDYING

shut up already.

[BBmolla]

Hiraki/Emp are not scum together.

[Ellf]

Hiraki. Stop it with the attitude.

There is absolutely no reason to be as hostile as you're being. Whether you're scum or not, you don't need to be a jerk.

VOTE: Hiraki

This may be a bit of bias, but his sarcastic laughing off of anything I see as something rings scummy to me.

Also, twice, Hiraki... with an attempted third on André.

PEdit: @BB: yeah, I sorta see that. I don't think Empking is scum at this point.

[Hiraki]

Oh well. I guess I'm scum for proving you wrong.

or something.

I think my avatar needs a changing due to that statement. Jokers not elite enough at this point, no offense.

[Andr├®]

UNVOTE: Ellf

Kondin has scum on him.

Do you still think this? If so, who?

Ellf could be scum, I'm okay with that lynch. WHICH MEANS I HAVE THE INTENT TO HAMMER.

CLAIM FOOL

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Not going to claim, saying it right now.

Whadda fuck is this? You ask for a claim and then don't claim yourself? If you find empking and hiraki working together to get claims from people scummy, why did you push for one from Ellf?

You're supposed to vote via scumhunting, by using scumtells.

You know. stuff that's defined, definite.

Then why are you running around asking for claims?

hey empking.

glowball is town.

andre por favor.

VT. And why is glowball town?

[Hiraki]

I didn't mean to claim...

I said you were my next target.

god damnit.

Unvote

I want Glowball to die after the realization that Andre gave.