New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

[fatlikepig]

Mod, the L-x numbers are wrong. I'm at L-2, and everyone else should be at L-4.

It's already been changed. ~ODM

[evilpacman18]

Looks like we're pretty divided huh? Who should I sheep?

[mastin2]

mastin: Tell me briefly why I should trust you?

You asked this back when we were hunting mafia. To which you can tell by my ISO alone the answer. (I knew Pine/Foolish Fool was scum before it was obvious, and I pushed the Ironhead lynch hard.)

Now that it's a SK...

...Well, quite frankly, you can't. I suck at SK hunting; all my normal scumtells (except possibly Tone) simply don't work.



I just had a random thought.

We KNOW that Neighbors don't flip as neighbors, right?
And we KNOW the Neighbors have daytalk, correct?

Well. Look at the Night One kill. Estyn, a null-to-scum-read for most people, and not a threat at all.
Why was Estyn killed?

Is it possible we have a second neighborhood? One which had Estyn, a scum member, and the Serial Killer in it?


Also. I'm beginning to think the title of the game might have a vague meaning. "Mirror Mafia" had a meaning--mirrored scumteams, and pretty much mirrored roles. "Tricycle Mafia" was named after the "third wheel mason". Mafia On Werewolf Island is...kinda self-explanatory.

What if the name "OxyMoron" has to do with the setup? Something which makes no sense and seemingly contradicts itself?

[Thor665]

I'm certainly willing to believe the name has meaning to the setup but by the sheer dint of the name it's sort of built to frell with you in figuring it out.

Let's see we have;

Even Night Vig
Bodyguard
Jailkeeper
Jack of All Trades (cop/doc/watcher - I forget if I'm pegging this right but I think those were his claims)

vs.

Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Watcher

Wild Cards;

Gunsmith
Voyeur
Tracker

At least two kill flavors, both having to do with linguistic foibles.

I don't see any brilliant theme there - I mean cracking Mirror Mafia was easy as heck (even if no one listened to me about how derpy obvious it was) and Tricycle wasn't too rough either. But what have we here? Multiple track/watch tech...whoo-hoo, I see no connection to oxymorons there except maybe insomuch as there is a certain replication theme going on. Two roleblocking effects, meh. I *guess* the Even Vig is sort of the oddball - it's a bit odd insomuch as we don't appear to have an Odd night...anything.

From my own perspective I might go out on the limb for...odd night tracker? The thing is I'd want tracker to be SK for personal sanity's sake and his kills don't seem to follow through with that as much of a brilliance.

An Oxymoron is, by definition a figure of speech with a contradiction of terms, it can still make sense, it just sometimes can have hidden humor to the meaning or be intentionally disjointed for effect.
It's spelled oddly here insomuch as OxyMoron is incorrect, I'll tend to believe it's not a derp type by our dear mod and consequently there is probably some slight deeper meaning there (we all have bad skin and are morons is all I'm getting).

Does Oblivious often have the names of his games have relevance to them? If not, than this is basically meaningless, if so then I'm lost and...well, it's probably meaningless again because there's no clear pattern that suggests anything.
Also - what are your thoughts about me needling on that redFF placement on your list - it's a terrible placement, please justify it.

[Thor665]

Hurm, random possible thought - the Neighbors could be the oxymoron - town with scum with...SK? That would be contradictory things placed together - it could work without the SK in the mix, natch, but it would be thematic to some degree.

I still don't get where all the SK kills went in the first few days though, even besides that thought.

[mastin2]

Let's see.
Four neighbors.
Two PRs, one scum, one ?

Two blocking roles. (Roleblocker+Jailkeeper.)
Two (plus one partial) protection roles. (Jailkeeper+Bodyguard, plus partially via Watcher.)
Oddball-EvenNightVig.
Oddball-JOAT, with Watch/Cop/Doc, which is (respectively) a weak investigation/protection, strong investigation, and strong protection.
One proven investigation role, with a partial-investigation role. (Gunsmith+Watcher.)
It would've made sense for there to have been an Odd-night serial killer, but consecutive kills threw that out. (Given the number of claimed track/watch roles, maybe Odd-night Ninja?)
It also makes sense to have one additional investigation role, because that'd create a partial symmetry.

