Open 354: Twin Trap in Morecambe (Concluded)

[Jora]

Nothing is really happened. Later!

P.S. Just a reminder. 7 days left before the deadline.

[Johhog]

VOTECOUNT 1.8

Jora

: Guy_Named_Riggs

(L-4)

[J] (3)

: daftnarwhal, Sampson, Adc75

(L-2)

Adc75

: [J]

(L-4)

Sampson (2)

: JonWJ007, Jora

(L-3)

Not voting

: don_johnson, Thomas

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2011-11-25 04:36:09)

Replacing [J], who failed to pick up his prod.

[Adc75]

UNVOTE: J

Since he's been replaced, I'd like to at least give the replacement some time to focus on looking for scum rather than having to come right in and defend him/herself right from the start. My vote might come back to this slot if I don't like what I see from the replacement.

VOTE: GNR

All you seem to be worried about is how you look to the rest of town. Also, that FoS on Daft just reeks. Maybe if you gave some insight to your reads with some good reasoning you'd be worth keeping around, but as it stands you're just screaming scum.

[don_johnson]

@DJ: What don't you like about my case on J?

no time right now, but i will look at it later tongith and explain.

Jora: whose your second choice?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

@adc
What posts do you see where I am trying to look town? I don't need to try

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: GNR

why not?

[Johhog]

kuribo replaces also vla for a couple of days sorry

[Thomas]

I call people town based on gut, not so much of seeing posts as town, but rather, I don't see posts that are scummy

Gut reads don't help and town reads don't either. Give more scum reads. In post #134 I see that you said "I think narwhal is town because the way he's been questioning and posting, makes me think town. Also somewhat of a gut read" but now it's only a gut read? Can you explain this more because right now I feel that you are saying all your town reads are gut reads as defense because you have been caught having a town read on someone with little reasoning. Unless you're scum I don't see how you could have a town read so early in the game and don't post gut reads, they don't help. Once Adc75 wanted you to show everyone these posts that apparently gave you a town read on daftnarwhal, you then contradicted yourself and said that the read was based only on gut. That's odd...

[kuribo]

LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED

[Thomas]

Welcome kuribo! I would like to hear your thoughts on things so far.

[kuribo]

easy on 'er, dude, i gotta read the game first

[Thomas]

Alright. For a moment I thought you replaced in but then you were gonna be V/LA for a while but I guess it's the mod who will be V/LA.

[kuribo]

nah, i don't do V/LA

if i ever did go V/LA in a game, they'd probably lynch me for playing against my town meta

[Jora]

Jora: whose your second choice?

I don't know who is my second choice. Maybe Tomas or Narwahl, but I can't prefer one over another. I hope it would be of no use, anyways.

[kuribo]

okay, time to catch up and find out what you people were doing before i came along to break the game for the town

[kuribo]

I tend to post things as I re-read, so just bear with me.

[kuribo]

lets get this show on the road, i got ALOT of badly played LyLo's to make up for!

What have I done to deserve "the least dangerous" title?

Let's see, Thomas is less dangerous than I in terms that there are less people who suspect him. A little contradictory, are we?

Why were you so paranoid this early on? "No! Don't vote me, vote HIM!"

I'm here.

Vote: Trevor

For having a townread on me then voting me.

What is this crap? His "townread" was obviously a joke. His vote on you was to get you to come into the thread and actually (gasp) play Mafia. I know it's a bit much to ask, but.

UNVOTE:

interesting, you know who tends to get worried about leaving random votes on people, especially when they're in no danger? i'll give you a hint, their win condition rarely involves eliminating threats to the town

[J] is town
admitting to a mistake I think is town.

J was town, but this looks like blatant buddying because the "mistake" he admitted to had no bearing on the game.

haha. obviously the latter. i'm out for a night of drinking. i'll read this from the start tomorrow in the AM. was kind of waiting for this to grow a few pages before jumping in.

for some reason i keep thinking i once replaced you in a game

VOTE: Opa

That vote post just requires a vote.

oooh, look, is this scum piling onto a quick wagon?

