New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

[Thor665]

Interesting.
Okay, thank you. I may revisit this shortly.

@Mastin - looking forward to your thoughts on the game balance and the weak scum team.

[Oversoul]

Interesting?

[Thor665]

Yeah, I possess evidence that you were roleblocked Night 2. So it's interesting you received an investigation.
That said I'm curious to get a bit more of a read from Mastin as regards game balance since he's using it in his examples as a scumhunting tool. We'll revisit this later, now you can stop fishing.

[Oversoul]

Oh really? Are you claiming scum with Foolish Fool then?

[Thor665]

That seems like a non-sequitor to me.

Let's look at my last post and what I'm claiming;

"I possess evidence that you were roleblocked Night 2. So it's interesting you received an investigation."

No...I don't get the Foolish Fool part - could you clue me in?

[Thor665]

Wait - this is more role-fishing, right? I get confused by those sometimes.

[Oversoul]

Two roleblockers already flipped. You weren't in the Neighborhood... and the only other logical explanation is you are a teammate with Foolish Fool. But Bvoigt died for me that night so it wouldn't make sense for them to target me with roleblock + kill when a kill accomplishes the same thing as a roleblock in that regard (plus more).

Plus, I have a result so I am calling bullshit on you. Stop trying to gambit.

Of course you would. Have it your way.

[Oversoul]

redFF stop fucking lurking.

[Oversoul]

Unless you are claiming to be a third roleblocker in which case I still don't believe you. You can claim and what not when Mastin comes back but I still think you are lieing.

[Thor665]

That's a very aggressive stance - I never even said whether or not I thought you were lying, and you also immediately jumped to the conclusion I was claiming roleblocker. Why so tense?

[Oversoul]

Stop being so coy, Thor. I'm acting tense because I already have like 3 votes for no freaking reason and the lynch threshold is like 5. I don't need anymore derp towns on me when it is proven that I cannot be the damn SK.

You said you had evidence saying I was roleblocked Night 2 and then said it was interesting I got a result. Uhh... that isn't non sequitor unless you are withholding information.

Mastin is here and I want to hear his input, but you can stop the gambit now, Thor.

[mastin2]

@Mastin - 6 scum (5 maf, 1 SK) vs. 14 town with 5+ PRs while Mafia get a Watcher, a RBer, and also have the SK as a threat? Sounds like we should take very little pride in stomping that weak arse mafia team into the ground, yeah?

You got a better idea?

'Cause I really can't see anything else.

Wait, six scum? We've only have four scum flip. My my, do I detect a slip?

But yeah. Mafia RB and Mafia Watcher with daytalk is reasonably balanced, against relatively weak town PRs. Gunsmith can get false positives and misses the SK. Vig was even-night only. Bodyguards die when they do their job. Our strongest roles have been the JOAT (Investigate, Watch, and Doc) and the Jailkeeper. Scum neighbor+scum daytalk (if existing like I think it does) kinda counters the neighborhood's value. (Or, well, would've, had the scum member not been the first one outed. )

With one full-protective role, one half-protect, have-preventative role, a scum watcher to catch actions, a one-shot doc and a one-shot watch to catch actions, plus a scum preventative role...

...Those are ALL things which work to balance out the SK, making their chances of getting a kill in unlikely. Let's not forget to factor in the possibility of double night-kills, though last I checked, NAR requires both kills to show up in the flavor. (It was brought up in Demon Hybrid's game, so unless the rule has changed, no double-kills have occured yet, though they could and game balance is built on "could".)

Balance isn't my strongsuit (as a few certain people can attest to >_<), but in my head, it seems to make relatively enough sense.

[Oversoul]

Would the mafia be able to no kill two nights in a row? That seems kinda shitty if they are able to do that.

Mastin, opinion on Thor saying he has information saying I was roleblocked Night 2?

[mastin2]

My first thought was a Wild Mass Guess that Thor+Empking were somehow scum together and that Empking's block of you was blocked by Hoppster's.

When I realized just how absurd that theory was, I dropped the idea, since it'd require 1: a six-man scumteam AND a serial killer, plus 2: a second scum roleblocker.


So, yeah. I have no clue.

[Oversoul]

Can I request that Thor please inform us what he meant by "I have information that you were roleblocked Night 2"? Or is that too rolefishy?

[redFF]

redFF stop fucking lurking.

hello!

[redFF]

VOTE: epm

yup you can't do jack shit all game and expect to be ignored because some gunsmith who fakes guilty's says you are.

os how do you know your neighborhood is town only?

that's right you dont lololol

[redFF]

*some gunsmith who fakes guiltys says you are town.

[Oversoul]

I see you Thor...

redFF, had he been Mafia, or SK, he would have done his actions completely differently.

[Oversoul]

because hoppster and I announced our targets each night :\

Thor, I see you. -.-

[Thor665]

@Mastin - 6 scum (5 maf, 1 SK) vs. 14 town with 5+ PRs while Mafia get a Watcher, a RBer, and also have the SK as a threat? Sounds like we should take very little pride in stomping that weak arse mafia team into the ground, yeah?

You got a better idea?

'Cause I really can't see anything else.

Wait, six scum? We've only have four scum flip. My my, do I detect a slip?

Sure.

But at that stage we're down to 5 total scum, one of them a SK versus 15 town with 5+ PRs? That's gakked up.

[Thor665]

Thor, I see you. -.-

I see you too...?

[Oversoul]

Can I request that Thor please inform us what he meant by "I have information that you were roleblocked Night 2"? Or is that too rolefishy?

[redFF]

I see you Thor...

redFF, had he been Mafia, or SK, he would have done his actions completely differently.

im confused as to what he has done so far. If you do nothing then there isn't much you can change.

I see you Thor...

stop this please its retarded and annoying.

[Thor665]

I guess I've gotten enough of a twitch reaction out of you - I'm fascinated how little support you appear to have despite your lynches. I can, however, verify you're not mafia simply because you were roleblocked - though you were too twitchy to note that considering some of the gambit mafia case on you.

Claim: Voyeur

Night 1 - watched DX - he was jailkept
Night 2 - watched Oversoul - he was protected and roleblocked
Night 3 - watched redFF - he was tracked
Night 4 - watched Foolish Fool - he was nightkilled
Night 5 - watched Oversoul - no actions targeted him.

So - we have a tracker out there that we don't know about.
Oversoul is either doing a really weird gambit/lie about Night 2 or there was some sort of strange effect going on.
The Emp result is as trustworthy as any Oversoul result is.

I think Oversoul is highly unlikely mafia - else who is roleblocking him?
I think Oversoul will need consideration as regards Night 2 - though I'm not sure what sort of strange gambit is going down there.
Presence of the Tracker suggests town is grossly powered to the point I'm wondering what the opposition is, or one of the other PRs is not town.