Mini 1270 - Stargate SG-1 Mafia

[Fennin]

It means it was totally unexpected. And right now, I don't have any solid read on you. I'm just thinking that your name claim was maybe done to trigger some other name claims and that seems fishy. Some names could maybe be a little bit too obvious of someone's role/alignment. But since it's my first theme game, I'm not sure how it really works.

[smargaret]

Votecount 1.2

1. PeregrineV - 1 (Christine)
2. Felmix - 1 (4nxi3ty)
3. Timeater - 2 (PeregrineV, [Redacted])
4. Workdawg - 0
5. Ravel - 0
6. Vala Mal Doran - 2 (jerobbo, Felmix)
7. Christine - 0
8. malthusis - 0
9. [Redacted] - 2 (Fennin, Vala Mal Doran)
10. Fennin - 1 (Timeater)
11. 4nxi3ty - 1 (Workdawg)
12. jerobbo - 0
13. Citizen Karne - 0

Not Voting - 3 (Ravel, malthusis, Citizen Karne)

[Redacted]

Timeaters random claim is pretty suspcious imo because it doesn't make sense; he just claimed to be the leader of the main characters, he's basically asking for a bullet and/or people to discuss claims (is roles are randomized or if roles fit flavour; which is a really hard discussion to have without people letting something slip).

He's now using it as town cred, trying to lead the discussion and is trying to bully other people into name claiming.

Bullocks to that; I say he's scum trying to run with a fake claim.

[Fennin]

Timeaters random claim is pretty suspcious imo because it doesn't make sense; he just claimed to be the leader of the main characters, he's basically asking for a bullet and/or people to discuss claims (is roles are randomized or if roles fit flavour; which is a really hard discussion to have without people letting something slip).

He's now using it as town cred, trying to lead the discussion and is trying to bully other people into name claiming.

Bullocks to that; I say he's scum trying to run with a fake claim.

Well, his name claim doesn't tell us if he is town/scum (If roles/characters are randomized, then a good character from the show could be scum and vice/versa ...) but it's fishy.
But so far, only Vara gave him town cred for doing so. The only positive aspect I see, like Ravel, is that we didn't stay in the RVS for too long. I'm not going to complain about it.

Now I don't think everyone is going to name claim just because Timeater did it.

[jerobbo]

Couple of big assumptions here, but..

I'm gonna assume that good characters from the show are all Town. And I'm also going to assume that Colonel Mitchell as one of the main characters is definitely in the game. No-one has yet come out and said that they are actually Mitchell as well, so right now I'm inclined to believe Timeater and mark him down as Town for now.

And it has got the discussion going, so it's all good I guess.

[4nxi3ty]

Timeaters random claim is pretty suspcious imo because it doesn't make sense; he just claimed to be the leader of the main characters, he's basically asking for a bullet and/or people to discuss claims (is roles are randomized or if roles fit flavour; which is a really hard discussion to have without people letting something slip).

He's now using it as town cred, trying to lead the discussion and is trying to bully other people into name claiming.

Bullocks to that; I say he's scum trying to run with a fake claim.

As wifomy as it is too speculate wether or not an early nameclaim comes from town or scum, this is very good analysis.

Here is the why I am leaning more towards time eater being scum:

Vote: Felmix

also we have just skipped RVS ;p

hows that

nameclaim: colonel cameron mitchell

rvs is over

vote fennin

These posts read to me like "oh shit RVS is over, I need to come up with something meaningful to say quick"

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only good thing this does is get a conversation going and I applaud Timeater for that. RVS kinda bores me, so a name claim is kinda interesting. Although I don't see it as town or scummy. It's null to me.

I wouldn't mind a name claim actually, even if fake claims exist.

This post is very non-commital and as such I am going to have to force you to take a stance.

unvote, vote: Ravel

[Ravel]

A stance on what? I already said that I don't mind a name claim at all since I doubt it's cut and dry whether a certain name claim is scum or town.

