Animal Rescue: petsPick (Game Over!)

[jasonT1981]

He has been defending Glowball non stop
Glowball has not mentioned or even referenced him.

I had the two of them as scum day 1... I see this as a connection to further my read on them both as scum.

[zoraster]

Spoiler: Buddies

Day 2

Amrun ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Cogito Ergo Sum ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Ghostlin ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

glowball ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

JasonT1981 ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Kublai Khan ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Llamarble ( 5 )

Sotty7,

Amrun,

JasonT1981,

Ghostlin,

VP Baltar,

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(L - 3 )

Quilford ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Sotty7 ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Untrod Tripod ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Vi ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

VP Baltar ( 1 )

Llamarble,

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(L - 7 )

xvart ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

Not Voting ( 9 )

Quilford, Untrod Tripod, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Kublai Khan, glowball, Vi, Roxi, Cogito Ergo Sum, xvart,

Total Votes ( 15 )

Needed to Lynch [ 8 ]

Deadline: Nov. 28th at 20:00 EST

[glowball]

He has been defending Glowball non stop
Glowball has not mentioned or even referenced him.

I had the two of them as scum day 1... I see this as a connection to further my read on them both as scum.

Exactly, JasonT you are looking for reasons to add to both of us being scum. It's confirmation bias.

[Llamarble]

If I'm getting lynched today, it won't be because people think I'm scum with Glowball. Ha.
She's pretty clearly town, and even more clearly not my buddy.

Why my wagon is scummy:
{
People are right that my lynch was lined up incredibly hard for today.
And then even though I made a significant chunk of my posts in twilight (I might even go so far as to say that I Towned) nobody seems to have updated their reads off of that.
That says to me scum want to cash in on D1 suspicion of me as opposed to townies reading my full posting and thinking it comes from scum.

Also hardly anyone has actually ascribed scum motive to pretty much anything I've done, so far as I can recall.
It's all just "llama's badposting." Now that I actually have time to play again I want to see what those votes do.
}

VPB is probably town.
"Something in my role suggests X is lying" usually comes from town.

This D1 read of VPB happened because his towntells are surface-tells whereas his scumtells are slightly closer to the hardware.

[glowball]

Nah, I'm not sure about lynching Llamarble. He's at L-3!!! That was quick, scum is on that.

VOTE: JasonT

[jasonT1981]

He has been defending Glowball non stop
Glowball has not mentioned or even referenced him.

I had the two of them as scum day 1... I see this as a connection to further my read on them both as scum.

Exactly, JasonT you are looking for reasons to add to both of us being scum. It's confirmation bias.

thats how you look for scum, you make connections between people.

[glowball]

He has been defending Glowball non stop
Glowball has not mentioned or even referenced him.

I had the two of them as scum day 1... I see this as a connection to further my read on them both as scum.

Exactly, JasonT you are looking for reasons to add to both of us being scum. It's confirmation bias.

thats how you look for scum, you make connections between people.

Except you aren't looking anywhere else.. You already think we're both scum so when I write something you are waiting to find ANYTHING scummy about it- obv by the weak "connection" Llam and I have.

[Llamarble]

He has been defending Glowball non stop
Glowball has not mentioned or even referenced him.

I had the two of them as scum day 1... I see this as a connection to further my read on them both as scum.

Exactly, JasonT you are looking for reasons to add to both of us being scum. It's confirmation bias.

thats how you look for scum, you make connections between people.

Finding connections is all well and good, but Glowball and I are one of the more obvious NON-scumbuddy pairings in the game right now.
Jason getting offended at the notion that I've been thinking more deeply about this game than he has is a pretty town sentiment though.

[Ghostlin]

He has been defending Glowball non stop
Glowball has not mentioned or even referenced him.

I had the two of them as scum day 1... I see this as a connection to further my read on them both as scum.

Ok, but how is glowball scum/town by Llam's scum/town position? You make it sound like scum buddy each other all the time, while I'll be blunt here, it's frequently not the case.

[Vi]

Hm...

I'll drink this Kool-Aid and see what happens.

Vote: VP Baltar

(L-6)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Vote: VP

[xvart]

@xvart - if you had been around at the end of the day yesterday, would you have still had your vote on Quilford?

Most likely, yes. I was having a hard time processing the cat/dog vig thing as town but I certainly didn't think it was a scum role. I was still trying to dig around some of the MD threads to find where I thought I had seen some alternate role commentary on SK abilities. After the night hit I was able to find this lyncher relevant alternative wincon/abilities but nothing about SKers like I originally thought.