VOTE: [J]

if Opa is scum, this is pretty clear counterbussing

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okay, i'm 1/3 of the way through this. if any of you people have some issue with anything i've commented on, save it until i'm done

[kuribo]

Well nothing real substantial but those first few posts between you and GNR seemed off. Your comments seemed weird to me. I know that's not a lot to go by, but the interaction seemed a lot like J trying to distance himself from GNR a bit while buddying him a little, so I found that odd.

it seems odd because that's a stupid, meaningless statement. "oh, well, he was distancing while buddying." that's like saying he painted something black while painting it yellow.

My unsubstantial vote was made for the sake of reaction hunting.

yeah, bullcrap. scum use this as an excuse all the time.

VOTE: Don Johnson

I believe we've found our first scum, girls and boys.

well, no, quicklynching is stupid, but not necessarily scummy.

What a weird stream of consciousness! Huh. I'll try to reply, anyways. Sorry for delay, though. It's rather hard for me because English is not my 1st langusege.
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Don't worry I have a simple question for your entertainment which made me laught every time I see an overdefensive scum's textwalls:

Why are you desperately burn the candle at both ends trying to prove to me that your good townie, while have a vote on me? If you think that i'm scum, you shouldn't be worried so much.

this is patently ridiculous, because wordy does not = scum

in fact, this post looks like classic paranoid scum overreaction

unvote

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vote:adc

That's the second time you've bandwagoned on a vote.

I like this vote. ADC needs more hate.

Trevor, bandwagons are good. Only reckless are bad. The question therefore is: do feel no reasons for voting me or DJ? Why?

Hmmm... trying to derail some of the attention from ADC? If bandwagons are "good," why are you opposed to one on ADC?

FoS: Trevor

So why didn't the first one bother you?

Why an FOS? Why not a vote? Why such a stupid goddamn question? How do you not see why someone would be alarmed at you being on two bandwagons, but not on one?

don_johnson, I don't find our conversation to be useful for town.

all conversation is useful to the town. "no no, let's stop talking!"

Yes. Your conversation is clogging the thread with pointless posts.

I don't get any pro-town vibes from Trevor right now so my vote will remain for the time being.

man, you're really gonna hate playing with me, then.

and why aren't you getting pro-town vibes from Trevor? Why not explain why?

Wait, bandwagoning is not a bad thing! How else the town could nail a scum? No one someone should be accused for doing it. The only thing that matters is motivation. I think both recent votes by Adc75 were good reasoned. Well, one may think that I saying this just for gain support to my case on DJ. Fair enough. At least the 1st Adc's non-RVS one, i.e. vote on me, was good mitivated, trust me on that.

bandwagoning ISN'T a bad thing, but it's because you can analyze the wagon

and from my analysis of the wagon ADC just piled right onto the second one with a lame, bullshit reason

Why are you mentioned [J] here? I thought it was only me who told about an ongoing game. It kinda looks strange, bro.

what? Joropa, this is ridiculous, and it looks even stranger that you would question him on it

I don't understand the foundation of opa's case on DJ.

Step by step, why do I suspecting him:
1. I don't like his RVS vote. Delilah? Too complicated IMO. But that is nothing compared to what he've done next.
2. He was too passive. Taking into account that he's the oldest player on site here, and we have rerlatively large number of newbies/lowposters I find this:
to be serious crime against this town.
3. This post was truly amaizing and briliant: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3569153
4. OMGUS vote as of itself is a scumtell, besides he almost hammered me. Without any good reason.
5. He blatantly shitting the thread with misrepresentation of my case, instead of being constructive.

please, for the love of god, don't make me explain why i find this post idiotic

Why do I said this? You discredited both of me and Adc in the same post.

why do you care what he does to ADC?

now you have, yes. oh. except why you voted me. can you reiterate that please?


wtf are you talking about? i clearly stated that i planned on posting. my activity level varies from game to game. just bvecause i was "passive" for three pages does not make me an "advocate". it makes me "passive", which according to your own logic, is a towntell.


its a biblical reference. its only complicated if you are a moron.


since when is honesty a crime? also, as of post 99, thomas had two posts. and you saw him viewing the thread. and yet instead of waiting for his "reaction", you voted me for passivity. why the double standard when it comes to thomas?


