Open 354: Twin Trap in Morecambe (Concluded)


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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:23 pm

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Adc75 wrote:Can you clarify if you think I'm being scummy, or are just referring to scum in general?
OMGUS is not a scum tell so no, that is not scummy. And about bandwagoning, I don't think a case can be BUILT on that, rather bandwagoning is stronger when added on to a case that is already made.

Adc75 wrote:I like that you're not ready to call anyone town yet.
Okay? And are you saying that's scummy, pro-town or null?
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:28 pm

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It means I like it.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:45 pm

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I see questions, folks. But have time just for few remarks. I'll get back on that.
@ Thomas

OMSUS in not scumtell when only in RVS, or at the end of stagnating day when no one reaches the quorum. Click ----> OMGUS

Bandwagoning when admitting the rightfulness of someone's case is not called a bandwagoning. Jumping on a someone's case is a good thing in general. Bandwagon
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:03 am

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VOTECOUNT 1.5


Trevor
: Thomas
(L-4)

}|{opa (2)
: Guy_Named_Riggs, [J]
(L-3)

[J]
: daftnarwhal
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don_johnson
: }|{opa
(L-4)

Adc75
: Trevor
(L-4)

Thomas
: don_johnson
(L-4)


Not voting
: Sampson, Adc75

V/LA
: [J] (Nov 13)

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2011-11-25 04:36:09)

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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:23 am

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Hello
Sorry for needing a prod. Didn't realize it was a while since I had posted.

I'd really hate to say it, but I don't really have a scum read on anyone. It's pretty much all null reads. I do think narwhal is scum though
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:23 am

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EBWOP:
That should be "narwhal is TOWN though"
I was thinking about other stuff, including who could be scum?, so I wrote scum instead of town
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:38 am

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Guy_Named_Riggs wrote:EBWOP:
That should be "narwhal is TOWN though"
I was thinking about other stuff, including who could be scum?, so I wrote scum instead of town


Slip of the tongue aside, why do you think Narwhal is town?
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:41 pm

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@ don_johnson
Spoiler:
you said you voted because i was "passive". now, if you "were watching for some time, and when i feel that you scummy enough i made a probe vote." in other words, something happened between my original "passive" post, and your vote on me that made up your mind to vote me. you are not being clear on what that something was. the above post is the only post i made in between those two events. so if it wasn't the above post, then what was it?
...
are you implying that i was sitewide lurking? or are you implying that i was lurking in this game? please clarify.

And what else I should be waiting more? Asaide from questioning on an obvious things (which were, to say, questioned before by others), you prefer not to do anything. You have made a post which clearly showed your intention to watch the game from a safe distance. I don't like when scum lurk until someone do something remarkable and then like "why this and why that, oh, i see, vote, unvote, repeat". I'm sick of it. The game was stagnating even without such a help. So what I did exactly was -- I just made this process faster.



@ Sampson

Spoiler:
I asked for clarification, did I? This
No, it's that I don't think your case is rooted in logic.

We have already heard. Where is exactly you think my case was "illogical" and why?
You're also putting far too much stock into an RVS vote.

Not at all. My suspicion is based on my suspicion of don_johnson and on this post Post #104 of yours. Besides, I find it slightly scummy as of itself. It looks like a provocation from the posotion where you yourself are staying on the side watching from a safe distance. There you didn't seriously accused anyone only redircted pre-existed attention. And I see how don_johnson was getting benefit out of it, which makes my suspicions worst . You have mentioned the simple fact how don_johnson did not noticed that was L-1. This fact was noticeble for a long period of time, yet no one of players had jumped on it. Therefore, it made no harm to your partner, more so, it was good for distancing.
As for the side tells. I have an RVS and the fact that you missed my request to call me Jora. Usually it works well, the "WTF DJ" thing happend few posts later. This is to say I literally feel how
you just skipped my posts
.


@ Trevor
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Trevor wrote:I think voting Opa was well-reasoned at the time. Don's realization and admission of putting Opa at l-1 was a towny move.