Jason

re: 482 - who do you suggest we lynch first within the connection?

I hate it when I agree with a wagon but the reasoning/people on the wagon are flawed. JasonT is making no sense which is making it hard for me to get behind this wagon.

Why do you agree with the wagon yet disagree with everyone else on the wagon? What is it about it that makes you

want

to support it?

[jasonT1981]

Except you aren't looking anywhere else.

. You already think we're both scum so when I write something you are waiting to find ANYTHING scummy about it- obv by the weak "connection" Llam and I have.

Oh really??

Yea, I am now quite happy there is a connection between Glowball/Llamarable. I had both as scum yesterday.

I still want to take a look at Ghostlin also today.

vote: Llamarable.

Don't agree with Sotty about tripod being a good vote, I have him as town.

Cogito is someone also I believe should be looked at today.

[jasonT1981]

You are making it look like I am only looking at you and LLam, when I have other suspects.. . Your over defensive is noted and interersting.

[glowball]

I hate it when I agree with a wagon but the reasoning/people on the wagon are flawed. JasonT is making no sense which is making it hard for me to get behind this wagon.

Why do you agree with the wagon yet disagree with everyone else on the wagon? What is it about it that makes you

want

to support it?

Llamarble has been pretty scummy, but after re reading it could just be the hard pushes for him that make him seem that way. I need to really sit down and look at all of it, I just get on alert when the arguments to call someone scum involve me being scum as well when I know that's not true.

Except you aren't looking anywhere else.

. You already think we're both scum so when I write something you are waiting to find ANYTHING scummy about it- obv by the weak "connection" Llam and I have.

Oh really??

Yea, I am now quite happy there is a connection between Glowball/Llamarable. I had both as scum yesterday.

I still want to take a look at Ghostlin also today.

vote: Llamarable.

Don't agree with Sotty about tripod being a good vote, I have him as town.

Cogito is someone also I believe should be looked at today.

Saying it and doing it are two different things. Thanks, though...

[Kublai Khan]

He has been defending Glowball non stop
Glowball has not mentioned or even referenced him.

I've gotten scum in newb-games by noticing a similar pattern, but it's usually mutual avoidance and it needs to take place over a longer period of time.

I may have started late, but I already have the third highest post count in the thread.

Yeah, spamming the thread in twilight will do that.

A question for you:

And 'oh man I'll own the VI label!' can be read as "YES! AN EXCUSE TO BE ANTI-TOWN."

Glowball is town.

The idea is town tend to be more offended when called VIs whereas scum welcome it as a way to get away with more / be harder to lynch.

Contradiction?

[Llamarble]

Yes, more or less.
I pointed out an aspect of Glowball's play that I think is usually a scumtell.
Then I said that she was town.

Basically I thought the rest of her play outweighed that consideration, which while not very major as tells go was something I noticed so I decided to point it out.
I have a very low "is this worthy of posting" threshold for things I notice that are easy to express even if the implication is counter to my actual opinion.

[Quilford]

Hello!

I'm a Census Taker and I used my power last night to reveal the setup's faction distribution. Should I reveal it, or is there some hidden downside that I'm missing?

Also I'm not really sure who to vote at the moment, I'll get back to everyone on that in a little while.

[Vi]

Hello!

I'm a Census Taker and I used my power last night to reveal the setup's faction distribution. Should I reveal it, or is there some hidden downside that I'm missing?

Also I'm not really sure who to vote at the moment, I'll get back to everyone on that in a little while.

If there's ever a hidden downside to revealing Census Taker results, I don't know what it is.

[Quilford]

Okay cool.

The results are unsurprising but significant considering there was only one kill last night: 4 mafia, 1 third party, 10 town

[Vi]

Five scum in a 16-player game, nya... That distribution may change things a bit.

Also, thanks for claiming Town.

[Vi]

That distribution may change things a bit.

Or not. :/

My current vote is fairly decent anyway.

[Sotty7]

Llama is already so much better today. I like his VP pressure a lot.

Unvote

Exactly, JasonT you are looking for reasons to add to both of us being scum. It's confirmation bias.

Talk me thought what you mean when you say "confirmation bias".

thats how you look for scum, you make connections between people.

When you've had a scum flip sure. You're missing a step here.

Vi and Quil are town. Amrun as well. This is good.

Not sure who I like for scum the most right now. I need to do more re-reading.

[Quilford]

VOTE: Ghostlin

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The main downside to claiming Census Taker results is probably having to claim Census Taker, so yeah.

Not sure who I like for scum the most right now.

VP