Mini 1250: That 70s Smalltown - GAME OVER

[farside22]

Kdow: Who do you think is scum and why? If you actually did that instead of just floating by..........

[kdowns]

@Kdow: Who do you think is scum and why?

I'm waiting on CS to respond in this game a bit more. His lack of input is bothering me most of all.

Ironically I think it's seacore, but that is what my gut and highly annoyed mind is thinking. Calling me out on lurking early today while I was at work ...

I believe I've answered this before and the fact he joins up on the wagon almost the post after you casted your vote should be noted.

[Seacore]

Sigh.

So the fact that I voted for you already and removed my vote at Farside's (confirmed town) request, then asked her if we could start voting for you again after it was clear that 3/5 of the players find you scummy? No, I'm opportunistic, I saw a vote and then jumped.

Also, I can't be the only scum in the game, there's got to be another, who is it?

[ConSpiracy]

Why Jason is town:

I think scum jason would have protected the sudo cop over the tracker. Tracker is more information in the end and the WIFOM would have allowed Seacore's death today without question. No scum wants the cop to live. I also like Jason's catch up post and thoughts over all. Also the argument from Magna to Jason and Jason's reaction does not read like scum bussing.

1. He protected the cop over the tracker.
2. He was told to protect the cop over the tracker.
3. As scum he knows who he kill delays, so WIFOM was out of the question anyways.
4. I blatantly disagree the discussion between Magua and Jason to be scum. Why not as scum bussing? It was totally a "Quilford is likely to be lynched so let's put some heat on each other"-bussing.

ConS, I don't understand your thinking at all.

At this stage of the game, more than at any other, the SK and the remaining mafia must be hunting each other.
Therefore, if I was one of the scum, there's no way I'd identify myself to (potentially) the other scum by lying. Scum-farside would know I was seacore-scum, but seacore-scum wouldn't have any extra information about scum-farside, because seacore-scum would only know that somebody else was town (from his leo power) not what farside's alignment was.
So it would be a terrible idea for me to lie regardless of my alignment.

You seem to be hung up on the motivation for the SK to kill hiplop but not on the motivation of seacore-scum to lie.

Speaking of which

How do you know that hiplop was killed by the SK? I don't know that. I just know hiplop died N1. Only the scum (on either side) would know who killed hiplop.
Which one are you?

I am not 100% sure about that, but mb53 was Jk'ed N1 and flipped mafia. On top of that, he didn't have a night action which makes the odds far likelier for him to send in the kill.

I am ready to hammer. I can talk to farside about jason anyways and this day isn't very productive much longer.
Jason, remember not to kill delay if kdowns flips mafia/sk.

[farside22]

@Con: I was thinking more about night 1 about protecting the cop. Quilford was town and Jason could as scum said he protected Seacore night 1 and the scum could have killed the tracker, no question asked.

@Kdow: I see you posting elsewhere more frequently then here. Honestly I see it as actively lurking, along with your hammers. I highly doubt you would not "remember" why you found MOI scummy.

[kdowns]

Just kill me and Let the Mafia/SK win.

[kdowns]

V/LA for the next few days.

[jasonT1981]

1. He protected the cop over the tracker.
2. He was told to protect the cop over the tracker.
3. As scum he knows who he kill delays, so WIFOM was out of the question anyways.
4. I blatantly disagree the discussion between Magua and Jason to be scum. Why not as scum bussing? It was totally a "Quilford is likely to be lynched so let's put some heat on each other"-bussing.

ConS, I don't understand your thinking at all.

1 - I protected cop, because a confirmed town was needed. I did not like protecting Seacore, but had to.
2 - I make my own decisions on that.
3 - As town I also know who I kill deley... so whats the point?
4 - I had always said Quil was town.

[jasonT1981]

ignore the above, its part of a bigger post, only I hit submit too early

[jasonT1981]

Sorry for the inactivity, I have a busy life.

