Cyclic Experimentation Set x02 - [Game Over]

[PeregrineV]

:: VoteCount 1x25 ::

Furcolow (3) -

Ghostlin, Toogeloo, Junpei

Ghostlin (2) -

MagnaofIllusion, Magister Ludi

RedCoyote (1) -

Kdub

FourseenCircumstance (1) -

EtherealCookie

Not Voting (18) -

implosion, RedCoyote, Ghostlin, springlullaby, warriormode, whispersilk, Furcolow, chkflip, SlySly, DrippingGoofball, Sinestro, PeregrineV, Stringer Bell, Drunken Piper, projectmatt, FourseenCircumstance, Bunnylover, wazzatron

With 24 Alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is in (expired on 2011-11-11 14:12:31).

Vote: Ghostlin

This over Furco, much preferably.

vote: ghostlin

i endorse MoI's case

My vote wasn't counted?

VOTE: Furcolow

4 posts.
101 words.
0% pro-town contribution.
Admitted lurker.
Convenient V\LA to extend just past the deadline.

VOTE: whispersilk is who we should lynch.

VOTE: Ghostlin
I just read some of Magna's stuff on him. Good stuff.

First off slysly remarking on another lurker classic.

hmm between furclow and his premature claim and the case that MoI presented on ghostlin I am leaning towards the case on ghostlin just because furclow's ability is helpful for the town at this point.

vote:ghastlin

i'm sorry but kdub that was a terrible shot did you not see the vote count just before hand that was your decision and not anyone else.

But Ghostlin seems like he's the scum of the day that i can see getting lynched and to be honest i want to see what holds in this role of kdubs.

Vote Ghostlin

Still catching up (been busy with uni work, sorry) but from what I'm seeing my vote was in the right place before the shot. Fourseen can't seem to come up with a solid unique comment to save his life. That compounded with the fact that he was so incessantly on Kdub to not forget to use his day-kill is extremely telling to me.

VOTE: Fourseen Circumstance

I'll probably end up consolidating my catch-up posts for clarity and keep some of the other less important stuff in my own personal notes for future reference instead of posting them all in incoherent blurbs like I did in the previous catch-up.

The run-up of Ghostlin to 7 and furc to 4 in such a short time is troublesome. I am capturing it here for prosperity.

As for the Ghostlin vote, he's getting voted by many of my town reads, but that doesn't make him scum. Most of my scum read on him comes from Workdawg, so I won't be voting for him right now. And yes, I've read MoI's case on him, but rest assured MoI can make a scum case on anyone, so I actually read and evaluate the case and the responses. Since I weigh different aspects differently, I can't just jump on it. I will to avoid a no-lynch, but there are others that deserve a closer look.

Furc's claim doesn't make sense to me, really. He has a power that gives an unknown power to someone in the future? Or something. Whatever the claim, Furc is sort of a lynch magnet, which is unfortunate, and not a trap I want to fall into.

My next step will be to look at SlySly and his whispersilk argument. I very often don't agree with the main wagons on day1, and if he found an acceptable alternative and his own play isn't suspicious, I may join him.

Chkflip, you seem to be stuck a few pages ago voting for Fourseen. If you could present a comprehensive case on him I might look at it, but not at this point.

[Ghostlin]

On the Kdub shot: I wouldn't say it was horrible, just not the optimal shot he could of have taken. There were better targets with better unanswered questions if you specifically wanted to avoid SB(Fourseen, myself, Furc, Junpei) and while the shot wasn't directly scummy (I wouldn't have used it on MoI or DGB without reasoning), it was the kind of null shot that could come either from town coming from their gut or scum wanting to hit an innocent. I still have questions about WHEN the shot was taken, but the how is murky still. #896, first paragraph is a load of wifomic waffle which I don't get: you're talking about scum manipulating public opinion away from themselves, but really if a player posts 'FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T SHOOT ME', I would shoot them.

Either you're following the court of public opinion, or you're not with the shot. I don't think you did the first with that, Kdub.

On MoI and my wagon: Honestly? I think MoI's town. The man just pisses me off. I don't think he would of wasted the real estate going back and forth with me as he did.

There is definetly scumsheep on my wagon, including Furc. No one except MoI has commented really on my defense or against the reasoning of any defense I posted and it's really really easy to headnod when someone else has done the work for you. I'd also look at Ludi; he's also spending post space explaining on why my wagon is good rather than WHY he's on my wagon.