FUCK YOU. i have been polite. i have asked questions. i have responded. it's not my problem that english is your second language.

oh hells yeah, now we're getting to the good shit. i live for hate! call him a moron again!

No. It says }|{opa. Sitewide rules are applied, so be nice or GTFO.

so wait, you're threatening him with rules because he's not being nice? fuck that. you're panicking at this point, because you know no one's seeing through your dumb case.

Does anyone else get a town vs. town vibe as this little spat plays out?

UNVOTE: DJ

We need something in this thread other than butt-hurt.

no. no, i don't at all, scum

I like that you're not ready to call anyone town yet.

this right here amounts to "hay lurkers are an easy mislynch, and i can get my buddy to stop arguing with town!"

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man was that really only two pages? i do like the fact that you guys are raging at one another. an angry town is a successful town.

[kuribo]

It means I like it.

what a smug little non answer for shame. that's a bad scum, that's a very bad scum. where's my rolled up newspaper? i gotta smack this scum on the nose.

I'd really hate to say it, but I don't really have a scum read on anyone. It's pretty much all null reads. I do think narwhal is scum though

WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL IS THIS

"i don't think anyone is scum. everyone is middle of the road. narwhal is scum."

oh my god, if you two are scumbuddies together, my head will explode.

EBWOP:
That should be "narwhal is TOWN though"
I was thinking about other stuff, including who could be scum?, so I wrote scum instead of town

see, that just makes me consider even more the possibility that you two are scum buddies.

Can you direct the town to the posts that make you feel like Narwhal's town?

ah, and now ADC distances himself from obvscum. if he's their scum buddy, he's all "shit, these morons have just gotten caught. better make myself look good"

This is in addition to equally bizarre reasoning such as assuming all old players are aggressive

if he thinks these guys are aggressive, he hasn't seen anything yet

I wait for [J] and GNR to comment on this situation. I do not get tunelled yet. You such a hypocrite! My excessive comments on the case is caused by you. You get tunneled on me, all we know this. Stop asking stupid questions and misreping my case. Give others a chance to ask if they want.

awww look at him scumplaining

Here it is. You ask for a quickhammer! Scum. Now try and tell me how this was pro-town. And I get tunelled on you for no reason.

no he fucking didn't! he specifically asked for NOT A QUICKHAMMER. this post is disingenuous as fuck.

@ Mod, I ask force replacement of a player named don_johnson. He keep insulting me. I asked him to type my username correctly OR to call me Jora.

geez, look at this guy trying to get his #1 attacker kicked out of the game.

and for misspelling your user name?! really? REALLY? do you know how many god damn times i've been called "kurbio?"

(PS- you were insulting him too)

I change my mind, opa's last posts feel town. Adc is the best lynch today still.

agree about ADC, disagree about Joropa looking town for having a shitfit over being attacked. WELCOME TO MAFIA. IT IS A FUCKING GAME WHERE PEOPLE WILL CHALLENGE YOUR MOTIVES.

@J: You realize you have more scumreads than there are scum, right? You're basically saying you're willing to lynch half of the players here. That just doesn't sit well with me.

what the fuck is this shit? having a scumread does not necessarily imply wanting to lynch them right now. i, for example, tend to assume that everyone in the game is scum, unless role-confirmed to me, mod-confirmed, or dead. i work backwards from there.

