Abarat Mafia: Mini 1274 - Over

[Faraday]

real hammered* without a claim.

[Klazam]

whoa. nuclear wall.

so... you think hinduragi is scum and you also suspect DLG and timeater? ok. got it. That's pretty much all i got from your wall.

[Zang]

Who do you think random voted? I'd say it was dead halfway down the first page at the latest.

I'm honestly not sure.

Scum take advantage of what situation? I was online there was no risk to anyone quickhammering him, past L-1. No one would have hammered him without a claim. Why would ME supporting it make scum more likely to hammer? If someone else had put him at L-1, I'd have said 'well he was hammered' and there'd be no risk of further votes.

I agree but it's hypothetical so I would still like an answer even if it doesn't matter as well as answers to the two other reasons.

[Faraday]

Did you read #145?

[Indecision]

Faraday, I'd thought I'd remembered her voting you at first, but I just checked that game and you're right. I personally do find interacting with you helps my read on you, and since Goofbash I tend to start the game immediately treating you as scum until you prove otherwise, but I'll let Equinox explain herself.

Well, at least I buy your suspicions of us now. That's...a start, I guess. *sighs*

My saying this is self-serving, but I think Equinox has been trying to drive the game forward, is trying to get reactions, and has been willing to draw attention and heat to herself. I've been happy with our hydra so far. So I don't feel as though she's in any way to blame for our being wagoned right now.

This is annoying, because now I have to one-up my play from the game in which I was scum and tried very hard to sound as much as possible like my town self, just to prove I'm town here. Yes, I made an effort in the last game to banter with you naturally the same as I'm doing here. This time it's actually natural, but I can't prove it. Maybe I'll just stop posting and wait for Equinox to turn on her obvtown beams.

[Indecision]

i'm tired of teeheeing around your bullshit pre-planned vote that I don't think you'd do as town.

Wait a minute. WAIT A MINUTE.

Are you saying I wouldn't ever vote you immediately in the RVS as town?

[Faraday]

And I have no idea how they even could have, I judged it unlikely that they would and acted accordingly. I don't see a way for it to happen without netting a sure fire scumbag. (Oh I voted him even though I thought he was hammered because ____? That's the only viable way I can think it could have been excused and that's clearly BS. Don't you agree? )

[Faraday]

Are you saying I wouldn't ever vote you immediately in the RVS as town?

No. I'm saying I don't think Equinox would encourage a pre-planned vote like that given her beliefs on me as town. You've voted me in past games anyway, so why would I think that?

[Faraday]

How is the above question even genuine? How could you feasibly think I was saying 'you'd never 'rvs' me as town'?

[Indecision]

(Equinox)

No. I'm saying I don't think Equinox would encourage a pre-planned vote like that given her beliefs on me as town. You've voted me in past games anyway, so why would I think that?

Except I did encourage a pre-planned vote on you, so you're wrong. I distinctly remember voting you in 82.5, but if Mina says I didn't, then I guess I didn't. Let me ask you something, Faraday: If I've stated before that I don't think voting you helps in getting a read of you, then do you honestly think I'd turn around and vote you as scum and pretend that the conversation never happened?

Let me ask you something else, as well, Faraday. If, as town, you're convinced that player A is scum, and player B presents a case that's partially false, would you ignore player B's case in favor of pushing player A's lynch?

[Indecision]

EBWOP: ...player B presents a case

against player A

that's partially false, would you ignore

those points

in player B's case in favor of pushing player A's lynch?

[Faraday]

Well, at least I buy your suspicions of us now. That's...a start, I guess. *sighs*

Why are you 'sighing'? What does this even mean?

My saying this is self-serving, but I think Equinox has been trying to drive the game forward, is trying to get reactions, and has been willing to draw attention and heat to herself. I've been happy with our hydra so far. So I don't feel as though she's in any way to blame for our being wagoned right now.

I don't disagree with Equinox drawing attention to herself, but that's completely null for her. Where do you think she's tried to get reactions?

This is annoying, because now I have to one-up my play from the game in which I was scum and tried very hard to sound as much as possible like my town self, just to prove I'm town here. Yes, I made an effort in the last game to banter with you naturally the same as I'm doing here. This time it's actually natural, but I can't prove it. Maybe I'll just stop posting and wait for Equinox to turn on her obvtown beams.

But you look obvtown when you're town! Surely you'll keep posting and want to show me the error of my ways?

Oh, so who's scum (or town), what reads do you guys have? Most of your posts seem to be responding/interacting with me in some way.

[Indecision]

(Equinox)

Vote: kiwieagle

A summary of kiwieagle's thoughts:

> ignores everything else that's happened in the thread except Nachomamma8's deal and my vote of 4nxi3ty
> talks about something that literally did not happen
> latches on OMG SHINY BIG WAGON

and then she does a complete 360 on her reads after she realized people were starting to suspect her for the way she called 4nxi3ty scummy...

