Mini 1259: RPG Mafia (GAME OVER)

[flinter]

I'm trying to build up my meta, give me a break. flinters, why didn't you choose the hammering ability, I wanted to drain it =[

pedit: kiwi, what do you mean?

oh meanie, you targeted me? Why would you?

And it's only temporary right? So didn't actually lose anything? Or might I have lost something, mist?

[Oversoul]

I'll vote him once he gives his reads. Junpei, do you have a lot of time? Shouldn't take more than 3 hours in one sitting at the max.

[Timeater]

I just dont like the predatory nature of this lynch.

I think the discussion we were having earlier should not have been quelled so fast by flinter...

Something weird is going on I feel it.

[kiwieagle]

Yeah the point that Mist did the gambit A SECOND TIME (and the point that me and hind both said that Mist was wrong) and junpei STILL believed it is kinda hard to believe.

and what do you mean what do I mean Mist?

[Oversoul]

What do you mean, Timeater?

Flinter, you would have received a PM.... did you receive a PM saying your ability was stolen for a night?

[Mist Beauty]

I haven't targeted you :C

See my above post, it's just sharing, I'm borrowing your lawnmower, you'll get it back the next day.

[Timeater]

PV can you post again

[Mist Beauty]

^^ @mist

This.

[Junpei]

Hindu, I play to my win con, unlike several of those here who claimed to have done the most absurd things (like that person who silenced Fates' "fuck"). I think kiwi did that. Kiwi, if you're town you need to put a "i dont give a fuck about winning" disclaimer in your signature.

pedit: That makes no sense whatsoever Hindu and you know it.

pedit2: Oversoul, do I haev a lot of time? No, I have no time, but I'm going to be pulling an all nighter so that I can get this shit done for you guys. I want town to win, and so I'd like to summize all my thoughts.

PLEASE STOP POSTING SO MUCH
THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT IS HAPPENING
"JUNPEI IS SCUM"
"YEAH"
"UHH YEAH I GUESS... MAYBE"
"YEAH JUNPEI YOU'RE SCUM"

Rinse, repeat.

pedit3: Kiwi how the hell am I supposed to know what is a gambit and what is real!?

>haven't read the last 5/6 pages at the time
>no idea what the VC is at
>see vote
>see 'OMG HAMMER'
>Notice mod is inthread (posted a response to question)

The next logical course of action is to hastily make a post with some form of read in it, so get off my back.

[flinter]

What do you mean, Timeater?

Flinter, you would have received a PM.... did you receive a PM saying your ability was stolen for a night?

Oh, I was worried I might have lost my passive there. I thought it was pretty nice. Thanks for reassuring me.

[Timeater]

But I thought you didnt have your passive?

[Timeater]

And why is PV voting OS?

[Oversoul]

Are like 3 people capable of reading in this game? lol.

Fate smack 'em up

[PeregrineV]

PV can you post again

Sure, what are you looking for?

For making a bunch of assumptions after stating they can't be true. then asking questions that he already has the answers to.

Is it a bad vote?

[Junpei]

Wait!

Oversoul said "Junpei is going to be so mad"

So whoever is saying "NO WAY JUNPEI FELL FOR THAT" has to say the same for Oversoul, who had even been up to date on the current thread status.

[Timeater]

OS has striken me as pretty fuckn scummy for awhile now. His true colors have really come out last few pages.

[Oversoul]

Junpei don't you even go down that damn alley. That is a blatant misrep and I was commenting on the sole fact that we were still spam posting.

[Timeater]

Sure, what are you looking for?For making a bunch of assumptions after stating they can't be true. then asking questions that he already has the answers to.Is it a bad vote?

Care to make a more in-depth case?

[Mist Beauty]

Maybe he is scum. Or maybe he was playing along with a trollgambit. Or maybe he believed me. Now that you've caught up, let's see what you've got.

pedit: oh my...

[Timeater]

Answer my goddamn question, flinter.

[Oversoul]

And Peregrine isn't voting anyone else because he needs his vote on someone not named Junpei.

pedit:

Do you people actually BELIEVE Junpei? O_O

[Timeater]

I went through the trouble of metaing him.

Its not leagues apart from the usual.

[Junpei]

Oversoul, I wasn't implicating you as a liar, obviously I fell for it too, so that is obvious. It was actually me trying to point out that "hey, I was in reasonable domain to be mistaken!". I apologize for the miscue, but I don't know how I was supposed to know what you were exactly talking about, since I was mad when I found out I was lynched; or so I thought.

[kiwieagle]

^^ @mist

This.

what dont you understand?

[PeregrineV]

Here is my theory of how things go down (without referencing to NAR)

Timeater delays Peregrine

Peregrine uses Smoke and Mirrors
Junpei Heals Peregrine

Since Smoke and Mirrors is not an automatic passive skill (and dear god if it was), Smoke and Mirrors will not take affect until the next night because of Timeater's delay.

Junpei would infuse the truth of his action, knowing that his own ability would be reflected back at him due to Peregrine activating Smoke and Mirrors with

Peregrine submitting the kill

and remaining impervious to any other action during the night.

@Oversoul- please reconcile this leap of illogic. If I was delayed how am I performing anything?

That was my other question that I was going to ask when AV answered my first one. My point still stands as Junpei could have simply submitted the kill, but it would be safer if you did it.

Timeeater's Neurotoxin:

Creep up behind a target player and inject a toxin into their nervous system, delaying any action they take during the night phase until the following night

So any action I perform would not have taken place last night. And a kill happened anyway. So, I'm asking you to logically explain how you believe Time and still think I performed ANY night action.

Logical discontinuities. EVERYWHERE.

Vote: Oversoul

Yes, Time targeted me, as said by Time.
Junpei targeted me, as said by Junpei.
A third person targeted me, as said by Mod.

and let's dig into what AV said that you are trying to say I said.

I don't really want to talk about specific role-on-role interactions.
I will say that I'm using NAR, and that you can probably figure it out from that.

Sure, maybe I need to clarify what the equivalents would be:
I'm treating a Delayer as a type of Roleblocker, and a Reflector as a type of Redirector.

You can use NAR to figure out the rest. I mean, that's what I used to work through role interactions when making the setup. It's not like I'm hiding anything, I just don't want to say "This is what will happen when X" because its up to you as players to come to those conclusions yourself.

From the wiki

Paradox and Ambiguity

Sometimes the actions that might affect each other form a loop, so that there's no action to pick in step 1. In other cases, the order of two actions matters but it isn't clear that one affects the other. When that happens, pick an action to resolve in this order:
Copy
Hide
Bus
Block- Delayer
Redirect- Reflector
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect

pedit: yes, but how was that so hard to figure out when you've already stated the order of what happened, and the mod also stated.

ppedit: too fast for this pedit crap, you'll get a post for each thing needing a response.

Fate was notified via PM that he had lost his ability, just as Timeater was notified via PM that he had lost a point in his skill.

Where did the mod say that another person targetted you?

Hmm. That is odd. What did the mod say in the PM? Other than you were targetted? All of the notification abilities have been claimed by the victim and the user. The only one left is Alua, which you would know if the PM had the word Intimidate in it.

I don't understand how Peregrine received any PM as there are no rolechanging/manipulating roles that don't have an opposite partner.

The only one left is Alua, which you would know if the PM had the word Intimidate in it.

Asked and answered by Oversoul twice.

Well, here are the posts where I mention that Oversoul seems to be asking when he already has the answers, or speculating on actions that couldn't have taken place.