As for Timeater name claiming, I am not changing my stance on that being a null tell.

[Fennin]

@4nxi3ty : Shouldn't you vote for Timeater instead of Ravel, if you think he leans more towards scum than town? I don't know if a vote is going to force someone to take a stance. There is so little content right now that I don't even see how he could take a stance. It's too early.

[4nxi3ty]

@4nxi3ty : Shouldn't you vote for Timeater instead of Ravel, if you think he leans more towards scum than town? I don't know if a vote is going to force someone to take a stance. There is so little content right now that I don't even see how he could take a stance. It's too early.

Not neccesarily. I feel like there is sufficient pressure on Timeater for the time being, I would much rather focus my attention elsewhere given that a lot of people are already scrutinizing him; it would be a redundant waste of resources.

[PeregrineV]

Couple of big assumptions here, but..

I'm gonna assume that good characters from the show are all Town. And I'm also going to assume that Colonel Mitchell as one of the main characters is definitely in the game. No-one has yet come out and said that they are actually Mitchell as well, so right now I'm inclined to believe Timeater and mark him down as Town for now.

And it has got the discussion going, so it's all good I guess.

This would actually make the game breakable by flavor, which is not generally how the games are designed. It seems like you are encouraging that mindset for whatever reasons, when chances are it's not the case.

Unvote.
Vote:Jerobbo

[Fennin]

This would actually make the game breakable by flavor, which is not generally how the games are designed. It seems like you are encouraging that mindset for whatever reasons, when chances are it's not the case.

Could you please explain how flavor could break the game and how these kind of games are generally designed? After a quick glance at the finished mini theme games, it seems that the alignments are the same as the characters from these movies/series/books/games/etc .... I didn't check them all out of course. But I don't see how it could break this game, unless we all name claim. Hence why I'm against it.

[Timeater]

Timeaters random claim is pretty suspcious imo because it doesn't make sense; he just claimed to be the leader of the main characters, he's basically asking for a bullet and/or people to discuss claims (is roles are randomized or if roles fit flavour; which is a really hard discussion to have without people letting something slip).

He's now using it as town cred, trying to lead the discussion and is trying to bully other people into name claiming.

Bullocks to that; I say he's scum trying to run with a fake claim.

Errors (scumreads) with this post:

1. "Pretty suspicious because it doesn't make sense" - completely ignoring the fact I did it to break RVS. How does that not make sense?

2. "Basically asking for a bullet" - Interesting thing to say.

3. "/or people to discuss claims? - Stating the obvious, fluff.

4. "Using it as town cred" - I haven't actually done this. I just nameclaimed and examined the fallout. Point out exactly to where I "I said and did this so I"m town"

Vote: Redacted

[Workdawg]

This would actually make the game breakable by flavor, which is not generally how the games are designed. It seems like you are encouraging that mindset for whatever reasons, when chances are it's not the case.

Could you please explain how flavor could break the game and how these kind of games are generally designed? After a quick glance at the finished mini theme games, it seems that the alignments are the same as the characters from these movies/series/books/games/etc .... I didn't check them all out of course. But I don't see how it could break this game, unless we all name claim. Hence why I'm against it.

I'm interested in this as well. I would assume that being a "good guy" would mean you're town aligned... based on show content, etc. What's the point in a theme game if you don't have that relationship?

Also, sorry for my low content thus far. I ended up in a SWTOR load test this weekend, so all free time is dedicated to that. It ends tonight, so expect content tomorrow.

[jerobbo]

As others have said PeregrineV, can you explain? Surely the main good characters are going to be Town aligned otherwise whats the point of a theme game?

and 'Breakable by flavor'? What does that even mean? It's the mod that adds flavour with descriptions and they aren't going to break their own game..

[Redacted]

Breakable by flavour means that if the mod just made all the good guys in the show town then the game would be broken open by everyone simply name claiming and then lynching the people who aren't obviously the good guys.

