Mini 1259: RPG Mafia (GAME OVER)


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Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:36 am

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@Pere

I targeted you because I thought you were scum and I wanted to prevent the factional nightkill? O_________O (obviously?)

Tim wrote:

Peregrine: Mystic by PoE unless counterclaimed

Claimed Skillbuild: ?

Notes: Timeater claims to have targeted him N1 with neurotoxin, Junpei claims to have targeted him N1 with heal


@Pere

You got smoke and mirrors or not? Whats yo skillbuild, nigga?
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Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:38 am

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If Peregrine flips scum attached to a townsperson Junpei is almost assuredly scum.

If Junpei flips scum then Peregrine is scum as well. I have more crackpot theories but I will save them for later.
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Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:39 am

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Timeater wrote:btw mist confirmed for having at least rank 2 of life drain

Life Drain (infliction; night activated; unlimited)
Level One: You suck the life out of a target player, funnelling any passive boosts they have to you instead for one day and night cycle.
Level Two: You suck the life out of two target players, funnelling any passive boosts they have to you instead for one day and night cycle.
Level Three: You suck the life out of three target players, funnelling any passive boosts they have to you instead for one day and night cycle.


I'll probably lifedrain some people to verify skillbuilds.


Did I leave that out there on purpose? :roll:

So Junpei is the lynch?
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Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:40 am

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Wait, I'm confused with the above post, OS.
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Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:48 am

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I got a shitload of crackpot theories for this game. Its hard choosing which one I like best.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... resolution

OK Hindu brings up a good point. Since My skill has "Delayer" properties AV classified it as a roleblocker.

Heal is of course "Protect" by anyone's standards.

His reflect skill is treated as a "redirect"

The target is peregrin. According to nar, the process that should have happened is this:

Block (neurotoxin)
Redirect (smoke and mirrors)
Protect (heal)

Lets assumed all that happened between us and there were no third parties in this case. I was pickpocketed by Oversoul, but that isnt relevant.

So is it safe to assume according to NAR that my action was indeed received first and in fact nullified itself out of existence?
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Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:50 am

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I was apparently targeted 3 times last night from what I gather.
I'd like to hear why I was selected, as in what were you hoping/thinking to accomplish by targeting me?


Oh shit, interesting. Somebody lied. Now I see what hind was saying :P
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Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:51 am

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this is gonna be good.

*eats some popcorn*
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Post Post #1107 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:53 am

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Timeater wrote:I got a shitload of crackpot theories for this game. Its hard choosing which one I like best.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... resolution

OK Hindu brings up a good point. Since My skill has "Delayer" properties AV classified it as a roleblocker.

Heal is of course "Protect" by anyone's standards.

His reflect skill is treated as a "redirect"

The target is peregrin. According to nar, the process that should have happened is this:

Block (neurotoxin)
Redirect (smoke and mirrors)
Protect (heal)

Lets assumed all that happened between us and there were no third parties in this case. I was pickpocketed by Oversoul, but that isnt relevant.

So is it safe to assume according to NAR that my action was indeed received first and in fact nullified itself out of existence?


Good post. Where does the protect come from? Junpei?
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Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:53 am

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you block peregrin who redirects it, and junpeis heal goes through?
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Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:57 am

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Did you lifedrain peregrin?
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Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:58 am

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What bothers me is Fate claimed he was drained.

The other person(s) did not.
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Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:58 am

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Nope.
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Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:59 am

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Nope what?

You scared?
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Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:00 am

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oh you prob saying no to 1109 eh
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Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:01 am

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Yep.

Do we know 100% certain that junpei targeted peregrineV?
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Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:02 am

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You can't do NAR with these sort of roles in my opinion. This is the same exact problem that consumed the fucking town in the end of Brightest Day (ugh).

Here is my theory of how things go down (without referencing to NAR)

Timeater delays Peregrine
Peregrine uses Smoke and Mirrors
Junpei Heals Peregrine

Since Smoke and Mirrors is not an automatic passive skill (and dear god if it was), Smoke and Mirrors will not take affect until the next night because of Timeater's delay. Because of the delay, the Heal actually went through. As such, Peregrine should not have any passive abilities currently.

If Peregrine's power was a passive you would theoretically be delaying yourself for the rest of the game, or explode because of fucking with the laws of physics (your action would not succeed).

This little couplet of power roles is interesting and could be a scum gambit...

AV, can one scum member, regardless of how many teammates he has, submit the kill order AND perform his own action?


If the above is true then Peregrine and Junpei are probably scum as it is a nice little way for Junpei to make himself a Bullet Proof Godfather for 1 night, perhaps even more.

