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Post Post #4775 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:17 am

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JDodge wrote:i don't get how people keep completely missing the point that the idea of the gunblade nerf has nothing to do with akali, but with the fact that gunblade is a
stupidly OP item right now


this is something that can be determined with simple math

A gunblade costs 3625g. The highest source of pure AP in the game is a needlessly large rod, which is 80 AP for 1600 gold, setting the cost of 1 AP at 20 gold. This means that the value of the AP in a gunblade is 1500g. The cost of 1 AD is 36.67g. This makes the value of a gunblade's AD 2200.2, making the total value of it 3700.2g.
This is from two of the stats on it alone.
Lifesteal is the most expensive stat on it at 37.5g per percent, meaning the value of the lifesteal is an additional 750g. Spell vamp is a lot harder to calculate - the closest we can get is to make an assumption that the cost of spell vamp is equal to the cost of a revolver minus AP, which is 400g. 400/15=26.67, 26.67*25=666.75. This makes the total value of the stats before considering the active 5116.95g.
This is 141% of its gold cost in stats alone, not including the active
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Let's now consider Jax. Jax gets an additional ~851g of AP off of it due to his passive. That means it is worth 165% of its gold cost on Jax. Akali is another person who gets free stats off of the passive - she gets another 450g of gold and 15% magic damage on her attacks for it. The nerfs to gunblade have nothing to do with Akali or Jax being broken, and everything to do with the fact that
its gold efficiency is off the fucking charts.

Indeed. Gunblade is a stupidly efficient item. The result of its efficiency is that characters who depend on it snowball really fucking hard, especially given the stats that are on it. This is honestly the biggest problem with akali at the moment - unless you set up your team to counter her (udyr/janna/ezreal/Cho'Gath/Annie, say) then she snowballs out of control way too fast - particularly if you ever lapse in your positioning, which lets face it happens in low elo. Thats partially due to the fact that the stats on gunblade are snowball stats - lifesteal and spellvamp mean that if a champion starts beating you in a fight, then you have no way to stop it beating you in a fight.
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Post Post #4776 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:57 am

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They're not nerfing gunblades, they're killing my hakuna matata. :(

Akali's spell vamp passive is barely visible early in lane, where a runed q will heal you 5-10 hp if don't pop it ranks 1-3. A regrowth pendent is more potent than her passive in terms starter sustain. The healing only becomes noticeable when combined with revolver passive (+15%) and pickaxe (+5%) on the way to gunblade.

I think Akali is more manageable than ever after the change to ignite and other healing debuffs against vamp/lifesteal. Pretend Akali is Katarina when building your team and fighting, and you won't have a problem. She is countered hard by defensive cc (BEARS, BEARS!), attentive peelers, and quick focus change. People just haven't figured out how to play vs. her in lane at shitty elo, leading to a bunch of dumbly-fed high mobility assassins.

Strong lane counters to akali include rumble, talon, annie, irelia, garen, anivia, cho, udyr, lee, renekton. Good TEAM counters to akali possess short CD cc with a large radius of effect or pre-positioning powah, like Cow, Janna, Udyr. As someone like Udyr, you don't want to be at the front of your team vs. an Akali - wait for the ult in and be ready to stun-bot and focus her. Remember to always pursuepersue if her shroud is on CD. An Akali with her shroud down should never, ever be allowed to enter a fight and live.

The thing I find most unbalanced about Akali is the way her auto attack passive interacts with a Lichbane.
That's
just silly amounts of right click scaling. Fortunately, a lichbane is a DEEP build item that you'll only see on competent players after a gunblade
and
a rylais
and
a QSS/banshees (or both, usually).

Speaking of, HOLY SHIT I'VE SEEN SOME BAD AKALIS THIS WEEK. I can't wait until the FoTM rage dies down so I can pick the bitch in peace. Akali is NOT FIRST PICK MATERIAL - you want to pick her in response to low cc teams with limited mobility on carries, and a locked top that you can win against.
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Post Post #4777 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:04 am

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If you want to beat an akali use pink wards or oracles, she's shut down for the early game by that alone, afterwards just laugh at her because she isn't fed.
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Post Post #4778 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:52 am

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Nuwen look on the bright side they could have "remade" Akali's passive like they did Kayle's instead of nerfing gunblade.
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Post Post #4779 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:04 am

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It makes me sick to listen to phreak and whatever his name is fanboy clg so hard when they just are getting dominated.
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Post Post #4780 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:54 am

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Sup guys

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Post Post #4781 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:54 am

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Well that was a fun accidental inhouse >_>
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Post Post #4782 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:55 am

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Post Post #4783 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:30 am

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I'm starting to get the hang of this.

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Post Post #4784 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:34 am

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Staeg wrote:Well that was a fun accidental inhouse >_>


For reals. We get into the loading screen, and Reck's all "look at who we're playing."

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Post Post #4785 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:49 am

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The funny thing is, the match before we went vs someone called "sensfanman"
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Post Post #4786 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:50 am

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So I just killed a swain as ashe by shooting my arrow at him while he tanked super creeps.

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Post Post #4787 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:59 am

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I main a hybrid kat.... I use 2 gunblades.... :(((
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Post Post #4788 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:14 pm

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Riot is thinking about deleting level ones that never played so their name is available.

Fate is a level 1 nobody.

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Post Post #4789 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:10 pm

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OMG YES
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Post Post #4790 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:34 pm

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Post Post #4791 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:14 pm

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Singer actually carried a game.
WTF.
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Post Post #4792 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:15 pm

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Guys I was good as a PRETTY BIRD

also
Fate wrote:Riot is thinking about deleting level ones that never played so their name is available.

Fate is a level 1 nobody.

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Post Post #4793 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:17 pm

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I literally 1:1 their trynd, waited til he ulted, flashed away, let him chase me, and the volleyed back to kill him.

That.

Game.

Was.

AWESOME.
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Post Post #4794 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:22 pm

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Gammagooey wrote:Guys I was good as a STUPID BIRD

FTFY!
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Post Post #4795 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:12 pm

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singersigner wrote:I literally 1:1 their trynd, waited til he ulted, flashed away, let him chase me, and the volleyed back to kill him.

That.

Game.

Was.

AWESOME.

And that's how you bait.
or something like that....
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Post Post #4796 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:12 pm

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Brandi wrote:
Gammagooey wrote:Guys I was good as a STUPID BIRD

FTFY!


Don't like her then?
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Post Post #4797 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:25 pm

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Ankamius wrote:
Brandi wrote:
Gammagooey wrote:Guys I was good as a STUPID BIRD

FTFY!


Don't like her then?


I love her; I'm referencing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoO_O5vHHqg


ALSO TROLOLOL GAME HERE:
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Post Post #4798 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:31 pm

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MrZepher wrote:
singersigner wrote:I literally 1:1 their trynd, waited til he ulted, flashed away, let him chase me, and the volleyed back to kill him.

That.

Game.

Was.

AWESOME.

And that's how you bait.

Oh ok.

NOW YOU TRY.
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Post Post #4799 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:36 pm

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Oh, I also like the one where I B, let a champ get to a tower, send an arrow from base, and TP to the tower just as the arrow gets there and then rape their face through their ass. ;)
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