New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

[Empking]

You needed to be replaced then.

[Thor665]

Fair enough - I'm still town though.

[mastin2]

My thoughts are that Thor's claim is probably true, since he is claiming things which'd be suicidal if he didn't already know--for him to know about Oversoul, and for him to know about an unclaimed role. If either of those were wrong, he'd be dead.

Theoretically, I suppose it'd be possible for him to be SK-Voyear, but, well...seems a bit doubtful. And he can't be scum. Why?

Mafia Watcher, that's why. The mafia wouldn't have a Watcher AND a Voyear; they're effectively the same role.

And...well, I suppose it'd kinda make sense. Mafia Watcher, town Voyear. Mafia roleblocker, town jailkeeper. Kinda creates some symmetry.


As for Empking--I'm really not sure. I thought of something which made me think town, there's other things which suggest scum.

Regardless. I believe the correct move right now would be for the tracker to claim (even though I have a good idea who they are), since there's really no reason not to.

ORDER OF SK LIKELIHOOD:

6. David Xanatos
1. Empking
2. Xeras
4. Nobody Special Vifam
10. redFF
5. Thor665 Lady Lambadelta BomberMan
8. fatlikepig LTP Mafia

Something like that. Exact order may vary, with Xeras through redFF.


If you want it in terms of Mafia, then it goes something like this:

10. redFF
4. Nobody Special Vifam
2. Xeras

6. David Xanatos

Don't think I'm forgetting any players. Oversoul and EPM can't be mafia, I'm not mafia, Empking's clear of being mafia, Thor's claim makes him not mafia, fatlikepig's Otolia/Ironhead interaction makes him not mafia. David's doubtful, Xeras doesn't look that bad, NS looks semi-bad, and redFF is my main suspect through reading scum ISOs.

[Thor665]

Guys, I know that tracker thing was pretty obvious, but does everyone have to keep mentioning it? We'll be getting PoE there soon enough as stands.

What's NS done beside be not a presence? Is this off his previous slot holder?
Why is David more likely than Emp - I've just got vague gut there but ::shrug::

[Oversoul]

Wait, Mastin, you aren't the tracker? O_o

[ObliviousDruidMuncher]

Update either tonight or tomorrow morning.

[Nobody Special]

I have actually been quite busy IRL the last few days; it's been a struggle to keep up with all my games. And, as I said before, I'm just floundering in this one. It's overwhelming, but I think I'm getting a little bit better of a handle on who's who and what's what.

While Xanatos is the current big wagon, I really think Empking looks worse. And my interactions with Empking over time have been less than pleasant. I don't think he's very pro-town this game.

I pretty much believe Thor's claim.

[ObliviousDruidMuncher]

I am very, very sorry for not doing a vote count and a prod check. I just got home from an all day cross country meet, and I'm going to a friend's house now. Tomorrow at the VERY latest.

[fatlikepig]

Proddodge

Also, didn't we say something earlier about redFF's reactions to being investigated didn't speak of someone who knew that OS was being roleblocked? He said things like, "Why did you investigate me" and later relied on OS's check as his defence, things I don't think scum would have done. His interactions with Otolia/Ironhead also don't seem to line up with scum.

[David Xanatos]

I'm still waiting on you lot coming at me.

[Thor665]

Oh shush you - you're still a fine lynch option.

Be proactive - who should we lynch? According to your vote it's you, so I'm willing to consider that more if you really wish, but...

[Thor665]

Also, didn't we say something earlier about redFF's reactions to being investigated didn't speak of someone who knew that OS was being roleblocked? He said things like, "Why did you investigate me" and later relied on OS's check as his defence, things I don't think scum would have done. His interactions with Otolia/Ironhead also don't seem to line up with scum.

I like this, let's call redFF obv. town - who does that leave us now that red, myself, and pig are obv. town, Overlord is obv. not mafia, and I'm vaguely against lynching Mastin?

