Cyclic Experimentation Set x02 - [Game Over]

[Furcolow]

"I'm a little more confidence that Fourseen will flip town."
into "oops if fourseen is scum ML isnt scum because his scumbuddy wouldn't do that" with implications ML is buddying town as scum just feels off

I would support a bunnylover wagon

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, I think nopoint is scum. His entire wall are lies. And I get the distinct feeling he wants to have really long clashing wall battle just to bog down everything.

Magna, I would hardly call 'active lurking' having the fourth most posts in the game. I think you yourself even pointed out a few pages ago that it would be ridiculous to call me 'lurking.'

[Furcolow]

I like ML's read on NPAU
I don't see why NPAU quoted Ghostlin's post on me... he didn't even respond to it, analyze it, or anything. His "wall" was mainly one liners.

I'm not parroting; I've already felt this
I was reserving my read as per the fact I asked NPAU a question about it already, as seen here:

1)

NPAU why did you quote the post that Ghostlin voted me in

2) MoI: thanks for the defense of my wagon not being viable
What has made it not viable?

I even bolded it for you guys.
Thank me later.

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 1x18 ::

Stringer Bell (6) -

MagnaofIllusion, PeregrineV, Drunken Piper, EtherealCookie, FourseenCircumstance, Furcolow

nopointinactingup (4) -

DrippingGoofball, Magister Ludi, Toogeloo, implosion

Junpei (3) -

SlySly, springlullaby, Ghostlin

FourseenCircumstance (2) -

Junpei, Sinestro

Magister Ludi (2) -

Bunnylover, nopointinactingup

Furcolow (1) -

Stringer Bell

chkflip (1) -

RedCoyote

warriormode (1)

projectmatt

Toogeloo (1) -

warriormode

RedCoyote (1) -

wazzatron

Not Voting (3) -

whispersilk, Kdub, chkflip

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is in (expired on 2011-11-08 23:07:02).

[Toogeloo]

Yeah, I think nopoint is scum. His entire wall are lies. And I get the distinct feeling he wants to have really long clashing wall battle just to bog down everything.

I read the response more as, "You guys haven't said anything that makes me scum, it's not fair I could possibly be lynched." Like we are right for all the wrong reasons lol.

[projectmatt]

At Magna,

I didn't specifically go out of the way to fence sit on Nopoint, I was saying that I found a small towntell from him that could possibly had been faked, therefore it was a weak town read, although, I read his recent wall as town.

Warriormode was a plausible lynch until he declared V\LA. Oh well.

Unvote

Magister,

would you mind shortly retorting NoPoint's case on you? You don't have to get caught inside a wall to wall argument, but since his "walls are all lies" if you could point out some contradictions or lies that you saw, it would be helpful.

At Chkflip,

I don't have much time at the moment but I can explain my town reads later if you so desire.

At Furco,

my list of towntells were in no specific order. I understand that you read Crypto based off of some kind of meta, but would you mind slightly explaining why I'm so wrong?

Stringer,

Furco will very likely not be lynched today, with the recent votecount and the deadline being in four days. Are you okay with a NoPoint lynch, and also, Magna has been the one that's primarily attacking you, do you believe that Magna is scum picking on an easy ML target or simply a mistaken town?

[projectmatt]

Vote: Stringer Bell

for the moment.

[Kdub]

Wait – you want to ‘go reread’ Stringer? In your earlier response you said he was your third scum-read behind Fourseen and diddin. Why would you need to re-read him if that was the truth?

My main reason for suspecting him was the quicklynch thing early on. Nothing else about him jumped out at me over the course of the day. I reread him to see if there was more to the case on him than that.

Now that I have looked at him again, that was really the main thing you and others have focused on in building the case on him. His Furc vote sucks, but it appears to be as much SB being unfamiliar with Furc's meta than anything. I'm not too thrilled about the quality of the votes on his wagon either (FC AND Furc?). Right now, SB is looking very much like a compromise lynch. The case on him isn't the most damning, but it's the most persuasive of all the players who look like a viable lynch today. I'm not entirely comfortable with it.

Along those lines, there is something important that I want to announce today. I've been debating about when the right time is. I wanted to wait until several wagons have formed and people have generally settled on a couple lynch candidates and I don't think I should wait too much longer considering the deadline. Before I do, I want to see where people stand with regard to the top suspects.

Everyone:
If you are not already voting for one of them, who among the top 3 suspects (Stringer Bell, nopoint, Junpei) would you most want to lynch today?