What exactly was towny in that? Putting someone at L-1 with OMGUS reasoning that early is a crime. We was 1 vote away from a disaster.

Let's watch this once more:
don_johnson wrote:
brilliant.


unvote, vote: opa


cause that was the dumbest post i think i have ever seen.
first off, there seems to be some accusation about me not doing anything. seeing as how there is not very much if anything at all to comment on besides your wierd vote switch and narwahl's behavior, i don't see how that is relevant. second, do not talk about ongoing games. both you and J should know this. third, J saying "hey dude, say something," and me offering a perfectly reasonable response is hardly "sympathizing".
i'm not sure what "reactions" you were looking for, but mine was absolutely no different than anyone elses.
so yeah. if you want to hang yourself with terrible logic. be my guest.

The legend:
being rude
,
being defensive, OMGUSish

As we see, the rest, aside from OMGUS and emotions, was:
"i'm not sure what "reactions" you were looking for, but mine was absolutely no different than anyone elses."
It is not a reasoning at all. It is an unspoken question: "what did you found, Jora?".
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:57 pm

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@opa, all of those reasons are bad. Putting someone at l-1 isn't bad, as no one should hammer quickly and someone will most likely unvote. Rudeness is from your perspective and does not indicate an alignment. Everyone gets defensive when attacked. omgusing with reason is fine.

Your attack on don is bad.

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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:03 pm

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I think narwhal is town because the way he's been questioning and posting, makes me think town. Also somewhat of a gut read
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:34 pm

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Guy_Named_Riggs wrote:I think narwhal is town because the way he's been questioning and posting, makes me think town. Also somewhat of a gut read


Can you direct the town to the posts that make you feel like Narwhal's town?
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:01 pm

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opa wrote:
Spoiler:
I asked for clarification, did I? This
No, it's that I don't think your case is rooted in logic.

We have already heard. Where is exactly you think my case was "illogical" and why?

I had given the reason for that before you asked for clarification:

Anyway, aside from that, I don't understand the foundation of opa's case on DJ. Asking for explanations for others' behavior is contributing, since it gives multiple perspectives/more information for the town to work with. I don't think it's hypocritical at all for DJ to ask that, which seems to be what opa is getting at in Post 79.

This is in addition to equally bizarre reasoning such as assuming all old players are aggressive (everyone's playstyle is different), or accusing DJ of "shitting the thread with misrepresentation," when you're the one using obviously negative language without any reasoning to back it up (see your points 3 and 5 of #106--why is that post "amazing and brilliant?" If DJ's misreppinig is so obvious, why not bother to give reasoning for that statement? It should be easy, after all.) And it's not OMGUS if you give reasoning for your vote.

You're also putting far too much stock into an RVS vote.

Not at all. My suspicion is based on my suspicion of don_johnson and on this post Post #104 of yours. Besides, I find it slightly scummy as of itself. It looks like a provocation from the posotion where you yourself are staying on the side watching from a safe distance. There you didn't seriously accused anyone only redircted pre-existed attention. And I see how don_johnson was getting benefit out of it, which makes my suspicions worst . You have mentioned the simple fact how don_johnson did not noticed that was L-1. This fact was noticeble for a long period of time, yet no one of players had jumped on it. Therefore, it made no harm to your partner, more so, it was good for distancing.
As for the side tells. I have an RVS and the fact that you missed my request to call me Jora. Usually it works well, the "WTF DJ" thing happend few posts later. This is to say I literally feel how
you just skipped my posts
.

I was addressing your last point in your response to me (post #107), in which you cited the RVS vote as one of the reasons you thought I was DJ's scumpartner (or not? Your winking emoticon didn't make it clear how serious you were...). Honestly, I find very little value in analyzing RVS votes. In addition, seeing as I find points 2, 3, 4 , and 5 of #106 to be illogical, #1, in which you state you dislike DJ's RVS vote, is the only point left.

I mentioned the L-1 thing precisely because no one had brought it up at that point. Like I said, I found it odd, and I wanted to bring it to the town's attention.

I read your request to be called Jora. At the time, I thought you were only addressing DJ. I haven't addressed you directly by username since that post.

