Cyclic Experimentation Set x02 - [Game Over]

[Junpei]

No, you moron. It means that you play in a specific Anti-Town herp a derp playstyle manner where you specificly go out of your way to emulate scummy play regardless of alignment. Your "read me some other way" is a clear indication of this.

It means your play is going to be scummy and bad regardless. Even if you are Town odds are you will not help out Town long Term.

No go sit and the corner and stop yapping like a Tea-cup Poodle. Some of us have scum to catch.

Come on MoI, you were in TV Mafia, you saw what Fourseen did, you should be saying this to him as well!

I mean, really look at his ISO, let me show you what I mean:

Alright,,


So Diddin I don't know where you were going in your first post nor do I care...

Warrirmode do you have any sort of postrestriction?

Crypto, your counter case against Diddin fairly weak, but the case on you is even weaker. hmm ponder.....

But looking at the plan from Magna....... It seems like the case be...... you are likely a good target at least not a good informational lynch for town.

unvote. Vote: Crypto

Allow me to summarize

>Didden I dont understand/care about your thought process
>[insert nonscumhunting question]
>Case on crypto is weaker than case on diden
>Magna's case implies crypto good information lynch
>vote crypto
>information lynch
>basically crypto talks a lot so lynch him

The consensus of the posts so far says magna knows what he is doing in this game, so I am going along with it.

>I'm sheeping Magna

hmmm..... Ponder.....

Crypto is a pretty active player and that is very helpful for the town early on to generate discussion and what not so I'd like to see him stick around.....

unvote

>crypto is active so keep crypto alive

But.. crypto being active is what made him a good information lynch ergo your entire basis of your last vote! So.. contradiction.

Also he has stated no real reads or given any real comments, he has backpedaled in the above post on the only opinion he had. It's time to get rid of this guy now. He is very scummy already and he is just going to annoy me with his awful posts and people going "VI TOO SCUMMY TO BE SCUM!". If we encourage this type of play by letting him live, then it will spread. He dies now.

I just didn't want an argument over TV mafia spilling out, I wanted to give Fourseen a chance because for the most part everyone deserves a second chance. But no, he is dying after his recent posts.

[Workdawg]

I feel like a huge slacker in here. Most of the players in here have a lot more experience than me and every time I see something suspicious, someone else has already brought it up.

A few reads so far.
Crypto is working his way back to town IMO. He' active and stirring things up. I'm a big fan of that generally.
MasterLudi is rubbing me the wrong way. Refusing to explain tells is annoying.
Stringer is mildly suspicious... but I'm not sure it's very much.

[Drunken Piper]

Working 11 hour days, makes for a tired man.
So posting once a day will have to be the plan.

Drunken Piper, what do you think of warrior's posting outside that initial vote?

He looks hesitant and posts with care.
Thinking he has much he doesn’t want to bare.

Not at the moment, I'm not sure of the warriormode wagon and don't want it to get out of hand this early in the day. Nothing worse than quicklynching day 1.

Sniff, Sniff, you havent quite got this down.
Snort, snort, you trying to look town?

Fourseen and warrior are both good wagons. Crypto isn't.

(and post 219)

QFT
from me



(guzzle)

[Kdub]

Fourseen wagon is consistent with his play in both TV and Toy Story and is full of jumpers. Makes him look town and crypto and WM look scummy.

Can you provide a link from a past game where FC does something similar? Because according to you in the exact same post...

It's the fact that he changed his mind right after someone said it was scummy that he unvoted warriormode that was bad, not changing his mind in general.

...you should find FC scummy as well because this is what he did, yet you don't apparently for meta reasons.

[Junpei]

I'll speed up your wait, Kdub.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =3&t=18300

ISO him, I believe he asks to be lynched many times.

[FourseenCircumstance]

ENOUGH............

After I am done this Engineering Homework I will post my thoughts....

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 1x6 ::

FourseenCircumstance (8) -

crypto, Junpei, Stringer Bell, Bunnylover, implosion, nopointinactingup, Kdub, wazzatron

warriormode (6)

Magister Ludi, springlullaby, Drunken Piper, projectmatt, Workdawg, Toogeloo

Stringer Bell (3) -

EtherealCookie, RedCoyote, MagnaofIllusion

crypto (2) -

PeregrineV, diddin

Toogeloo (1) -

warriormode

Workdawg (1) -

Sinestro

Junpei (1) -

SlySly

Not Voting (3) -

whispersilk, Furcolow, FourseenCircumstance

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is in (expired on 2011-11-08 23:07:02).

[crypto]

Yeah, diddin is a bad guy.

