[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[2birds1stone]

If I'm reading this right: the root of the problem is that no one actually wants to play 1:n games?

[callforjudgement]

If I'm reading this right: the root of the problem is that no one actually wants to play 1:n games?

Pretty much. The problem is that scum have no incentive to do anything but play like a townie. (Whereas in 2:n games and higher, scum are also concerned with trying to keep their scumbuddies alive, and optimal scum play ends up not identical to optimal town play as a result.)

[BBmolla]

We Need A Fifth

1 Town Secret Double Voter
1 Townie
2 Mafia Goons

4p setup. Daystart. Nightless. Thoughts?
If the townie is lynched, Double Voter becomes a normal townie.

Edit: Realized Townie has everyone confirmed scum. Edited a little.

[animorpherv1]

If any town is lynched, Mafia win.

It's essentially LYLO on Day 1.

[BBmolla]

If any town is lynched, Mafia win.

It's essentially LYLO on Day 1.

I'm well aware. Not LYLO in a 4p setup with 2 maf is impossible. I just wanted to be ridiculous and see if I could make a 2v2 work somehow.

[Whiskers]

Unforgivably Small Open

1 Mafia Goon
1 Double-Voting Townie
_______


Actually, this makes me think of another, more reasonable 3p.

1 Mafia Goon (50% Lover)
1 Vanilla Townie (50% chance hidden Lover)
1 Vanilla Townie

Goon knows if Lover, and knows who is lover with. Townies don't know if Lovers or not.
If Townie Lover is lynched, Town wins.

I know this is still just 1 vs 2, but what do you think?

[BBmolla]

Unforgivably Small Open 1 Mafia Goon 1 Double-Voting Townie

Now you're just trolling me <_<

2 Townies
2 Mafia

Daystart, nightless. If a townie is lynched d1, he does not get lynched and is instead given a one-shot dayvig.

If he shoots the other townie, town loses.
If he shoots mafia, it goes into a normal 1v2 game.

?

I don't even know if this technically mafia lol.

So yeah, town gets a ML I guess. D2 becomes lylo with a clear.

Let's see...

Spoiler: LIST

Mafia1 lynched d1, Town1 lynched d2. - Scum win.
Mafia1 lynched d1, Town2 lynched d2. - Scum win.
Mafia1 lynched d1, Mafia2 lynched d2 - Town win
Mafia2 lynched d1, Town1 lynched d2. - Scum win.
Mafia2 lynched d1, Town2 lynched d2. - Scum win.
Mafia2 lynched d1, Mafia1 lynched d2 - Town win
Town1 lynched d1, Mafia1 shot d2, Town2 lynched d2 - Scum win.
Town1 lynched d1, Mafia1 shot d2, Mafia2 lynched d2 - Town win.
Town2 lynched d1, Mafia1 shot d2, Town1 lynched d2 - Scum win.
Town2 lynched d1, Mafia1 shot d2, Mafia2 lynched d2 - Town win.
Town1 lynched d1, Mafia2 shot d2, Town2 lynched d2 - Scum win.
Town1 lynched d1, Mafia2 shot d2, Mafia1 lynched d2 - Town win.
Town2 lynched d1, Mafia2 shot d2, Town1 lynched d2 - Scum win.
Town2 lynched d1, Mafia2 shot d2, Mafia1 lynched d2 - Town win.

So scumsided unless I'm missing something.
3:4
57% scum win.

Eh. According to this, lynching town is actually better. Would it be better if first town lynched is given one-shot no matter what?

FINAL WE NEED A FIFTH

2 Townies
2 Mafia

Daystart, nightless. If a townie is lynched, he does not get lynched and is instead given a one-shot dayvig. This only occurs once.

If he shoots the other townie, town loses.
If he shoots mafia, it goes into a normal 1v2 game.

This should be 50% EV.

[Whiskers]

Unforgivably Small Open 1 Mafia Goon 1 Double-Voting Townie

Now you're just trolling me <_<

Whiskers Excellent Mafia:

1 Fool


Or,

Whiskers Sad Fool Mafia:

1 Voteless Fool


BAH, I want to run Sad Fool now...

[animorpherv1]

Neither of those are mafia, and this isn't the thread for joke setups. We have a MD thread somewhere for that.

[Whiskers]

That is hardly a joke setup.

[animorpherv1]

It's not a setup, period.

[Whiskers]

...


...I'll concede that.

[Junpei]

Animor, I would have to believe that Whiskers was merely joking, and I'm sure did not mean to cause you all the trouble they clearly have. Animor what is your favorite role, and we'll ask Whiskers to make a setup for you with it included, as a way to make friends.

[Mist Beauty]

[izakthegoomba]

Wut?

[Whiskers]

He likes Themed Kill-roles, if I understand correctly.

[animorpherv1]

He likes Themed Kill-roles, if I understand correctly.

Pretty much.

[Cobblerfone]

FINAL WE NEED A FIFTH

2 Townies
2 Mafia

Daystart, nightless. If a townie is lynched, he does not get lynched and is instead given a one-shot dayvig. This only occurs once.

If he shoots the other townie, town loses.
If he shoots mafia, it goes into a normal 1v2 game.

That sounds interesting. Though it might need to be tested in marathon next week.

Nom: We Need a Fifth

[Junpei]

...Mafia could just force an NL by never voting...

[izakthegoomba]

...as could town...

[Cobblerfone]

Make it plurality at deadline then. And in case of a tie the first wagon to obtain the tieing number is lynched. "

Vote: No Lynch

" or anything other than a player of the game will not be counted as a valid vote.

[izakthegoomba]

Well, it has a 50% EV. I agree that you should test it in marathon first.

[animorpherv1]

...Mafia could just force an NL by never voting...

We could make the setup a must lynch...

[izakthegoomba]

RTFT

[BBmolla]

I think must lynch was implied, but not specifically stated. So yes, mustlynch.