I'd begrudgingly choose SB. Once enough people have responded so that I have a reasonable idea of the general sentiment today, I will explain my reason for asking.

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: NoPointActingUp

[MagnaofIllusion]

That's from my very first post of this game. #391.

Funny you put it this way. Your ‘list’ that you are referencing here is basically 200 posts ago (aka 8 Pages). that's a full third of the game. They've had minimal input since then so wht isn't Sinsetro not worth ‘bringing attention to” in the manner you did Furc? Because it doesn’t appear you’ve ever vote for Sinestro.

You don't see the possible scum potential of refusing to read the thread (in other words, actively lurking)? That's what Furc threatens to do in a fit of "righteous indigination" because we're not voting DGB for scum. You do not see possible scum motivation in 'I absolutely refuse to be useful until DGB is lynched'? Come on. You're better than that.

Active lurking isn’t ‘refusing to read the thread’. That’s a bad statement you’ve made there.

Do you seriously think he wasn’t actually going to read the thread? I ask because that statement if the verbal equivalent of a kid going "I'm holding my breath until I get my way".

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Yeah, I think nopoint is scum. His entire wall are lies. And I get the distinct feeling he wants to have really long clashing wall battle just to bog down everything.

Magna, I would hardly call 'active lurking' having the fourth most posts in the game. I think you yourself even pointed out a few pages ago that it would be ridiculous to call me 'lurking.'

1. If you can’t actually take the smallest effort to point out exactly what about his wall makes every part of it a lie I can’t really take your stance all that seriously.

2. Of course you aren’t active lurking. I’m talking about the manner in which you are ‘pushing’ your scum reads as it were. You basically make little, non-content post comments like “Let’s get this NoPoint wagon going” as opposed to actually presenting anything that is close to a case. Meanwhile you spared no Word volume expense in defending Fourseen. I don’t like the disconnect there.

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Warriormode was a plausible lynch until he declared V\LA. Oh well.

No, he wasn’t. He might have been a viable candidate in your mind but he had two votes. That’s not a viable wagon this late.

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Now that I have looked at him again, that was really the main thing you and others have focused on in building the case on him.

That’s not really accurate. I summarized the whole case on him in post 490.

[PeregrineV]

Everyone:
If you are not already voting for one of them, who among the top 3 suspects (Stringer Bell, nopoint, Junpei) would you most want to lynch today?

For today, right now:
Stringer Bell first.
nopoint next
Junpei last

[Furcolow]

MoI, we have differing opinions as per what constitutes a wall of text
to me, kdub's was MUCH MORE a wall of text than NPAU's

[wazzatron]

Oh look, Wazzatron is doing the exact same thing at

568

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Why these people: Drunken Piper, Wazzatron

I'd like to understand the Drunken Piper thing i don't see it as scum so much as entertaining, and I have no clue why your voting me after this post

This response to Red indicates he has no problem with Red suspecting Stringer, Junpei, Toogello, Fourseen or diddin. Thus all should be at least some degree of scummy in Wazz’s mind.

Yet he places an unproductive Red vote when Stringer or Junpei need a serious push to get a lynch with deadline approaching.

no this is not why that is taking what i said out of the thought I HAVE A TOWN READ ON DRUNKEN PIPER, and i am allowed to scum hunt and i will be on a liable wagon soon i believe you could all do some more scumhunting yourselves though.

Everyone:
If you are not already voting for one of them, who among the top 3 suspects (Stringer Bell, nopoint, Junpei) would you most want to lynch today?

Stringer i think is slightly VI
Junpei has been doing what i think a town would
nopoint has been rubbing me the wrong way for most of the game
so when i do place my vote it'll probably go on nopoint.

[Junpei]

MoI, I'm not backing away from my wagon yet, there's no reason to, the only reason this wagon has lost steam is because Fourseen has faded into the background. He has yet to make a good post, he is scum.

Yes, there is plenty of reason to.

1. Deadline is in approximately 4 days. You keeping your vote attached to a dead wagon is at best unproductive.
2. Yes, there is good reason why the wagon died. Continuing to say otherwise is scummy.
3. Not making what you call ‘good’ posts is not a scum-tell. Furc hasn’t made a good post all game. Is he scum?