And I didn't seriously accuse anyone? I was accusing Adc of active lurking. I was accusing you of having an illogical case. I was accusing DJ of not reading the thread completely.
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:04 am

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Trevor wrote:omgusing with reason is fine.

Why did I made all that facny colors? What exact phrase did you count for a reasoning?

Sampson wrote:when you're the one using obviously negative language without any reasoning to back it up

Sampson wrote:And it's not OMGUS if you give reasoning for your vote.

Is that so? See the spoiler for Trevor.
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:59 am

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not sure what you are getting at with the trevor spoiler, but the few words you have in yellow are unreadable on my computer.

opa wrote:Putting someone at L-1 with OMGUS reasoning that early is a crime.


the reasoning was that
your
reasoning made no sense to me. saying we were "one vote away from disaster" is being awfully dramatic. feeding us the "dangers of a quickhammer" is fearmongering. i wasn't the only one who voted you in that stretch. you completely ignored two players with your "gambit", and you still have yet to fully distinguish between reactions involved.

jora wrote:It is an unspoken question: "what did you found, Jora?".


so what? what is wrong with that question? it is perfectly reasonable for me to ask "what did you find?" when you say "hey guys, i found something scummy and i'm going to vote." its common sense to ask such questions. when you act like there is something unique about one thing, and it is not obvious to others, and you fail to explain it, you
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:05 am

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@ Sampson About misrepresentation, if you can't see it I will point you straight: almost 100% of a previous post: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3579384 (see explanation below)

He just repeating his mantra about how I voted him because of wrong reaction. There was another reason behind my vote!

@ don_johnson, Trevor

don_johnson wrote:"one vote away from disaster" is being awfully dramatic. feeding us the "dangers of a quickhammer" is fearmongering. i wasn't the only one who voted you in that stretch. you completely ignored two players with your "gambit", and you still have yet to fully distinguish between reactions involved.

Maybe somwehre in a perfect world of your imagination it is so:
Trevor wrote:Putting someone at l-1 isn't bad, as no one should hammer quickly and someone will most likely unvote.

But in the world where I live, is often happens exactly this:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11&t=16396
http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewtopic.php?t=6893
http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewtopic.php?t=10461
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11&t=18221
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11&t=17245
It's not hard at all... shall i continuse the list? Or just tell you how it typically works?
"a townie quick hammered another townie on D(1-2) and sealed his fate since it was really scummy, just not done by scum..." ----> scumwin
"scum managed to quicklynch a townie just four pages into day one. Despite my best efforts I couldn't get the player lynched on day two and another townie fell instead...." ----> scumwin

don_johnson wrote:1)so what? what is wrong with that question? it is perfectly reasonable for me to ask "what did you find?" 2)when you say "hey guys, i found something scummy and i'm going to vote." its common sense to ask such questions. 3)when you act like there is something unique about one thing, and it is not obvious to others, and you fail to explain it, you may get voted. i know, right? shocker.

1)misrep - I didn't said it wrong. I said it is not a reason to put me L-1.
2)misrep - I told WHAT exactly i found to be scummy (namely passive play style popularization) and that has nothing to do with your reaction in my hunting game.
3)multimisrep, just a fucking misrep strike! - a)well, somehow Adc insantly got the thing right, did you amazed by this fact? b) I did not "fail to explain", I had explained perfectly, just one damn thing at a time = i got initial scumread on you for "advocating", I got townread on narwahl for his reaction. Please separate those two things or shut your misrepresenting mouth.
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:34 am

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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:59 am

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opa wrote:1)misrep - I didn't said it wrong. I said it is not a reason to put me L-1.


meh. and i didn't think me saying "hey lets get these two unexplained votes explained before i comment further" a good reason to vote me at all. i didn't intend to put you at L-1, i just didn't retract the vote when i realized it. and guess what, your fear of quickhammer is unfounded. linking to games where it happened doesn't mean its going to happen here, and it also doesn't mean town is going to lose. thats fear mongering.

opa wrote:2)misrep - I told WHAT exactly i found to be scummy (namely passive play style popularization) and that has nothing to do with your reaction in my hunting game.