I have a theory and I want both jason and kdowns to tell me what they think about it.

The hiplop kill was very odd.

He was an easy mislynch

, not vocal about his opinion at all and the only reason why he would be killed is his night action. Who would benefit from it the most? Farside, cause she can turn a LyLo into a win with it. That's why I do not want to lynch Seacore and if he is scum, to tell him that he must kill farside at night (if his information was wrong) Jason may

obviously not kill delay fars because of that.

The night actions speculations seem good. I think kdowns and jason are the scum.

And I apologise for the lack of input, but I really don't have enough time for it at them moment.

Bold 1 - Sounds like a lot of WIFOM me to be honest.

Bold 2 - No, I will be using my power. Any request for me not to use it, is one I look suspicious upon. Say 2 die in night, I can save 1 until end of next day. We get an extra shot at a lynch if we lynch right today, and puts town in a good position. Not using it = not an option I think. Also, not protect a confirmed town? that is something scum would want, to take out a confirmed town going into the final few people left...

As for speculation on Hiplop kill, it will be just that.. speculation. He was powerful though.

Seacore is that a slip?

Urgh, dont really see it as a slip. but whatever.

Totally. You've outted me as scum. Clever you.

What slip?

urgh, fuck I hate answers like these. Sarcasm is used a lot by scum to hide behind I have seen. I really hate answers like these.

You seem to be hung up on the motivation for the SK to kill hiplop but not on the motivation of seacore-scum to lie.

Speaking of which

How do you know that hiplop was killed by the SK? I don't know that. I just know hiplop died N1. Only the scum (on either side) would know who killed hiplop.
Which one are you?

We had a confirmed scum blocked in the night 1 though. I think that might be where speculation is coming from.

-Sigh-

No way I'm going to be able to get out of this bind is there?

don't get this post, you could try but you seem all but given up already from this page. All one liners, no real content and a weak scumslip accusation (though the response to it was equally, if not more alarming (I hate those WIFOM yes I am scum replies))

Also, I can't be the only scum in the game, there's got to be another, who is it?

2 scum dead, I am sure there is only one left and a SK... otherwise game would be over now (I think) 5 left.. 2 scum, 1 SK, 2 town.. (yea scum would win when equel to or greater than town)

1. He protected the cop over the tracker.
2. He was told to protect the cop over the tracker.
3. As scum he knows who he kill delays, so WIFOM was out of the question anyways.
4. I blatantly disagree the discussion between Magua and Jason to be scum. Why not as scum bussing? It was totally a "Quilford is likely to be lynched so let's put some heat on each other"-bussing.

ConS, I don't understand your thinking at all.

1 - I protected cop, because a confirmed town was needed. I did not like protecting Seacore, but had to.
2 - I make my own decisions on that.
3 - As town I also know who I kill deley... so whats the point?
4 - I had always said Quil was town. As scum I could easily have ridden that wagon for an easy lynch. Now, Magua went after both me and Quil in nothing but WIFOM attack his attackers. That is not bussing, that was desperate scum.

Just kill me and Let the Mafia/SK win.

Urgh... I hate this. I can hammer, but Kdown is not my top suspect.. I would rather lynch Seacore or Con

Sorry for my absence past few days, had a small but urgent family matter that needed attention.

[Seacore]

Sorry. I do agree that the tone I've been taking with kdowns has not been positive. I just can't stand players like this. He acts scummy (in my opinion) all game and then washes his hands of it and declares that if we lose it's our fault, not his. It's frustrating. When he put a one liner down declaring that I'd scumslipped, without an explanation of how it was a scum slip (or any other contribution), then it brought out my snappy side. It's all AtE and I should be ignoring it, but it annoys me.