We have two claimed, from the same person. Voyear--weak(er) investigation--and tracker: weak investigation.
That'd create three investigation roles, with a fourth partial.


...Actually...


Four neighbors, with two power roles. Four and Two. With one scum in them. (And both power roles in there are the strongest town PRs in the game.)
Two protection roles. Two. With a partial third who was scum.
Two blocking roles. Two. With one scum.
Four claimed investigation roles, with three of them being weak to varying degrees. With one scum in them.
Plus two town oddballs, one adding an additional investigation, protection, and protestigation (protect-investigation).


...I don't get it. Each category seems to have one scum in it. Meaning, the tracker

should

be town, yet...we've got no tracker claim.



Hold on for a sec. I need to look at something. I've got a theory in my head. If I'm right, all of {Evil, Oversoul, Nobody Special, Thor} would be town. And if that were to be the case, then the scum would have to be Empking/redFF. Be back soon.

[mastin2]

Forgot fat as well. Fat's a suspect, too.


I'm going to be taking another look at things, but I think I've got an idea of what's going on.

[mastin2]

Claim: Voyeur

Night 1 - watched DX - he was jailkept
Night 2 - watched Oversoul - he was protected and roleblocked
Night 3 - watched redFF - he was tracked
Night 4 - watched Foolish Fool - he was nightkilled
Night 5 - watched Oversoul - no actions targeted him.

I'm not sure what to make of N2 for Oversoul. Jailkept shows up as being Jailkept, so it wasn't that he was JK'd N2. The protection therefore has to be BV, but no nightkill shows up, leaving to the possibility that the scum killed BV for whatever reason. (Note: investigate the possibility of a BV-Estyn-Scum-SK neighborhood which we didn't know about since they both got NK'd before the neighborhood we know of was outed.
If said scum were Foolish Fool, it is possible the SK killed them to prevent them from outing the neighborhood. And this would create a further layer of symmetry. One VT in each, one protective role in each, one blocking role in each, and one mafia in each. The only thing missing would be the investigation role...)

I don't remember what was said by Oversoul for the Roleblock, but from skimming Thor's ISO, it seems Oversoul confirmed his result.

redFF was tracked N3.

This was the day Otolia was lynched. NS was still Vifam, Thor was still LLD.
Hmm...

-- Thor: who is your biggest town read thus far?
-- Xeras: What are your thoughts about potentially being lynched for your inactivity?
-- Xeras: Why did you switch votes from Bomberman to a different player just because Bomberman was no longer in the game?
--Oversoul: Why are you being so stingy with your vote?
--Foolish Fool: If you had to lynch one player RIGHT NOW, who would it be?

I am confused. Why are both Oversoul AND mastin not on mastin's SK list?

In other words, why should I trust the two of you?

While Xanatos is the current big wagon, I really think Empking looks worse. And my interactions with Empking over time have been less than pleasant. I don't think he's very pro-town this game.

I pretty much believe Thor's claim.

I'm curious why you asked this of those two players, specifically.

Nobody Special, you're the tracker, aren't you? You don't trust me and Oversoul, we were the main two asking for the Tracker to claim, the tracker result Thor has matches with Vifam's suspects...

[mastin2]

Four neighbors.
Two PRs, one scum, one ?
Two blocking roles. ([Mafia] Roleblocker+Jailkeeper.)
Two (plus one partial) protection roles. (Jailkeeper+Bodyguard, plus partially via [Mafia] Watcher.)
Oddball-EvenNightVig.
Oddball-JOAT, with Watch/Cop/Doc, which is (respectively) a weak investigation/protection, strong investigation, and strong protection.
One proven investigation role, with a partial-investigation role. (Gunsmith+[Mafia] Watcher.)
It makes sense to have one additional investigation role, because that'd create a partial symmetry.