your explanation was not clear. english is not your first language, have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, what you are writing is not able to be understood in the way you want it to be? your post was ambiuguous, and when i asked for clarification, you ignored my request.

jopa wrote:3)multimisrep, just a fucking misrep strike! - a)well, somehow Adc insantly got the thing right, did you amazed by this fact? b) I did not "fail to explain", I had explained perfectly, just one damn thing at a time = i got initial scumread on you for "advocating", I got townread on narwahl for his reaction. Please separate those two things or
shut your misrepresenting mouth
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"advocating" is again only your opinion of my previous post. imo, i was honestly responding to a request for participation. i bolded the part of your post which is unnecessary and hurtful. i'm not sure why you are so riled up about this exchange, you don't even seem to entertain the idea that you could be wrong here. that kind of tunneling is anti-town. your "gambit" failed to take into account two players, and was therefore incomplete in the information it returned. your argument that "passivity" is scummy, but town loses because of it does not make sense. the idea that i somehow "advocated" passivity by being passive, makes no sense. if i was passive, then that should be a towntell according to your logic. if i was "advocating" passivity, then i wouldn't have asked for the two unexplained votes to be explained. by asking for those explanations, i was being proactive, not passive. so whatevz.

unvote, vote: opa


this excessive tunneling is ridiculous. your inability to look at this thread objectively only further convinces me that you are scum and that your attack on me was oppurtunistic.
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:39 am

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i bolded the part of your post which is unnecessary and hurtful. i'm not sure why you are so riled up about this exchange, you don't even seem to entertain the idea that you could be wrong here. that kind of tunneling is anti-town.

You are fucking hypocrite. You first get tunneled on me, my first vote post was just a probe. It is your not very pro-town reaction which is keeping me to hold vote on you. And
I nicely asked you to call me Jora
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your "gambit" failed to take into account two players, and was therefore incomplete in the information it returned.

I had commented this. I decided that it was pointless to wait for those 2 players, and I got all the information I needed.

your argument that "passivity" is scummy, but town loses because of it does not make sense. the idea that i somehow "advocated" passivity by being passive, makes no sense. if i was passive, then that should be a towntell according to your logic.

This is only your retarded misinterpretation. What's your problem? You stupid or what? Go, see any of newbie game threads. The passive play when it cames from expirienced players, especially taken with comments like "nah, there is nothing to comment, bye" is pro-scum, because it stimulates others to act in the same way.

by asking for those explanations, i was being proactive, not passive. so whatevz.

I commented on this too. Go read (Post #132) why it is not so much of a pro-active.

this excessive tunneling is ridiculous. your inability to look at this thread objectively only further convinces me that you are scum and that your attack on me was oppurtunistic.

I wait for [J] and GNR to comment on this situation. I do not get tunelled yet. You such a hypocrite! My excessive comments on the case is caused by you. You get tunneled on me, all we know this. Stop asking stupid questions and misreping my case. Give others a chance to ask if they want.
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:57 am

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i asked for clarification, you ignored my request.


WHERE DAMN IT? You had voted me instantly. And after that, I answered all the crap you asked.
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:07 am

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your fear of quickhammer is unfounded. linking to games where it happened doesn't mean its going to happen here, and it also doesn't mean town is going to lose. thats fear mongering.


One can prove that lying as town would fine by using the same stupid argument, you dumpster.
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:17 am

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don_johnson wrote:just noticed that's L-1. noone hammer please. if anyone wants to threaten and noone wants to get off, i would suggest a claim.
its early, but you're "A-ha!" gambit deserves it imo. ;)


Here it is. You ask for a quickhammer! Scum. Now try and tell me how this was pro-town. And I get tunelled on you for no reason.
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:34 am

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}|{opa wrote:
i bolded the part of your post which is unnecessary and hurtful. i'm not sure why you are so riled up about this exchange, you don't even seem to entertain the idea that you could be wrong here. that kind of tunneling is anti-town.