Also #895 makes no sense. If you leave it open to the court of public opinion, the votecount is revelant.

I'll save you all some time: it doesn't matter much if you lynch the slot beyond a mislynch; I drew no power when I replaced in, and I wasn't going to cycle it anyhow.

[Ghostlin]

EBWOP: Four's post is also scummy as hell considering Furc doesn't know what Furc does.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'll save you all some time: it doesn't matter much if you lynch the slot beyond a mislynch;

I drew no power when I replaced in, and I wasn't going to cycle it anyhow.

More to say later but I just wanted to highlight the following -

WTF is the bolded? You'd rather send a power to the Void than use the Cycling plan (which is the heart of the game, BTW) to help the Town? That's as purely Anti-Town as anything you've accused Furc or any other VI of saying.

[Ghostlin]

I'll save you all some time: it doesn't matter much if you lynch the slot beyond a mislynch;

I drew no power when I replaced in, and I wasn't going to cycle it anyhow.

More to say later but I just wanted to highlight the following -

WTF is the bolded? You'd rather send a power to the Void than use the Cycling plan (which is the heart of the game, BTW) to help the Town? That's as purely Anti-Town as anything you've accused Furc or any other VI of saying.

No, moron. I'm saying I got the VT power as worded in the first post. Cycling something that does nothing when there are powers we can perserve still means it does nothing.

Did you acutally NOT read this post before you decided to jump in and misrep?

[Ghostlin]

EBWOP: Here. Go to the first post. Read the Void description. That's my ability.

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 1x26 ::

Ghostlin (7) -

MagnaofIllusion, Magister Ludi, projectmatt, Furcolow, implosion, FourseenCircumstance, wazzatron

Furcolow (4) -

Ghostlin, Toogeloo, Junpei, DrippingGoofball

FourseenCircumstance (2) -

EtherealCookie, chkflip

RedCoyote (1) -

Kdub

whispersilk (1) -

SlySly

Not Voting (9) -

RedCoyote, springlullaby, warriormode, whispersilk, Sinestro, PeregrineV, Stringer Bell, Drunken Piper, Bunnylover

With 24 Alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is in (expired on 2011-11-11 14:12:31).

[MagnaofIllusion]

No, moron. I'm saying I got the VT power as worded in the first post. Cycling something that does nothing when there are powers we can perserve still means it does nothing.

Did you acutally NOT read this post before you decided to jump in and misrep?

No, you moron the 'Void' isn't an actual power. It just shows you don't have one. VTs do not 'cycle' their lack of power.

[Ghostlin]

No, moron. I'm saying I got the VT power as worded in the first post. Cycling something that does nothing when there are powers we can perserve still means it does nothing.

Did you acutally NOT read this post before you decided to jump in and misrep?

No, you moron the 'Void' isn't an actual power. It just shows you don't have one. VTs do not 'cycle' their lack of power.

OK. Well, I've got no power. How the PM is worded is kind of confusing. So, like I said, you'd be getting rid of someone who doesn't have a power Town will need later. IF you MUST mislynch someone, then my point still stands.

[Ghostlin]

EBWOP: Also, I find it perpetually interesting instead of going 'what did you mean by this?' and assuming that I'm might've been confused by the role PM you went 'lol, scummy!'

[DrippingGoofball]

Ghostlin isn't scum.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ghostlin isn't scum.

If the sentiment isn't to lynch Ghostlin I'll also lynch DGB in a heatbeat.

[Sinestro]

I actually can see the ghostlin suspicion, it does make sense to me; although I have a history of misreading ghostlin pretty badly.. going to talk to andy before I do anything drastic

[chkflip]

You act like you're hammering.

FoS

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I'll come up with a Fourseen case after I ISO the smaller wagons (like I think I said I was going to do) and see if my vote isn't in the wrong place.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'll come up with a Fourseen case after I ISO the smaller wagons (like I think I said I was going to do) and see if my vote isn't in the wrong place.

Warning - if your case doesn't involve content other than 'This is a terrible post' don't bother. Fourseen is a terrible, terrible player. Provide scum intent behind terrible posts in your case please.