As for ConS's "Scumslip". Yes, I could see a bunch of reasons he could have given for it that were acceptable, but I like to ask the questions anyway to see if it gets a reaction. As it is, he definitely sounded certain that it must have been an SK kill, whereas I've just been working with that assumption. IMO it's also possible that mb53 was the SK's target and the scum kill did go through. However, I didn't factor in mb53 not having a night action, so you're right, it's far more likely to be as ConS has assumed. But in short, it seemed certain and I took a bite.

Also, sorry, I think it's the terminology. I often refer to SK as scum (because they are trying to stab my face off while I sleep). So there's mafia and SKs and they collectively make up the scum. So when I say there's two scum left, I mean there's 1 SK and 1 mafia. But as I've said before, they're basically identical at this point, although tracking them through their motivations is distinct. Which is why I'm so sure that kdowns is our SK.

[farside22]

What seacore stated is exactly how I feel about Kdow. Instead of fighting or trying to show some sort of defense. He has this take my ball and go home without even trying.
His 2 hammers, his lack of content, his lurkerish and AtE are all giving me huge scum signs.

Cons' is my number 2 scum suspect. I had this gut/fear moment about Seacore, but not him as mafia. No way in hell do I see it.
As for the "slip" by Cons I was thinking about Jason's JK'ing mb53.
However if Cons believes that Jason's jailed scum, why does he suspect him of being scum.

I'm calling it crap and more crap and pretty much confirms my scum read on CS at this point.

[kdowns]

I am going way to the Right field in this but

VOTE: Jason

[Seacore]

jason wasn't a jk, quil was.
jason is the kill delayer.


also, kdowns, can you maybe actually put down some reasons for that?

[kdowns]

I like it because of the fact he sees me as the least scummy out of the two as evidence in his post in 392

[Seacore]

so you're voting for somebody who you don't find scummy?

Has somebody explained this game to you?

[kdowns]

No I'm voting him because he sees me as the least scummy.

[Seacore]

ah, totally my bad. I misread sees as seems

as in "he seems to me to be the least scummy"

That's not bad, except that it would be in the mafia's interest to get the SK lynched at this point. So jason ignoring your scuminess isn't motivated by keeping scum alive.

Also, is this an admission of guilt?

[kdowns]

Nope, Although Compared to you and Farside who have me labeled as the Most, Jason has me the least and I am just poking him atm.

[Seacore]

If Jason is the last mafia, what do you think his motivation is for trying to keep you alive?

[kdowns]

I don't understand his motivation for wanting to kill me as he could of Hammered me by now.

[Seacore]

Exactly, so he clearly has motivation for trying to keep you alive. Or at least motivation for trying to appear as if he's keeping you alive.

So, is it scum motivation or town motivation?

He will claim it is town motivation, he doesn't believe you are scummy (he thinks ConS and I are) so he doesn't want a mislynch.

However, you've voted for him, so you must believe he has a scum motivation for doing so?

Do you think he is scum trying to keep alive you (a townie) so that he can earn some gratitude and have your help in lynching me and Cons?
Or do you think he is scum trying to keep alive you (the SK) so that you can help him kill people tonight and he can lynch you tomorrow?
Or do you think he is scum who wants you dead, but wants other people to do the dirty work so he can look 'confused' and 'conflicted'?

Or something else?

[kdowns]

It's the first one as I know my Alignment. He is probably trying to buddy up to me.

[Seacore]

Keep in mind that he doesn't know your alignment. But fair enough, you think he's scum trying to buddy to you.

That could have been said in your vote post, just FYI.

[jasonT1981]

KDowns, out of Seacore and Con and yourself, yes, you are the least scummy of the 3,but you are still a scum suspect to me.

Keep in mind that he doesn't know your alignment. But fair enough, you think he's scum trying to buddy to you.

That could have been said in your vote post, just FYI.

how can I be buddying up to you, when I have gone after you since I came back to the game?

Let me re-itterate... I think you are scummy, but you are 3rd on my list which reads

Scum

Seacore
Con

Kdowns

Farside
myself

Town

So because I have you 3rd on my list.. that makes me your scum/SK vote? makes no sense.