Hello all.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: MoS
I believe that's the shorter story.
@CES
- So, you suspect me because . . . ? I'm also curious to what degree Oversoul thinks I'm likely scum (and therefore made the comment about me jumping to conclusions and asking already-asked questions) vs. any ship in a storm. I mean, if you're the going lynch and you're Town barring other stuff any other wagon is
better
, but knowing relative levels of suspicion here might be nice.
↑ Mastermind of Sin wrote:This is never a dilemma.
Vote: Benmage
Someone who you believe to definitely be town should NEVER be considered as acceptable collateral damage. There are ALWAYS better alternatives. Just because there isn't another wagon doesn't mean that person has to be lynched. That's a defeatist attitude, and I'm even more worried about the fact that your vote and your words don't match each other. It's like you want people to lock into the Oversoul lynch (by saying there isn't a suitable counterlynch and not offering up any alternatives yourself), but then when it goes through you'll get town cred for speaking against it.
See, this - this is not only a misrepresentation of Benmage's point, but it's a vote based on a displayed attitude that
even if it were being displayed
would be scummy for . . . the most tenuous of possible reasons. MOREOVER - the main problem here is that MoS speaks against Benmage's stance without explicitly discussing at any point then or previously Oversoul's actual scumminess in his opinion - such that MoS' entire post, which calls out Benmage
as scum
for calling Oversoul Town but not yet directly saying that his lynch shouldn't happen under any circumstances, works on the assumption that Oversoul is Town. And the degree to which MoS explicitly takes a stance against that wagon? He . . . votes Benmage, who has no other votes on him (not checking perfectly right now, but no serious votes at least I'm pretty sure) and is calling Oversoul Town and calling for him to not be lynched yet.
Basically, MoS latches onto something that might be spun into some sort of dissonance on Ben's part (which is clearly
isn't
) and takes advantage of that not to address the core issue not only of Benmage's point but of most of the game at that point.
Myself regarding Oversoul - have been wrong before; certainly willing to wait if Benmage has strong evidence. Such was my initial thought. Will be revisited . . . at the end of this post, probably.
↑ Mastermind of Sin wrote:Soooooo basically you're pleading insanity/stupidity to avoid being lynched?
Make bullying assertion of case's strength (i.e. Ben will be lynched based on that? lolno) to what purpose, pray?
↑ Mastermind of Sin wrote:I don't have one. I don't think I've read a single post of his yet.
MONEY IN THE BANK. RIGHT THERE. And yes your entire case on Benmage depends on Oversoul-Town, so. Scum please.
↑ Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I liked this thread more when Zor was sporting the Nibbler.
Plum still scum #1. Working on #2.
So you did a lot since your previous post, which as I recall was after my last post to that point. 'Tis a pity you're on Ben's Townlist, if by a hair.
↑ greenknight wrote:The reason I haven't voted for him is that if he is scum, associating himself with a non-town colour seems a very weird thing to do since suspicion would fall on him the moment someone else flipped blue, and I've been going around in circles on this one for a few minutes now trying to get some clues from his other posts. My best guess at the moment in that his alignment colour is probably indeed blue, but it could be a pro-town or neutral alignment.
Convoluted WTH reason not to vote Oversoul. WIFOM-based reason at best? At first thought scumpoints, but now thinking about it also confused by this interpretation.
↑ Benmage wrote:I'll reread Oversoul. BUT! The ultimate town-tell. EARLY VT CLAIM. Early VT claims are in my book a town tell. Moreover a D1 VT claim ingeneral screams of town. Scum could fake some sort of PR to extend themselves atleast a day! Especially if we all adhere to the likelihood of scumdaytalk (which with the littlefinger role I STRONGLY assume is the case).
Hrm. Not sure it's the ultimate Towntell, but it's a fair enough point. And I'm damned susceptible to confirmation bias and I know it; now I'll be rereading Oversoul with different story in mind and filling in the blanks again like Swiss cheese.
hascow wrote:While I understand a bit of character acting, this seems only to be there to look loyal to the Crown. Why add that after the vote?
Flavor text from my Role PM probably was echoing around my head and the stuff about Loras' feelings about being in the Kingsguard were in there and went on basically to that effect. I was taking to opportunity to really have at it with the roleplaying given that it's obviously too time-consuming to do constantly, not to mention obfuscating once the game grows more complicated than it is at ~5 pages. I don't really know that this line of thought in scumhunting generally has much validity but that may be a theory disagreement between the two of us. Hm.
hascow wrote:I also noticed something interesting about Ser Swyft(Oversoul) in those pages. Namely, that he's obsessed with the color blue. I find it very difficult to believe that someone would get to that level of obsessed and not double or even triple-check to make sure that's what he meant.
Hrm, no, no. I think we're all something off the mark. It looks like Oversoul thinks his
character
is associated with the color blue. Doesn't look directly like alignment-related. He actually asks around whether his character wears or is associated with the color blue (Harys Swift . . . not that I can recall, he isn't).
Which prompts to interesting question - assuming Oversoul scum, would he be likely to turn to the Town asking about that vs. asking his scumbuddies? Even assuming no pre-game or daytalk?