[EtherealCookie]

Lol @ Junpei just logic pwning Crypto.
That being said, Diddin’s vote did seem opportunistic; he contributed nothing new to that wagon that hadn’t already been said, and just jumped on. At the same time, I’m not liking the vibe I’m getting from crypto either. Both of their reasoning seems somewhat poor. Crypto’s vote has little backing to it, and he even admits he has no strong logic behind it. Gut feelings are bad indicators and show poor effort placed in.
Tl;dr; scum bussing
FourSeen seems to be VI. His reasoning is terrible. He is either scum or really dumb townie, anyways.
@ Stringer Bell
You’re not off the hook. Who else do you think is suspicious? You can’t have just gotten ONE PERSON from this entire thread. Nice job hopping onto that wagon gaining steam, by the way.
Also, what the hell is wrong with Diddin? Town read from Fourseen?
Also scumbuddies.

Unvote

Vote: FourseenCircumstance

[crypto]

Lol @ Junpei just logic pwning Crypto.

She told me to analytically force an intuitive read onto additional players.

[crypto]

doo dee doo

[projectmatt]

Can we get back on Warrior please? Or at least off of Unforseen until he comes back with other contribution? Thanks.

[Junpei]

Give me a good case on warrior, no one else can.

Links to posts too while explaining.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Can we get back on Warrior please? Or at least off of Unforseen until he comes back with other contribution? Thanks.

@MATT - Again since you apparently missed it last time - detail why Warrior is scum. You know, the same request you had to Magister.

In your next post.

I've bolded it so you can't possibly miss it.

[Magister Ludi]

Some people are bordering on ridiculous. There's any number of reasons to withhold reasoning. At the end of the day, who votes for whom and when is much more important than how or why. Smart people have good-sounding reasoning, less smart people or people who are good analysts but not great writers will seem to have worse ones. The amount of people who have gone on about specific people having minimal reasoning, while completely ignoring proceedings regarding the other wagons that have, is reaching critical mass. The amount of people voting with their asses instead of their heads seems to be following the same trajectory.

Warriormode should have gotten a raised eyebrow from anyone sharing a town win condition based on his first post alone. First off, he agrees with implosions plan, attempting to achieve two goals. He wants to appear like he's knowledgeable and is involved in town gamebreaking strategies, while in reality he's just sort of fluffing out an agreement. Notice how he doesn't comment on Magna's plan when Magna posts it, indicating that warrior had achieved his specific goal of 'agreeing with a towney looking strategy'. (It is only later on, that he comes in and agrees with both plans while trying then to add his own suggestion.) Agreeing with implosion that it 'should be very helpful' appears forced as well, as it appears he thought that was the right thing to say. In the same vein of forcing words, he them appears disinterested in his own later suggestion, saying scum will first pass to themselves and then passing to themselves will just make things easier, reading to me like he is actually scum postulating on what to do.

But you can't always examine someone in abstract and come to a full consensus of what to do. Warrior's initial vote is for crypto, when the crypto wagon was gaining a little steam. In fact, both wagons grew to about four or five together, before warrior's wagon pulled ahead. It was at this time that forseen came in and posted, and the entire world suddenly came down on him. It looks like the growing of the forseen wagon is in direct response to warrior's wagon growing larger, which indicates to me that the scum were concerned that warrior may have been lynched and wanted to pile on an easy mislynch, that being forseen, and force it through.

Crypto's wagon has fallen apart now as well, but not before crypto went onto forseen. I think the crypto-warrior connection cannot be overstated here now, and despite trying to joke it off, crypto still appears anti-town as well. His volume of posting is much higher than his actual content, and it appear to be a deliberate attempt to appear town by sheer volume of posts. Declaring yourself to be protown as he did doesn't make you town at all. It seems contrived

On Magna. Magna voting for stringer while not joining the warrior wagon sounded off a few alarm bells for me as well, though i'm not sure what to make of it. Stringer read townish to me in his first few posts, and a little worse recently, but after evaluation, certainly nothing to put a vote down on. Considering magna is opposed to stringer's voting for fourseen It would have made sense to join the opposing large warrior wagon, or comment about the state of the rest of the forseen wagon. He appears to be trying to kick start a little stringer wagon to both dodge the terribad forseen wagon and avoid talking too much about warrior.

That being said Though, I'm willing to shelve this suspicion of Magna for a bit. I looked over his plan several times, and even if it was coming from a scum win condition, I see no way his plan actively benefits scum, unless scum are guaranteed some sort of hidden ability in the beginning of the game town has no way of knowing about. And, Magna does have a habit of dying night one or two because he often comes across as very hard to lynch to the scum. So if you're town, hurry up and get nightkilled so I don't suspect you

Of course, there are other players who haven't even posted yet, or have minimal content, that more certain than not are hiding additional scum. I'd like to have a plan for those players, if there is a way to exploit the scum dying passing clause in this game, before heading into night.

[Magister Ludi]

That being said, Diddin’s vote did seem opportunistic; he contributed nothing new to that wagon that hadn’t already been said, and just jumped on. At the same time, I’m not liking the vibe I’m getting from crypto either. Both of their reasoning seems somewhat poor. Crypto’s vote has little backing to it, and he even admits he has no strong logic behind it. Gut feelings are bad indicators and show poor effort placed in.
Tl;dr; scum bussing
FourSeen seems to be VI. His reasoning is terrible. He is either scum or really dumb townie, anyways.