[Thor665]

^^^
Though, actually, with SK hunting that's weaker - but SK hunting and with red tracked then tracker should be speaking if Red did jack all, otherwise red is also obv. not SK and should be off the list.

[fatlikepig]

1. Empking

2. Xeras

Probably not scum since Iron was pushing his lynch pretty hard.

3. mastin2

4. Nobody Special Vifam

5. Thor665 Lady Lambadelta BomberMan

6. David Xanatos

7. Oversoul

8. fatlikepig LTP Mafia

9. evilpacman18

10. redFF

I don't get why EPM is conftown.

[fatlikepig]

Although rereading, his vote on Iron makes him unlikely to be scum.

[Thor665]

That's off a Oversoul value call - he's at least unlikely SK though - because they were open planning JKs in that QT yes/no?
SK hunts suck as a lot of the clears we do have are relational clears to scum. Did Otolia ever claim any watch info?

[Thor665]

And pig - we have both mafia scum and SK scum currently - don't get confused about who is clear of what.

[mastin2]

I had forgotten about that.

Neighborhood wouldn't have two scum unless it was SK-scum. Not mafia, though.

And Empking is still cleared, no? Last I checked.

Point about Ironhead's valid, too.

In short, One of NS/David is mafia. And--heck--they both have a good chance of being an SK, too, so both are viable lynches.


Tl;dr, lynch David.

[Thor665]

Why NS/David?
Why is Emp cleared of SK because of Gunsmith investigation?

[mastin2]

1. Empking <--Gunsmith result.
2. Xeras <--Probably not scum since Iron was pushing his lynch pretty hard.\4. Nobody Special Vifam
5. Thor665 Lady Lambadelta BomberMan <--Voyear.
6. David Xanatos
7. Oversoul <--Gunsmith-Neighbor.
8. fatlikepig LTP Mafia <--Otolia interaction.
9. evilpacman18 <--Neighbor.
10. redFF <--Interactions.

See?

[Empking]

So there's no Tracker and you lot still aren't voting Thor? (its been yonks since we asked for a Tracker claim.)

[Thor665]

1. Empking <--Gunsmith result.
2. Xeras <--Probably not scum since Iron was pushing his lynch pretty hard.\4. Nobody Special Vifam
5. Thor665 Lady Lambadelta BomberMan <--Voyear.
6. David Xanatos
7. Oversoul <--Gunsmith-Neighbor.
8. fatlikepig LTP Mafia <--Otolia interaction.
9. evilpacman18 <--Neighbor.
10. redFF <--Interactions.

See?

That actually does nothing to answer the question I asked. If you're looking for an SK easily half of that doesn't even apply. The only clear reason I see to stop suspecting Emp is if you think one of two things;
1. SK is not investigation immune to Gunsmith.
2. Oversoul is major consideration for SK to the point anyone he 'clears' has to be clear.

Don't make me feel like I'm talking to a wall - I get really rope happy around walls.

@Emp - because actually you're the only one who really went for the Tracker claim, and even if we want that to be a lynch worthy situation for me it should only happen after a mass claim or an advancement of game way closer to lylo than it is now. I'm claimed power with verifiable info that I only really could have had if I was either legitimate PR or mafia. So I'm guaranteed not SK unless I'm Voyeur SK, and there's a pretty solid pile of evidence that there isn't even mafia left alive. Whassup?

[Empking]

and there's a pretty solid pile of evidence that there isn't even mafia left alive. Whassup?

You told us that there was a Mafioso left alive.

[Empking]

I

[Thor665]

So you're saying my 'mafia left alive' theory is more compelling than the question of what power stopped the last kill? Because that's what's killing my own 'mafia left alive' theory at the moment.
If that's true, and you believe I'm mafia, you better be at least willing to wait for me to announce who I want to lynch because I'd be the one person who knows exactly who the SK is since - unless you're claiming yet another RBer/protective role is in the game, it must be a NK immune SK that stopped my kill, yeah?