1) I don't view it as dead just yet, but I will likely be switching to Stinger, many people would vote for FC I"m sure, as he is useless and scummy
2) No it's not scummy, and if you think it is, then call me 'scumtastic', there is no reason for FC's wagon dying other than other people showing up as scummy and FC fading into the background. That's not a good reason.
3) Furc is scum, yes. I believe there's a post around here where I"ve ISO'd him and said he's been mostly useless and that he's a great lynch. But FC is more blatant and unlike Furc, he flatly contradicted himself.

MoI, you are looking for scum intent, and that is fundamentally good on some levels, but not all. You have to decide on an important fact: Do scum ever show town intent? That is to say, day 1, would scum have town intent? Day 2? Day 3? Because I think not, and I think that FC doesn't have town intent, so we can then say that he is likely scum today. Some days people seem to have town intent, but later in the game you realize what they've really been doing this whole time and solve the puzzle.

Bunnylover and whisper are kind of acting like what experiences I have with them, which in and of itself is not enough to earn my vote. I'm making frowny faces at their lurking, but I don't see you supporting a Bunny or Whisper lynch either.

Show me games where Whisper has lurked hard please.

Yeah, I think nopoint is scum. His entire wall are lies. And I get the distinct feeling he wants to have really long clashing wall battle just to bog down everything.

All lies? I read it and found his logic sound, which left you seeming suspicious.

I'm not parroting; I've already felt this

Why do you feel the need to preemptively defend your post?

MoI, make a comprehensive case on Stinger, the reason is to show how and why you are committed to this wagon as much as you are.

[Ghostlin]

Junpei: Game in question is on going.

[whispersilk]

I always lurk day 1. Sorry.

I'm not ignoring the game, I'm just reading and taking it all in.

[chkflip]

OKAY. MY NEXT NEXT POST WILL HAVE WHAT I PROMISED. T_T

MODSKEE:

I'll be V/LA until Sunday-ish. I'll probably come back before then, but better safe than sorry.

[Bunnylover]

Unvote
Vote: Stinger

I agree more with Stinger then with Nopoint as scum.

[RedCoyote]

Also, I'm not taking a strong stance on the stringer bell wagon.

You say that like you're proud of it. Why?

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Why these people: Drunken Piper, Wazzatron

Not a fan of the sonnet style posting, although, on a closer readthrough, it's not as bad as I initially thought. Is it just me or does it seem like he made a lot more posts than he has?

I'll give you that wazza, I'll retract that. I thought his vote was still on warrior, which kind of put me off to him. I didn't realize he had switched to SB.

As for you, I don't like your brazen defense of nopoint. Just because you responded well doesn't mean I automatically think you're town. I think you'd make a good lynch.

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So you list these as good lynches. We are close to deadline. You decide to bypass either top wagon (Stringer, Junpei) you listed as a good lynch and vote for the players with only 1 vote at that stage?

At that point, I counted 3 other people willing to join the diddin wagon (including me and Kdub already voting). If you have a different count, please say so.

That being said, I take no pleasure from sitting on a wagon all by my lonesome. I do not have the captial (nor the will really, diddin just pinged my gut more than the others on the list) to get this moving either.

In any case, I have no problem with any of the major vote getters here aside from nopoint.

Unvote

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vote: Stringer Bell

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I always lurk day 1. Sorry.

I'm not ignoring the game, I'm just reading and taking it all in.

How about casting a vote? If you can't be bothered to play, at least get on the record.

[Furcolow]

Junpei, you made your "case" on me

after

I called you scum
You can act like that wasn't the reason

[Junpei]

Oh, good point... quick, let me call everyone scum real quick, then if anyone makes a case on me, it is just OMGUS!

That was sarcasm, in case you try to twist that.

[Furcolow]

You were one of three
is that not feasible?

[Furcolow]

Sure, I have expanded since then, and taken some away, but it was the fucking timing of it brah

you came at me right after i fosed you

[SlySly]

ML said that I “amuse”.
friend building tactic that scum use?

I have seen him do it times 2 or 3.
but there are much summier people here, you agree?

With the 2 or 3 times, are you referring to only this game? If you're referencing other games, was he scum when he did this?

As for Jun, he appears to like to stir
looking for scum, I infer.

He looks town to me at this point.
But this is day one, up in this joint.

Everytime I have attempted moving Jun to my town list, he has done something else to keep me suspicious. His recent supersized post to MoI is the most recent example of such an event.

[Junpei]

Wait; you think I'm worried about YOU calling me scum? Haha.

Anyway, I've hardly attacked you at all, and I haven't really made a case on you either, you've just been doing almost nothing productive.