Mods tend to solve this by two ways mainly;

A) Randomize aligment - A persons aligment on the show doesn't mean anything about their aligment in the game.

B) Fake claims - The mod tells the scumteam some characters from the show they didn't use so that if a name claim happens the scum knows what they can claims without risking outting themselves.

[Redacted]

Timeaters random claim is pretty suspcious imo because it doesn't make sense; he just claimed to be the leader of the main characters, he's basically asking for a bullet and/or people to discuss claims (is roles are randomized or if roles fit flavour; which is a really hard discussion to have without people letting something slip).

He's now using it as town cred, trying to lead the discussion and is trying to bully other people into name claiming.

Bullocks to that; I say he's scum trying to run with a fake claim.

Errors (scumreads) with this post:

1. "Pretty suspicious because it doesn't make sense" - completely ignoring the fact I did it to break RVS. How does that not make sense?

2. "Basically asking for a bullet" - Interesting thing to say.

3. "/or people to discuss claims? - Stating the obvious, fluff.

4. "Using it as town cred" - I haven't actually done this. I just nameclaimed and examined the fallout. Point out exactly to where I "I said and did this so I"m town"

Vote: Redacted

Flail more scum, also way to somehow miss the part about you bullying other people into name claims.

Was it too hard to try to brush it away like the rest?

[jerobbo]

But nobody knows whether a name claim is correct and true, so that doesn't really break the game?

[Redacted]

But nobody knows whether a name claim is correct and true, so that doesn't really break the game?

Sure it does.

Step 1: Mass name claim.
Step 2: Pick the least town sounding person on there, lynch them.
Step 3: Repeat step 2.

Game over, town wins.

But wait you say!

The scum could lie about who they are!

Step 1: Watch two people claim Jack O'Neil
Step 2: Lynch one of them.
Step 3: If step 2 didn't give you a dead scum then lynch the other.

Game over, town wins.

[jerobbo]

Makes sense I guess. Just seems weird to have a game based on a theme but then randomly assign the characters alignment. Makes your B option seem better to me but it's my first theme game so I'm no expert.

[Timeater]

Flail more scum, also way to somehow miss the part about you bullying other people into name claims.

Was it too hard to try to brush it away like the rest?

lol wtf, obvscum detected

Arbitrary use of "flail more scum" (lol why exactly should I be flailing - I have what, one real vote on me? Am I being pressured into a claim? Is a huge wagon building on me? No, no, and no.) Saying this sounds like filler attack, because he has nothing of substance to say. Filler equals scum.

Have I ever bullied people into nameclaims? No. Misrep much? Anyone else seeing this?

Brush it away like the rest? Guy is just shitting out of his mouth at this point and he knows it.

100% REDACTED IS SCUM

[Timeater]

Anxiety is probably scum too as nothing he said in

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3583658

made any real sense. Says Redacted's garbage post was "very good analysis" - makes an error by quoting one of the first things I said before the nameclaim, asking WHY rvs was over (hint: he never answered). Also completely fails to recognize why I voted for fennin.

After all that nonsensical nonsense, he says he didnt vote for me for uhhh "questionable" reason:

Not neccesarily. I feel like there is sufficient pressure on Timeater for the time being, I would much rather focus my attention elsewhere given that a lot of people are already scrutinizing him; it would be a redundant waste of resources.

umm wat?

[4nxi3ty]

^your being overly hostile for day 1 play...

Can i get the Town and Scum reads that you have so far?

[Timeater]

OVERLY HOSTILE ME?

META ME GARBAGE KID

I JUST SAID I THOUGHT REDACTED AND YOU ARE SCUM

ANSWER FOR YOUR GARBAGE POSTS FIRST THEN WE'LL TALK

[4nxi3ty]

why did you Vote for Fennin?

[Timeater]

So you're gonna play the VI card eh. Okay good to know.

Why? Because he said RVS was still active after I so blatantly ended it.