↑ SodaSpirit17 wrote:I'd rather be a dinosaur chicken nugget over scum/town tbqh. Those things are legit!
I don't understand how you would rather be in the gray area rather than being clearly town. That seems very odd to me.
If you really took this post seriously then lol.
SS17 wrote:No real thoughts as of yet. Played with Furc before he was terribad scum once, however I don't see his lynch going through because of the ellipses, but that was a little bit all, but I agree with whoever said that isn't a scum-tell if they post ellipsis' because I do the same thing whether scum or not.
This seems like terrible fence sitting to me. Well, that's mostly dependent upon what he means by "that was a little bit all." I'm assuming here that "all" actually was supposed to be "odd." In which case, he's saying "This isn't a reason to lynch someone, but it's really weird, but don't do it, and I do it as both scum and town." There's no real stance here.
You're correct. It was supposed to be odd. And I don't think that people should be lynched over something that happened pregame
Time to pressure some people. I'm like 95.7% sure I found scum on page 1. Post 1.
What is the point of putting a pressure vote on someone when you call it a pressure vote? Because I would think it would void the pressure simply because it's not an actual intent to lynch. Again, this seems like an attempt to fence sit. That way, if the Per lynch had gone through and he flipped town, SS would have easily been able to say "oh, my vote was just for pressure, I didn't actually think he was scum."
Putting a vote on someone at the beginning doesn't mean you think they're scum. It means that you'd like to toy around with that person and see if they falter.
Keep this in mind for a bit.
Next post, Sleepy votes SS. SS responds with "Why?" which Sleepy (correctly) states "RVS is over." Once Implosion jumps on the wagon, SS unvotes, saying "oh, well the Furc wagon's legit apparently, but I thought it was an RVS vote too." Well, ok, I can kinda understand that, but the heatedness (is that even a word?) of the debate at the time should have made it apparent to everyone that it wasn't really an RVS vote. This is all within 6 posts of each other. Seems like scared scum to me.
Meh. I didn't fancy the fact of being lynched in the first 10 minutes of the game just because of my awful first-post
↑ SodaSpirit17 wrote:eb4p: cool I'm getting jumped and I just started. Life is GREAT!
This is the quote that really made me think that SS was town. Ongoing game, so I can't comment further, but this makes me think town.
made? what changed it? was this the sole purpose of you thinking I was town?
↑ SodaSpirit17 wrote:Well? Most 'keyword most' of the people haven't posted enough info to gather much info. The only things eventful that happened were Furcowgon, Grimmjow saying he would quit if Pine was scum, and now this wagon. None of the former 2 were scum-tells.
Someone else posted this, but I felt it was necessary to repost it. He's saying only 3 things happened in the game at this point, the last of which was his wagon. He then says that the other two weren't scum-tells. This implies he thinks the third IS a scum wagon, which could indicate guilt.
My wagon was obviously not RVS unlike the other two.
↑ SodaSpirit17 wrote:I hate it when people say someone's a liability, we're all one town, everybody should have a say in everything, and everyone should listen,
but not act accordingly necessarily.
Can you clarify what you mean here, especially the bolded part?
They should acknowledge what everyone has to say, but they shouldn't always follow along with what someone says.
In
post 149 he says that the Triangle vote was horrible, that Llama's flip-floping is null, but usually a scum-tell (fence sitting again, and
why is it null for Llama if it's
usually
a scum-tell?
) and then finally throws down his first real vote on Sleepy, which seems like nothing more than a blatant belated OMGUS vote. He called Triangle's vote on me bad, and then throws down an equally bad vote. Something isn't right here.
i'll reply to these posts in a separate post. too lazy to do it all in one.
This post bugs me as well. He says that Yates feels wrong to him, but votes Triangle (who we know was scum) based on "Triangle voted Yates right after Llama FoS'd Yates." His was the second vote on the wagon just after FoN unvoted, which was pretty even with a couple of other wagons.
Filler, filler, filler
States reads on Uphill-town, Implosion-unlikely-scum, Yates-more-likely-town.
Post 493 he gets VERY defensive over Pine being called scum by Sleepy for a bullshit "claim" that never really happened. This could be seen as town defending town, as I have a strong town read on Pine as well, which I'm more inclined to believe after having gone through this much of his ISO.
Then, almost 100 posts later...
↑ SodaSpirit17 wrote:hmm... Pine was one of my foses as well, not sure if I made that public, but I think I did.
Hey, remember that post I told you to keep in mind way back at the beginning of this ISO thingie? Yeah. Also, I put the url up there for others to go back and look at it in context.
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Everything about this post bothers me. He fence sits, says that he wants to hear more of Yates, says Uproar (Uphill?) has done well and then says:
↑ SodaSpirit17 wrote:
I had a really bad feeling about implosion, but I never really pursued trying to lynch him thankfully.
I CANNOT understand this statement from a town mind-set. If you're town and you have a bad feeling about someone, pursue it. Either they will crumble under pressure, or they will be able to defend themselves adequately. I have never been in a situation in which I was on the wagon for a town mislynch that I honestly felt bad about, because I felt like the person lynched was scum. But it's the second part of this statement that bugs me the most. He said he was glad he didn't pursue his lynch. Keeping in mind that if I feel like someone may be scum, I intend to put pressure on them. If my feelings change, then I unvote. Otherwise, I keep my vote on them.
If I read this from a scum-mindset, I can totally understand this, however. It sounds like he was glad he didn't bring attention to himself. That's what I'm getting from this entire thing. Not that he's glad he didn't put pressure down because implosion was town, but because he didn't want the attention. At least, that's how I feel about this statement.
Filler, filler, filler.
He was just one of those eh players that was playing scummy, but wasn't that big of a concern.
Post 871
FoN is at L-2, but doesn't want to vote him because of quickhammer (totally understand that, but the day had LITERALLY just started) and says he wants a claim. Wait, didn't SS vote Sleepy because Sleepy wanted a claim at L-3 on him?
Technically my vote was on him, it's just I didn't want to place him at -1 and have someone quick hammer.
Next, he says he's suspicious of Yates again because of the quickhammer. He's flip flopped on Yates a LOT, hasn't he. This brings back to mind when he said that FoN's flip-flopping was usually a scum-tell but not in FoN's case. Well, flip-flopping is usually a scum-tell.
Another post that bugs me. He says worst-case is that FoN's not lynched, another townie is lynched, and FoN gets shot during Night for being a PR. He then goes on to say that worst-case isn't all that bad. But it is. Because we lose not only a townie, but two townies, one of which is a PR. So yes, yes it is bad. This also kinda sounds like role-fishing, or could be coaching his buddy into claiming a PR (which is not very likely, imo, as everyone in FoN is a seasoned player (as far as we know) and this would just be dumb).
He continues to state that "I'm going to vote you/I'm willing to vote you/consider my vote on you." Not bad scum tactic as this would prevent him from being on the actual wagon if FoN flipped town and he could say "Oh, well, I wasn't actually on the wagon, so my suspicion was less than that of those on the wagon."
Sounds like setting up mislynches.
Scum: 7.5/10