This post is weird backwards conjecturing, and I don't like it. Stating you think someone is scum, and thus the person the player (or players in this case), are voting are his scum buddies is a weak and flimsy way to vote. Do you actually believe forseen is scum, or just a dumb townie, like you postulate? If he is a dumb townie, I would expect you to be voting for one of the people you actually call scum. Dismissing someone as a 'vi', and an 'expendable lynch' is straight scum mindset, as it often results in easy lynches on town that put town in an inferior position.

[Magister Ludi]

Wow, I missed some of his post. Etheral followed not one, not two, but three (count them, diddin, stringer, and crypto) onto the forseen wagon while stating they are all scumbuddies bussing forseen. That is simply terrible logic.

[Junpei]

In response to this
First paragraph is ridiculous. Who votes who is more important than the reasoning and thought behind it? I see we have a fundamental disagreement...

So he is scummy for agreeing with Implosions' case? I don't see it as forced really, I mean, you are stretching things way out of proportion it would seem. The fact he didn't comment on MoI's plan isn't reason to vote him, which seems to be the nail in his coffin for you.

You saying that Fourseen was a planned counterwagon to Warrior is RIDICULOUS. That would mean that scum would have had to know that Fourseen was going to do that, in otherwords they planned. The only way they could have done this is if they i) have daytalk and ii) Fourseen is scum, in which case your argument makes no sense. No, it is just that fourseen is very scummy and we decided to vote him instead of someone else of whom no one on the wagon up to this point has been able to articulate their reasons for voting.

You're going to have to link MoI's posts when talking about that, because I simply cannot follow that without links.

MoI would have posted that plan regardless of his alignment, so don't factor that in.

pedit: scum don't bus Ludi? Or perhaps a better question is, scum don't vote other scum Ludi? Or perhaps a better question is, should I always make decisions and reads based on my other reads early in the game Ludi?

[Magister Ludi]

I just explained to you why Warrior is scum. Forseen has reached L-3 or something in about a day. Never have I ever seen a wagon on scum go that quickly. Can you explain why forseen being a counterwagon to warrior is ridiculous? When one of your scumbuddies is being lynched, scum is more than happy to add fuel to the fire of anyone else they think they can get lynched instead, and this one was served up on a silver platter of being a 'VI' to boot.

I'm not sure exactly what you are saying in most of that. Yes, who votes who is way more important that reasoning. Any good player can give you reams of information about voting anyone. I thought that same as you, initially, but time will change your opinion.

[Magister Ludi]

You're sort of naive as well. If we assume the same number of scum as last time, six, it makes no sense for three of the scum team to be bussing another of their buddies to death, as etheral claims is happening, when there is an equally good wagons on players who are no their buddies. And no one is really going to get town cred if this wagon on forseen actually flips scum, which I doubt will happen, so the benefits are further mitigated.

[Junpei]

You're sort of naive as well. I

f we assume the same number of scum as last tim

e, six, it makes no sense for three of the scum team to be bussing another of their buddies to death, as etheral claims is happening, when there is an equally good wagons on players who are no their buddies. And no one is really going to get town cred if this wagon on forseen actually flips scum, which I doubt will happen, so the benefits are further mitigated.

Really, we are going to assume the setup has the same distribution of alignment? No, we aren't.

Your reasoning for why Warrior is scum is awful, and Fourseen has reaching L-4, not L-3, and it is for being so absolutely scummy and useless in the past. Fourseen is just going to drag this game down; go read the ISO of the game I gave you.

How about this theory: Fourseen is scum, and so is warrior, and most of the initial votes of the wagon were town, and so scum started jumping on, rather to lose their useless pal than someone of more mental capacity.

I could come up with theories like yours all day. I once thought the same as you, that any old theory X is true because it vaguely describes the situation. but time will change your opinion.

[crypto]

His volume of posting is much higher than his actual content, and it appear to be a deliberate attempt to appear town by sheer volume of posts.

lmfao

oh god the players on this site

[crypto]

Almost every single post of mine makes a point. Joke posts – which the nauseatingly pretentious, socially bankrupt players who infest this site apparently can't recognize if I don't hang Las Vegas lights on them – are the exception.

[Bunnylover]

What pro-active thing have you done?
I see the "active", but I fail to see anything that would lead you to be town.

If you need me to hold your hand through this then it's not worth the effort.

Oh boy, I do so hope that I get a killing ability.

@Toog: BUT I LOVE YOU.

@ML: Sorry, but I disagree with you.
I agree with Junpei that your taking things out of proportion.
Fourseen wagon seems like a wagon on a person who back peddle, well not even back peddle, just completely failed.
MoI plan would come from him regardless of alignment, since it was his plan in the previous game. If he had not posted his plan, he would be 100% scum. Basically he was kinda forced to post his plan (not that the plan isn't good).

[crypto]

I hope so too because the sheer volume of stupidity in this game makes me feel like replacing out.