You, my dear sir, are not watching the thread. Adc75 was the first who shared his thoughts on this situation.

well, i mean, his thoughts were crap and he was trying to help out his scum buddy. (you, you are his scum buddy)

All of you, Trevor, Sampson, daftnarwhal, Thomas are having less posts then our Mod. And this is bad. I don't like lurkers.

"I'M GOING TO STOP ATTACKING DONTOWN AND GO AFTER A LURKER" classic scum move

i think its prety normal to have a larger lynch pool than there are scum. especially on day 1.

jesus, don, if you get any more town, i might have to break out "too town to be town"

Are you serious? That attack is terrible. I had to reread it a couple times just to understand where the scum motivation was.

Unvote

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Vote: Sampson

Trevor's looking good too. Son, you keep this up and I might even let you bang my sister.

@everyone What do you think of J?

why? trying to test the water for a mislynch?

So, I say narwhal is town. How is that bad? I was simply stating what I thought at the time. However, the fact that I haven't seen a post from narwhal lately makes me think that he's coasting because some thinks he town

FoS Narwhal

better catch up will be made later, but I have so much homework to catch up on

You think he's town, but you FOS him? Or, rather, you get called out for thinking he's town for no reason, and THEN you FOS him? What the christ?

UNVOTE: J

Since he's been replaced, I'd like to at least give the replacement some time to focus on looking for scum rather than having to come right in and defend him/herself right from the start. My vote might come back to this slot if I don't like what I see from the replacement.

yeah, no point in keeping your vote on someone who's just gonna be replaced, right? may as well push a lynch that has a chance of going through.

@adc
What posts do you see where I am trying to look town? I don't need to try

oh, this post is abject bullshit

kuribo replaces also vla for a couple of days sorry

FUCK YEAH I LOVE THIS GUY

[kuribo]

OH


AND LEST I FORGET THE FUN PART

VOTE: ADC75

[Johhog]

I'm back already! Sorry for my rush post this morning but I had no internet and I only had 5 minutes at a computer. My internet came back surprisingly fast though.

If it wasn't clear: kuribo replaces [J] who failed to pick up his prod.

[Adc75]

Kuribo: I have a townread on your slot now. Much like my read on Jora, I doubt scum would come right out and call just about everyone in town scummy. Especially after replacing into the game in the middle of D1.

Perhaps I was a little bit suspicious in D1, but that's mainly because early on in the game there wasn't much to post about other than the DJ/Jora flame war. So I started throwing suspicions at the wall to see what stuck, and since only two players know I'm town, I'm not surpised you and a few other players found some of my actions scummy. However, I am pretty certain GNR is scum.

I do however find it odd that you think me calling out GNR as scum is valid, but voted me while wondering aloud if Daft is GNR's scum partner. We can't all be scum, there's only two players on the scumteam. Can you honestly say that my earlier actions in the game are more scummy than GNR's total lack of scumhunting and his blatant attempt to get as much towncred as possible?

[kuribo]

We can't all be scum, there's only two players on the scumteam.

on the contrary, i can absolutely assume every person in this town, aside from myself, to be possible scum until i figure out otherwise.

and, aside, i don't need to find the entire scumteam on day 1. i just need one scum, and i can find his (your) buddy the following day. until such time, it's my assumption that anyone could be your buddy

just because i think you're scum doesn't mean i'm closed to the suggestion of other scum combinations

[kuribo]

Can you honestly say that my earlier actions in the game are more scummy than GNR's total lack of scumhunting and his blatant attempt to get as much towncred as possible?

and it's not just your earlier actions in the game



aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this part about GNR is all "no, i'm not scum! try this guy!"

[Adc75]

No, I genuinely think he's scum. The fact that he immediately changed his read on Daft when I called him out only makes me believe it even more. It's okay that you think I'm scum, I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong. But I really am interested in what you think about GNR, since you've already told me what you think about me.