Open 337: Twin Trap (Game Over)

Thomas · Post Post #325 (ISO) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:57 pm

Welcome HermanoBro!

↑ Isa wrote:Neil had great defenses to your attacks that you, DW and Thomas mainly ignored.

AtE was good defense? His defense was fine on D1 in the bv argument but then it became AtE and then he would attack anybody who attacked him. His 'defense' was not good enough for me to retract my vote from him and I wouldn't trust his reads at all had I had a town read on him because it looked like they were 100% based on OMGUS.

Isa · Post Post #326 (ISO) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:28 pm

I agree that his defense became more tilted towards AtE at one point, but that was probably because of his frustration having to explain everything more than twice to an audience who didn't listen and just said "OMGUS!". Is it too much to ask for if you want to look beyond that?

Fakinha · Post Post #327 (ISO) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:48 pm

Show me some of his good defense on day 2.
I'll ISO Isa, don't know why didn't do it before. I think I said I'd but I forgot... whatever.

And wellcome to the game, bro.

Isa · Post Post #328 (ISO) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:54 pm

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3505826
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3528206
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3543695
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3544455

There.

Fakinha · Post Post #329 (ISO) » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:58 am

I don't consider these good defense. It's all either omgus or misleading posts. (Not that this kind of post can say much..)

Isa · Post Post #330 (ISO) » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:01 am

↑ Isa wrote:I agree that his defense became more tilted towards AtE at one point, but that was probably because of his frustration having to explain everything more than twice to an audience who didn't listen and just said "OMGUS!". Is it too much to ask for if you want to look beyond that?

Here we go again.
At least, define what OMGUS means for you.

Dive deeper into your thoughts this time around and actually state WHY each case is misleading and not true. Remember that you're looking at the posts of a confirmed town, so twisting words will only make you look worse.

HermanoBro · Post Post #331 (ISO) » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:14 pm

Finished reading. This is challenging as a replacement, idk about you guys.

I agree that Isa's disinterest in Neil seems suspicious, but saying 'I thought he was scum so why didn't you mislynch him too?' isn't looking great either.

It's easy for me to say he didn't look that suspicious because I knew he was town, but I do think you guys put a lot of stock in his tone and response considering he claimed to be both frustrated and disinterested.

Isa · Post Post #332 (ISO) » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:29 pm

Welcome to the game, HermanoBro.

I am interested in hearing what parts of the Neil case you found valid.

HermanoBro · Post Post #333 (ISO) » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:29 pm

I am interested in hearing what parts of the Neil case you found valid.

I don't remember any off the top of my head that I found "valid". But I partly understood why people ended up voting him if only because he seemed a bit abrasive/condescending at times.

It's more that I can't relate to your willingness to say he likely wasn't scum; what about his play made you think that?

Isa · Post Post #334 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:01 am

If you can't find a case on him other than his way of speaking, well let me just tell you that I had a hard time as well.

During day 1, you can take a look at #58. That's a solid town post that gave me a strong town read on him - along with his other posts, but that post stood out. This stayed with me until the end of the day - obviously I wouldn't vote him there. This also carried on through day 2 although its importance became less important. During day 2, Neil made solid cases and I didn't see any reason to retract my previous read - the hammer wasn't bad, the only thing I had a slight issue with was that he didn't follow up upon the questions he asked during the end of day 1, along with AtE usage that annoyed me, but those are very minor points.

What do you think of Fakinha's play during day 2?

DeltaWave · Post Post #335 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:21 am

I thought Neil seemed skittish. The moment that some suspicion got shoveled his way, he blew up and reacted like the world was going to end if people started voting for him. I see that behavior more in scum than town, although some town can be very reactive apparently.

Fakinha · Post Post #336 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:14 am

It's not because he was confirmed town that his posts are the truth. But I'll re-read his case tomorrow. People are coming here to Shin Megami Tensei, lol.

DeltaWave · Post Post #337 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:44 am

↑ Fakinha wrote:People are coming here to Shin Megami Tensei, lol.

wut

Isa · Post Post #338 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:12 pm

↑ Fakinha wrote:It's not because he was confirmed town that his posts are the truth.

SO WHAT CHANGED?

This post certainly doesn't hit me well.