Junpei would infuse the truth of his action, knowing that his own ability would be reflected back at him due to Peregrine activating Smoke and Mirrors with Peregrine submitting the kill and remaining impervious to any other action during the night.

Another cute interplay that is less likely is the Nielwarren Lifedraining the Special Bonus from the High Priest giving the scumteam the potential to all be godfathered in one night. However, that is less likely as I doubt a special bonus can be Life Drained. I have more to reveal about the Nielwarren tomorrow, but so much setup speculation at a crucial moment isn't going to help. I will say that, my ability notified me that the victims would be notified of their ability change, a commonality I believe is shared between Life Drain and Silence.

I have one monster of a crackpot (in its absurdity) that I am waiting to drop depending on the flip of Junpei.

That is what I meant by the above post, Mist.

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Kiwi could have done some mischievous things and is another crackpot theory of mine so...

How do we know he was targetted 3 times? Peregrine, please clarify.
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Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:04 am

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Timeater wrote:
I was apparently targeted 3 times last night from what I gather.
I'd like to hear why I was selected, as in what were you hoping/thinking to accomplish by targeting me?


Oh shit, interesting. Somebody lied. Now I see what hind was saying :P


I think that is Peregrine failing at math or scumslipping. Only two people have claimed an action on Peregrine unless I am blind. No other information unless otherwise told can lead to that conclusion he made.
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Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:05 am

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Seriously think about this.

Mist has AT LEAST rank 2 of lifedrain.

The other person drained HAS NOT SAID SO.
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Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:08 am

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PeregrineV, you have some MAJOR explaining to do.
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Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:10 am

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Mortal Coil
(buff; night activated; one-shot)
Level One:
Choose a single player to hex; if they are killed or lynched, you will die in their place; if you are killed or lynched, they will die instead. Lasts for the current day and night phase.
Level Two:
Choose a single player to hex; if they are killed or lynched, you will die in their place; if you are killed or lynched, they will die instead. Lasts for the current and next day and night phases.
Level Three:
Choose a single player to hex; if they are killed or lynched, you will die in their place; if you are killed or lynched, they will die instead. Lasts for the duration of the game.

Mystic Eye
(active; night activated; vari-shot)
Level One:
You read the messages of nature to discover who visited a target player tonight (1x)
Level Two:
You read the messages of nature to discover who visited a target player tonight (2x)
Level Three:
You read the messages of nature to discover who visited a target player tonight (∞)
Smoke and Mirror
(buff; any time; vari-shot)
Level One:
A fundamental illusionist trick, you reflect any action used on you during the current day or night phase back onto its user (1x).
Level Two:
A fundamental illusionist trick, you reflect any action used on you during the current day or night phase back onto its user (2x).
Level Three:
A fundamental illusionist trick, you reflect any actions used on you during the current day or night phase back onto its user (∞).

*Special Note: A reflected skill does not affect the Mystic. Skills that last more than one round are not reflected if
Smoke and Mirror
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Explain how you know 3 people visited you.

Explain why you don't know the names.
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Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:13 am

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oh god, Smoke and Mirrors can become a passive skill. O_o For the purpose of action resolution though, I think it acts as an unlimitedly activated ability. Or at least it
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be considered that when dealing with a roleblocker. :\

Timeater, be quiet right now. Mist isn't scummy, the only thing that is scummy is the reasoning she used for targetting her second person, which yes, she did claim and you are dumb if you can't infer it from her posts and the information already available to you.
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Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:14 am

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RBT and Peregrine you best be contributing to this thread soon.
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Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:16 am

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Flavor messages?
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Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:19 am

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unvote


On this moment, I fear things aren't making enough sense to me. The question asked above by mist is the question I have too.

And I made a silly mistake, but I hope nobody finds out about that.

Mist Beauty wrote:Yep.

Do we know 100% certain that junpei targeted peregrineV?


No we don't, and you are like my twin sister. It's the only point that keeps the Junpei case alive. And of course, your second question I can answer halfway: per didn't take 3 points in smoke and mirrors.
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Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:24 am

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flinter wrote:
unvote


On this moment, I fear things aren't making enough sense to me. The question asked above by mist is the question I have too.

And I made a silly mistake, but I hope nobody finds out about that.

Mist Beauty wrote:Yep.

Do we know 100% certain that junpei targeted peregrineV?


No we don't, and you are like my twin sister. It's the only point that keeps the Junpei case alive. And of course, your second question I can answer halfway: per didn't take 3 points in smoke and mirrors.


How do you know?
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