You are fucking hypocrite. You first get tunneled on me, my first vote post was just a probe. It is your not very pro-town reaction which is keeping me to hold vote on you. And
I nicely asked you to call me Jora
, for I-don't-know-how-much-times in past! FUCK YOU!


i didn't "tunnel". i asked for an explanation of your "gambit" vote. you responded by now tunneling on me. what was not "pro-town" about my reaction? i asked you reasonable questions like "what was differnt about my reaction than the others reactions which made you vote me over them?" then you said "it wasn't your reaction, its your advocacy of passivcity". so why didn't you vote me when i allegedly "advocated passivity"? so sorry opa. fucking me is not an option.


opa wrote:
your "gambit" failed to take into account two players, and was therefore incomplete in the information it returned.

I had commented this. I decided that it was pointless to wait for those 2 players, and I got all the information I needed.


ah yes. you do realize that by not waiting for those 2 players, you are in fact "advocating passivity"? by not leaving your unexplained vote in the air, you cheapen the results generated by your gambit. tbh, looking back, it seems that you were more afraid of being lynched, so instead of continuing with your lame bandwagon unreasoned vote, you decided to pretend it was a gambit. a townie shouldn't be so uncomfortable at L-1. but you were so uncomfortable tyhat you decided to cut your gambit short instead of waiting for two players who were standing on the sidelines being "passive".

opa wrote:
your argument that "passivity" is scummy, but town loses because of it does not make sense. the idea that i somehow "advocated" passivity by being passive, makes no sense. if i was passive, then that should be a towntell according to your logic.

This is only your retarded misinterpretation. What's your problem? You stupid or what? Go, see any of newbie game threads. The passive play when it cames from expirienced players, especially taken with comments like "nah, there is nothing to comment, bye" is pro-scum, because it stimulates others to act in the same way.


this is not the newbie forum. if you want to use newbie strategy, go play with the fuckin newbs. i was passive for 3 or 4 pages. as soon as there was something worthwhile to comment on, i commented on it. keep flinging those insults, opa. they seem to be the backbone of your case. ;)

opa wrote:
by asking for those explanations, i was being proactive, not passive. so whatevz.

I commented on this too. Go read (Post #132) why it is not so much of a pro-active.


please explain this again. i can't find it in your previous post. as far as i can tell, your argument is "by asking those questions, dj is sitting on the sidelines until someone does something scummy." ok. even if we accept that theory of passivity being a scumtell, you employed the exact same strategy. you posted an unexplained bandwagon vote. then... you waited on the sidelines until someone did something. then you attacked that something. coincidentally, you attacked someone for putting you at L-1. by not waiting for 2 players to react to your vote "gambit" you not only shortchanged information you could have used to better scumhunt, you shortchanged the entire town from getting more info as to the alignments of the two inactive players. great job. you arte scummy by your own logic. the only difference between you and me from a logical standpoint is that "allegedly" laid out an unexplained bandwagon vote to "bait" someone so you could attack. imo, your behavior is way more in tune with scum behavior than mine as you describe it. if you are meaning something else, or if i am misunderstanding your 132, just let me know.


opa wrote:
this excessive tunneling is ridiculous. your inability to look at this thread objectively only further convinces me that you are scum and that your attack on me was oppurtunistic.

I wait for [J] and GNR to comment on this situation. I do not get tunelled yet. You such a hypocrite! My excessive comments on the case is caused by you. You get tunneled on me, all we know this. Stop asking stupid questions and misreping my case. Give others a chance to ask if they want.


everyone else is free to do whatever they want. acting as though i am somehow suppressing others activity is misrep. i have done no such thing. blaming me for this war of words is also misrep. you are equally, if not more, culpable.

opa wrote:WHERE DAMN IT? You had voted me instantly. And after that, I answered all the crap you asked.


your very next post. you know the one:

i asked-
dj wrote:1) at the time of my initial post which sparked your vote on me, "can you also please advise me as to what other topics of discussion i could have touched on while waiting for yours and narwahl's explanations. was there anything else of particular interest that i should have noticed and/or commented on?(from post 88)"

2) "please qualify the differences between Adc's reaction to your vote, J's reaction to your vote, Riggs' reaction to your vote, and my reaction. you may want to include narwahl's as well."(from post 87)



which you ignored. then, when i restated them in the format you see above, your answers were:

opa wrote:1)
I have nothing to advise, think for yourself.