We have two claimed, from the same person. Voyear--weak(er) investigation--and tracker: weak investigation.
That'd create three investigation roles, with a fourth partial.

Four neighbors, two power roles. Four and Two. With one scum in them. (And both power roles in there are the strongest town PRs in the game.)
Two protection roles. Two. With a partial third who was scum.
Two blocking roles. Two. With one scum.
Four claimed investigation roles, with three of them being weak to varying degrees. With one scum in them.
Plus two town oddballs, one adding an additional investigation, protection, and protestigation (protect-investigation).

What I'm gathering from all of this.

1. Empking <--Not Mafia. Possible SK.
3. Nobody Special Vifam <--Tracker?
4. Thor665 Lady Lambadelta BomberMan <--Voyear; not mafia. SK looking less likely.
6. fatlikepig LTP Mafia <--Suspect number one.
8. redFF <--Suspect number two.



Yeah, NS. You might as well claim. If you don't trust me or Oversoul, then look at pretty much anyone else you would trust and if they want you to claim. It's becoming quite obvious.
Sorry for the PR-outing, but if I'm right, I think I just broke the game.

[fatlikepig]

If we're tryin to figure out the setup, should remaining PRs claim?

[Oversoul]

If we're tryin to figure out the setup, should remaining PRs claim?

Oh dear god if you are a PR in addition to the unclaimed Tracker. O_o

This right here looks like very town mastin. He gets into these habits of massive role speculation and somehow pulls something of worth out of it. What is your theory, Mastin?

[Nobody Special]

Yeah, NS. You might as well claim. If you don't trust me or Oversoul, then look at pretty much anyone else you would trust and if they want you to claim. It's becoming quite obvious.
Sorry for the PR-outing, but if I'm right, I think I just broke the game.

Well, sad to say, but the game isn't broken (yet).

I'm a Vanilla Townie.

Sorry if I've burst your bubble.

[Empking]

Well, sad to say, but the game isn't broken (yet).

Well it is since Thor is the last one left and he's caught and tied up.

[Oversoul]

Well, sad to say, but the game isn't broken (yet).

Well it is since Thor is the last one left and he's caught and tied up.

You're giving me more town vibes by becoming active. Empking, why don't you post like this all the time?

Is your only reason that you think Thor is scum because he has that tracker?

Since NS isn't the tracker. Who the fuck is? Fat?

[Empking]

Well, sad to say, but the game isn't broken (yet).

Well it is since Thor is the last one left and he's caught and tied up.

You're giving me more town vibes by becoming active. Empking, why don't you post like this all the time?

Is your only reason that you think Thor is scum because he has that tracker?

Its the only reason that matters. (if there isn't a Tracker then he's scum if there is then he's town.)

[redFF]

yeah we should mass claim

[Nobody Special]

Hi. Huge massive deadline with work tomorrow; I will check back late Tuesday or early Wednesday.

[Oversoul]

Mass claim time?

[fatlikepig]

Oh, OS, I'm not the Tracker. Mass claim sounds good, though.

[Oversoul]

The fuck >_>

[fatlikepig]

Claim: Even Night Town Commuter

No commuted first two nights (2, 4) to be open to Gunsmith investigations, commuted last night since its clear we have an SK on the loose.

[Oversoul]

I don't think Commuters are even Normal...

[Empking]

I don't think Commuters are even Normal...

Its not banned.

[mastin2]

Yeah. Considering my experience with the close cousin of communters, Hiders (the last legitimate hider I saw was in Mirror Mafia, if memory serves--every. single. claim. since. then. faked!), I want to lynch Fat on principle just alone.
And that he claimed even-night when we already had an even-night flip with no odd-night to counter it.
And that his role further imbalances the setup in favor of the town.
And that his role makes much more sense as a scumclaim.
And I think there's another point or two which I had in mind that I can't remember right now. Regardless,

Confirm VOTE: fatlikepig.

[redFF]

alright nobody hammer yet

VT