Thomas · Post Post #339 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:28 pm

↑ Fakinha wrote:It's not because he was confirmed town that his posts are the truth.

If his posts are the truth then doesn't that make you scum because he suspected you?

HermanoBro: Not much of a catch up post. Can you post your reads on some other players? Your predecessor hasn't posted any reads for a long time.

DeltaWave · Post Post #340 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:57 am

I get the distinct impression that Fakinha is trying to score some townpoints by cozying up to a dead townie.

Fakinha · Post Post #341 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:55 am

↑ DeltaWave wrote:
↑ Fakinha wrote:People are coming here to Shin Megami Tensei, lol.

wut

I'm with PS2, so a friend of mine came and we played Digital Devil Saga and some P3FES.

↑ DeltaWave wrote:I get the distinct impression that Fakinha is trying to score some townpoints by cozying up to a dead townie.

I never try to get towncred, lol. My purpose is to get the scums, not to be townie. I guess I'm failing both right now...

Isa wrote:
↑ Fakinha wrote:It's not because he was confirmed town that his posts are the truth.

SO WHAT CHANGED?

This post certainly doesn't hit me well.

I didn't get the "what changed?" question. It's just as I said, not because neil was town that he was on the right track. At least not about me.
I said I'd read neil's posts again today and I will.

HermanoBro · Post Post #342 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:18 pm

Will read back some and post within the next 24 hours

Fakinha · Post Post #343 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:24 pm

UNVOTE: Isa
You're still on the top of my suspection list, but neil did good till delta apeared. Then he went offtrack.

I will read later other people's posts... day 2 was an utter fail, lol.

And I think the watcher should claim. Not like he's going to get anyone anyway, ok you're going to day next night (assuming we lynch correctly), but at least it's one less on the suspect list.

Isa · Post Post #344 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:55 pm

Why unvote your top suspicion in LyLo? Looking for alternatives...?

I disagree - the watcher should not claim unless threatened by a lynch. While it is true that he will become confirmed town, that also means that he will die tonight if we get a successful lynch in. The only thing it does is limiting the lynch pool for today by 1 - but despite you unvoting, this is in my eyes still a 1v1 between you and me. Scum did not quickhammer either of us, so there's two options in my opinion:

1. One of us is scum
2. HermanoBro is scum along with DeltaWave/Thomas - this meant that while scum technically COULD have quickhammered, they didn't because HermanoBro only recently got here and hasn't been able to make plans with his partner.
However, I will not unvote you, meaning that I WILL allow for the very slight possibility of HermanoBro being scum with DeltaWave/Thomas. We will see quickly if they're scum or not...but I do not believe so. You and DeltaWave are my top suspects, and I see it as very likely that you're the scum team - however, I think that you have a good chance of being scum with both Thomas and HermanoBro, because there's nothing in your ISO that clearly states otherwise. Therefore, you're still a prime subject of being scum in my eyes, and I will keep my vote on you. And because of that, the watcher should NOT claim.
(I may or may not be the watcher - my previous statement was made as general as possible, making it sound like I claimed not-watcher, but I have NOT claimed yet.)

"What changed" refers to the fact that you yesterday hardly thought Neil's posts were the truth but now seem to do so. Why change your opinion?

DeltaWave · Post Post #345 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:52 am

I still think Fakhina is scum. The lynch shopping is a bit sus.

Isa · Post Post #346 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:37 am

DeltaWave, what stops you from voting?

DeltaWave · Post Post #347 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:20 am

↑ Isa wrote:DeltaWave, what stops you from voting?

There's plenty of time for me to think about it, the deadline isn't for two weeks or something. I want to be dead sure of my vote because we're getting down to the wire.

Isa · Post Post #348 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:07 am

Then why am I doing your job by doing all the scumhunting? Your ISO as of lately is just coasting along - "Yeah Fakinha is still looking scummy" every now and then, but nothing that forces a reaction from ANYONE.

DeltaWave · Post Post #349 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:27 am

↑ Isa wrote:Then why am I doing your job by doing all the scumhunting? Your ISO as of lately is just coasting along - "Yeah Fakinha is still looking scummy" every now and then, but nothing that forces a reaction from ANYONE.

I'm going to do a re-read from page 1 when I get the time for it.