You should have been more active if you wanted to gain some trust. Don't tell me that it was hard. You were passive, and more so, you told others that it was an Ok thing. So, I voted you. I repeat, you have yourself to thank for that. You were scummy. And your OMGUSish reaction not helping at all.

2) Again. This is not related with my reasons for voting you. All I have to say is that you were wrong when you said about an equal reaction. I can tell the theory behind my hunting. By no means it is the only correct. It is just my belief. Here it is. The time for experiment was good: RVS stuck. Every one were looking for oportunities to say something. Of course, scums are less interested in that, but they should make new posts too. The only difference is the motivation. Scums already know who is who. Hence, if they find some noticeable thing, which can give them some townpoints, they hardly to ignore it. On the other hand, townie should interpret new phenomenon using his previously collected knowledge. So if he gained some strong tells before, or if he simply tunneled on someone, then he may just ignore new thing. This is to say, I have a townread on daftnarwhal. Now piss off, DJ.


the question (1) was me asking you to provide things you wanted me to comment on or things you think i should have commented on. you provided zero points of interest. you couldn't suggest a single thing for me to have commented on. in other words: you didn't answer the question. you avoided it by saying "i have nothing to advis, think for yourself." the only player you mention in these answers is narwahl who you claim a townread on.

the question (2) was me asking you to compare the reactions of the players to your gambit. instead of comparing the reactions, you stated that the reactions had nothing to do with your vote. which then begs the question: why did you vote? to which you provide the answer of "..."

in a later post , you then state that the reason for your vote on me was "advocating passivity". which then begs the question: "why didn't you vote me when i supposedly "advocated passivity"? the chain of events is misleading. here they are from what i can tell:

i post. (you claim this post is advocating passivity. but you don't say so in the thread. you do nothing.
you make an unreasoned bandwagon vote.
two players react. you get voted(most liekly pressure votes to encourage you to answer the question.)
i say(without voting you), i would like the two unexplained votes to be explained and then i will comment.
you vote me(after my question. you say this:

opa wrote:My unsubstantial vote was made for the sake of reaction hunting.


^^ this is the statement which have never qualified. in other words, would you have had a town read on me if i had posted:

hypothetical dj post wrote:
vote: opa
for making an unreasoned bandwagon vote.


?? is that a townie post to make on page 3(4 or whatever it was)? i have asked you to produce something that i could have commented on at that point in the game. so far, i haven't seen an answer.

p-edit:

}|{opa wrote:
your fear of quickhammer is unfounded. linking to games where it happened doesn't mean its going to happen here, and it also doesn't mean town is going to lose. thats fear mongering.


One can prove that lying as town would fine by using the same stupid argument, you dumpster.


i don't follow you. there are situations where a town lie is a good lie.

}|{opa wrote:
don_johnson wrote:just noticed that's L-1. noone hammer please. if anyone wants to threaten and noone wants to get off, i would suggest a claim.
its early, but you're "A-ha!" gambit deserves it imo. ;)


Here it is. You ask for a quickhammer! Scum. Now try and tell me how this was pro-town. And I get tunelled on you for no reason.


no. asking for a quickhammer would be saying "i don't care if someone hammers." saying "noone hammer please," is the opposite of asking for a quickhammer. maybe you need to learn english better?
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:48 am

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Adc, why do you ask for reasons I'm town? Do you think it's a scumtell on GNR's part?
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:29 pm

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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:43 pm

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jora: change your username to jora. your username is opa. so i type opa. i am not going to add the symbols as that is a pain in the butt. you refer to me as "DJ", so i am not sure why this offends you. but whatevz. if you don't like it, then you can replace out. you've been harassing me since your vote. i have tried to play nice and you keep sending jabs my way and refusing to even entertain the idea that i could be town aligned. so yeah. good luck with that.
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