The only person who did this was 4nxi3ty himself, and it was to say that I was regurgitating Nachomamma8's case.

[Faraday]

Except I did encourage a pre-planned vote on you, so you're wrong. I distinctly remember voting you in 82.5, but if Mina says I didn't, then I guess I didn't. Let me ask you something, Faraday: If I've stated before that I don't think voting you helps in getting a read of you, then do you honestly think I'd turn around and vote you as scum and pretend that the conversation never happened?

Oh, well in that case I'll unvote. I mean I'd *hate* to be wrong. You didn't vote me, I remember the game. I remember the discussion we had.

Yes I do, I think it's quite likely you have forgotten the conversation, but I don't think you'd be unaware of a stance you believe, which was presumably in good faith since we were in a non game environment. Are you denying the conversation happened? So why the change in stance, why would it help here when it hasn't helped before?

[Faraday]

Let me ask you something else, as well, Faraday. If, as town, you're convinced that player A is scum, and player B presents a case that's partially false, would you ignore player B's case in favor of pushing player A's lynch?

It depends on the players involved, but yes, more often than not I'll ignore it and want player A dead.

[Faraday]

has the above happened this game? or are we asking ridiculous hypothetical questions? if so who are you talking about.

[Indecision]

(Equinox)

My personal reads: Hinduragi, Timeater, Nachomamma8,

Faraday,

* and 4nxi3ty are probably town, listed in decreasing order of power. kiwieagle's an opportunistic scumbag. I have yet to read Zang's wall, but I'll tackle it later when I'm less tired. Everyone else I either don't know or don't have a read. Willing to elaborate if asked, etc.

Considering you make up about a third of the thread at the moment, Faraday, I'm not surprised most of our interactions are with you.

EBWOP: I'm not denying the conversation happened. I just do whatever I think is a good idea, and voting you seemed like a good idea.

It depends on the players involved, but yes, more often than not I'll ignore it and want player A dead.

Links, Faraday. You know that I know how you play your scum games, and it actually does involve ignoring reasonable cases. There were a couple of things Hinduragi said in his wall to support his scum read of my head of the Indecision hydra that are false, and you

know

them to be false because I've had not one but several conversations with you about those aspects of my meta. You ignoring them and just pushing us for your lynch of the day is unsettling, to say the least.

has the above happened this game? or are we asking ridiculous hypothetical questions? if so who are you talking about.

Really?

Unvote, Vote: Faraday

[Timeater]

flailing hard ^

[Faraday]

EBWOP: I'm not denying the conversation happened. I just do whatever I think is a good idea, and voting you seemed like a good idea.

NO. this is fucking bullshit. this is a lie. you DON'T think it's a good idea. you CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK IT IS.

Indecision dies today. No one else. If they flip town vig me. lynch me. I don't give a fuck. equinox is blatantly saying things she doesn't fucking believe.

[Timeater]

claim now or die, inde

[Faraday]

Links, Faraday. You know that I know how you play your scum games, and it actually does involve ignoring reasonable cases. There were a couple of things Hinduragi said in his wall to support his scum read of my head of the Indecision hydra that are false, and you know them to be false because I've had not one but several conversations with you about those aspects of my meta. You ignoring them and just pushing us for your lynch of the day is unsettling, to say the least.

I don't even *NEED* links. Ask your hydra partner. Or is she going to blatantly lie about 'what's a good idea', off the top of my head I disagreed with a certain amount of empking's logic for voting LMP in test of faith but still pushed LMP hard day 1.

now. go die.

[Faraday]

and the fact you KNOW I think 99% of cases are complete bullshit and are trying to push this *ANYWAY*.

[Indecision]

(Equinox)

You want a 1:1, Faraday? Deal.

I thought it was a fucking good idea because I thought I could get a reaction out of you. It was the train of thought I had when I IMed Mina to tell her to go ahead and vote you. That's the truth, honest to God.

I can turn around and say the same thing to you: You're ignoring other people in favor of lynching us today. You didn't even realize Hinduragi's case was BS until I pointed it out to you. Gee, what does this behavior remind me of... Oh, yeah, Pick Your Power.

You're dying after us.

[Indecision]

Oh, for fuck's sake.

UNVOTE: Faraday

I don't care, I'm unvoting because I think Equinox's vote on Faraday is stupid. When he's scum, he just calls the person he's voting obvscum over again; he doesn't fly off the handle like this.

I think you're both tunneling like idiots on each other right now for abstract theory discussions you had in some chat log from some game from months ago.

Also, I refuse to claim before L-1.

~Mina

[Indecision]

(Equinox)

*grumble*

Vote: kiwieagle