[Magister Ludi]

I actually thought that was how the void ability worked initially as well, before clarifying with the mod. I feel that Ghostlin, if he is in fact scum, may have as asked for clarification from buddies. hmm.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I want to review Kdub’s assertions about Wazz’s NoPoint stance from post 896.

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EBWOP: Also, I find it perpetually interesting instead of going 'what did you mean by this?' and assuming that I'm might've been confused by the role PM you went 'lol, scummy!'

Welcome to the variant Curse of the Burden of Proficiency … I know you aren’t a moron so when you post things that don’t make any sense I’m going to look at them with a more sceptical eye.

If anything at this point

901

looks to me like you’ve resigned to your fate.

If it’s from Scum I’d also gather it might be a last second effort at weak-linking yourself to me for possible later use in a case by your Partners.

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The run-up of Ghostlin to 7 and furc to 4 in such a short time is troublesome.

So you are troubled by the explosion of votes when deadline for Day 1 is under 2 RL days away?

Yes … this is a lurker slot posting “He look how Pro-Town I am with my concern” content. Scummy.

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I will have very limited access for the next two days as I've just moved, and the internet is not set up in my new place yet, but I will read and catch up as and when I have access.

This slot is for bullets if we have any Town driven NKs tonight.

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And Magna, if you think calling people town is buddying them, you've got to change your head. Forming a strong block of pro-town players is what damages scum in any game. Mutual town reads are a very strong pro-town force. Also,

Are you saying I shouldn't be no longer calling you scum?

As for your question, I initially expressed suspicion of you back in my rather longish post, maybe page 10 or so.

Make no mistake Magister – I understand how it is mutually beneficial for Town players to work with other Town players. I’ve been involved in / formed Voting Blocks. I was a member of the Town in BTTF Mafia that rolled the scum in two lynches due to that fact.

You aren’t teaching me anything. The fact remains – you gave me a vague scum read early on (the Page 10 or whatever you are referring to), said nothing significant about your read on me until the point where you called me Townie McTownpants, in effect. Add in that I’m suspicious of your slot (as expressed many times this Day) and your sudden (that’s how I perceive it, anyway) shift is why I label it as possible Buddying.

The bolded is a loaded question – if anything I’d like explanation of why you have a Town read on me given the only discussion of your read so far was your ‘He’s scummy’ Page 10 (or wherever) post.

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This is a misrep on Ghostlin's part.

Even after stating, "Stinger's claim means he absolutely shouldn't be shot or lynched, unfortunately" MoI later votes Stringer, though later in the same post he moves his vote back to Ghostlin.

No, it isn’t a misrep by Ghostlin. As I explained to Wazzatron the Stringer vote at the top of the page was intended to be an Unvote. My posting before that vote should clearly show that I didn’t support his lynch after Stringer’s claim for Role reasons.

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[Ghostlin]

About #901: It depends on how you define the word 'resigned', MoI. I acknowledge that for a mislynch, my death and lack of power would in fact tell a lot about town. The last posts have been interesting. Anyone who has any reluctance about my lynch has been derided as possible scum, scummy motives, etc, by you and your fellow wagoneers. Particularly your post in response to DGB insisting I was town to her. Instead of asking for reasoning, you go for 'oh, btw, if that's not a lynch Ghostlin, I'd be willing to switch off to DGB.'

Also, BoP is a fallacy. We're all stupid in special ways.

[Ghostlin]

Also, ML's last post reads to me that he's not convinced I'm scum, but he's going to continue to ride the wagon anyway.

[PeregrineV]

I actually can see the ghostlin suspicion, it does make sense to me; although I have a history of misreading ghostlin pretty badly.. going to talk to andy before I do anything drastic

Good way to say it.
Even though you see the suspicion, do you see Ghostlin as scum? If you are unsure, what percent would you put him likely scum/town?

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, you might not be scum, Ghostlin. I'm deciding if I still think you're more scum than not (vote on), or more town than not (vote moving).

[DrippingGoofball]

Ghostlin dropped a 5-ton town tell.

Choose another wagon, please.

[Junpei]

SO MANY PEOPLE ARE CLAIMING TODAY.

We would have been better off talking for 20 pages and then silently voting.

vote ghostlin

Untrackable via plan, and Furc/Fourseen don't seem to be dying today...

[Drunken Piper]

vote Furc

[Drunken Piper]

also let me sit still,
while someone explains to me the reason behind that vig kill?

(blech)